The Challenge: War of The Worlds II - God Save the Queen

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Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

 

 

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast members don't get to decide for you. 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're not making any sense.

 

Tori has no right to say anything about winning when she isn’t a champion as well if that was a champion saying that I understand 

You'd be right if Tori was claiming she should have been the speaker for the team but she didn't say that.  Tori was dead on with her analysis.  Period.

not “Period.”, did you see that on a Facebook meme today 

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines was because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I had seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

Tori can't say **** because she has no title under her belt if you wanted to be the speaker so bad speak up or shut the f  up 

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

I've said multiple times that I like Jordan lmao. Only read a few lines from your dissertation. It's okay to disagree with me. Why the hostility? I'm defending my views on Kam and Tori. What are you doing other than trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong? This is all subjective anyway. Maybe you weren't impressed with Kam's elimination wins and vote rigging, but I was and I'm not sorry about it. If "Killa Kam" doesn't scare anyone then maybe they should go against her. On that note, when did I say she was someone to be afraid of competitively? I said she's done more than Tori, which is true. She's had more chances since she's appeared on more seasons but that still doesn't negate the fact that she has proven herself more. Do I think Kam is top tier? No, I don't. But I think she has it in her. A huge part of winning is having the belief that you can, which she does. I don't see that belief in Tori as much as I want to. I liked her on her first season. But she seems like more of a follower. Like early Paula and Sarah. 

And yes, teaming up with the three guys who were protected by production and encouraged to engage in various forms of debauchery during their stint, is playing it to me. Maybe not you, but that's how I see it. 

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

If Paulie, Leroy, Josh, Tori, Nany or anyone I'm forgetting that hasn't won anything on that stacked team would volunteer I'd say the same thing.

 

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

If Paulie, Leroy, Josh, Tori, Nany or anyone I'm forgetting that hasn't won anything on that stacked team would volunteer I'd say the same thing.

leroy isn’t going to be a leader anybody can speak up everybody on team u.s. has seen a final beside josh the insecurity and some of the cast .... if you wanted to lead speak up no that hard 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

I've said multiple times that I like Jordan lmao. Only read a few lines from your dissertation. It's okay to disagree with me. Why the hostility? I'm defending my views on Kam and Tori. What are you doing other than trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong? This is all subjective anyway. Maybe you weren't impressed with Kam's elimination wins and vote rigging, but I was and I'm not sorry about it. If "Killa Kam" doesn't scare anyone then maybe they should go against her. On that note, when did I say she was someone to be afraid of competitively? I said she's done more than Tori, which is true. She's had more chances since she's appeared on more seasons but that still doesn't negate the fact that she has proven herself more. Do I think Kam is top tier? No, I don't. But I think she has it in her. A huge part of winning is having the belief that you can, which she does. I don't see that belief in Tori as much as I want to. I liked her on her first season. But she seems like more of a follower. Like early Paula and Sarah. 

And yes, teaming up with the three guys who were protected by production and encouraged to engage in various forms of debauchery during their stint, is playing it to me. Maybe not you, but that's how I see it. 

Saying something doesn't make it true.  You completely change your point when logic is used and you realize your prior statement had no credibility.

In no universe can one say that Kam has clearly done more than Tori--they're clearly comparable to anyone unbiased.  Neither has truly done anything at all.  Since Tori's first season you saw her on a handful of episodes with a useless partner and 2 episodes this season..  Who is she following?  Kam's the one that literally stated she's going to follow people--see Paulie/Cara.  She said that.   

The entire objective to reach the final with an opportunity to win.  Paula, Sarah & Jenn played the game perfectly--you just disliked JEK (which is fine) so therefore you're incorrectly making general statements about people that aren't accurate.

Again, Tori said Kam has given herself countless nicknames (true) and hasn't won anything (true).  Where's the problem?   FACT & FACT.   

The inability of people to give Tori credit or acknowledge Kam's shortcoming is....there's no words.   I can't wait to we see them go head to head in an elimination when both have incentive to win.  Can't wait.

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

If Paulie, Leroy, Josh, Tori, Nany or anyone I'm forgetting that hasn't won anything on that stacked team would volunteer I'd say the same thing.

leroy isn’t going to be a leader anybody can speak up everybody on team u.s. has seen a final beside josh the insecurity and some of the cast .... if you wanted to lead speak up no that hard 

Again, Tori stated that Kam has won nothing and doesn't think she should be nominating herself.  Fact--she's won nothing which we shouldn't see anyone that hasn't won things nominate themesleves this early in the game when there's people more worthy.  The reality is--she should have sent in Jenny but played Kayleigh's game.

I like Kam though I think she's overconfident and that's going to constantly hurt her in these game but I can't stand her fans.  She's reaching Jenna-level at this point.

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

I've said multiple times that I like Jordan lmao. Only read a few lines from your dissertation. It's okay to disagree with me. Why the hostility? I'm defending my views on Kam and Tori. What are you doing other than trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong? This is all subjective anyway. Maybe you weren't impressed with Kam's elimination wins and vote rigging, but I was and I'm not sorry about it. If "Killa Kam" doesn't scare anyone then maybe they should go against her. On that note, when did I say she was someone to be afraid of competitively? I said she's done more than Tori, which is true. She's had more chances since she's appeared on more seasons but that still doesn't negate the fact that she has proven herself more. Do I think Kam is top tier? No, I don't. But I think she has it in her. A huge part of winning is having the belief that you can, which she does. I don't see that belief in Tori as much as I want to. I liked her on her first season. But she seems like more of a follower. Like early Paula and Sarah. 

And yes, teaming up with the three guys who were protected by production and encouraged to engage in various forms of debauchery during their stint, is playing it to me. Maybe not you, but that's how I see it. 

Saying something doesn't make it true.  You completely change your point when logic is used and you realize your prior statement had no credibility.

In no universe can one say that Kam has clearly done more than Tori--they're clearly comparable to anyone unbiased.  Neither has truly done anything at all.  Since Tori's first season you saw her on a handful of episodes with a useless partner and 2 episodes this season..  Who is she following?  Kam's the one that literally stated she's going to follow people--see Paulie/Cara.  She said that.   

The entire objective to reach the final with an opportunity to win.  Paula, Sarah & Jenn played the game perfectly--you just disliked JEK (which is fine) so therefore you're incorrectly making general statements about people that aren't accurate.

Again, Tori said Kam has given herself countless nicknames (true) and hasn't won anything (true).  Where's the problem?   FACT & FACT.   

The inability of people to give Tori credit or acknowledge Kam's shortcoming is....there's no words.   I can't wait to we see them go head to head in an elimination when both have incentive to win.  Can't wait.

Again, so much hostility lol. We can disagree on this without you pulling your hair out over it. This is why I took a break from vevmo. Some of you take this show too seriously lmao. I prefer Kam's gameplay to Tori's. Big deal. And now that you mention it, I would love to see them go head to head as well. Also the only time I "completely" changed my point was the thing about Derrick, which I later admitted was just a **** up on my part. Everything else I've stood by and will continue to do. And of course Kam and Tori are comparable. That's why I was pointblank comparing their gameplay in my replies lmao. Man, some people. 

Kam has accomplished more in her Challenge career than Tori. And I firmly believe she would beat her (again) in an elimination. Sorry you disagree. 

 

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

If Paulie, Leroy, Josh, Tori, Nany or anyone I'm forgetting that hasn't won anything on that stacked team would volunteer I'd say the same thing.

leroy isn’t going to be a leader anybody can speak up everybody on team u.s. has seen a final beside josh the insecurity and some of the cast .... if you wanted to lead speak up no that hard 

Again, Tori stated that Kam has won nothing and doesn't think she should be nominating herself.  Fact--she's won nothing which we should see anyone that hasn't won things nominate themesleves this early in the game when there's people more worthy.  The reality is--she should have sent in Jenny but played Kayleigh's game.

jenny and Georgia / dee probably best girls on the u.k. side Jenny would have destroyed big t that wouldn’t have made any sense 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

I've said multiple times that I like Jordan lmao. Only read a few lines from your dissertation. It's okay to disagree with me. Why the hostility? I'm defending my views on Kam and Tori. What are you doing other than trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong? This is all subjective anyway. Maybe you weren't impressed with Kam's elimination wins and vote rigging, but I was and I'm not sorry about it. If "Killa Kam" doesn't scare anyone then maybe they should go against her. On that note, when did I say she was someone to be afraid of competitively? I said she's done more than Tori, which is true. She's had more chances since she's appeared on more seasons but that still doesn't negate the fact that she has proven herself more. Do I think Kam is top tier? No, I don't. But I think she has it in her. A huge part of winning is having the belief that you can, which she does. I don't see that belief in Tori as much as I want to. I liked her on her first season. But she seems like more of a follower. Like early Paula and Sarah. 

And yes, teaming up with the three guys who were protected by production and encouraged to engage in various forms of debauchery during their stint, is playing it to me. Maybe not you, but that's how I see it. 

Saying something doesn't make it true.  You completely change your point when logic is used and you realize your prior statement had no credibility.

In no universe can one say that Kam has clearly done more than Tori--they're clearly comparable to anyone unbiased.  Neither has truly done anything at all.  Since Tori's first season you saw her on a handful of episodes with a useless partner and 2 episodes this season..  Who is she following?  Kam's the one that literally stated she's going to follow people--see Paulie/Cara.  She said that.   

The entire objective to reach the final with an opportunity to win.  Paula, Sarah & Jenn played the game perfectly--you just disliked JEK (which is fine) so therefore you're incorrectly making general statements about people that aren't accurate.

Again, Tori said Kam has given herself countless nicknames (true) and hasn't won anything (true).  Where's the problem?   FACT & FACT.   

The inability of people to give Tori credit or acknowledge Kam's shortcoming is....there's no words.   I can't wait to we see them go head to head in an elimination when both have incentive to win.  Can't wait.

Again, so much hostility lol. We can disagree on this without you pulling your hair out over it. This is why I took a break from vevmo. Some of you take this show too seriously lmao. I prefer Kam's gameplay to Tori's. Big deal. And now that you mention it, I would love to see them go head to head as well. 

There's a difference between simply stating "I prefer Kam's gamepaly to Tori's" then what you said.  You claimed Tori was insecure and tried to compare Jordan nominating himself to Kam nominating herself.   You don't see the difference?  Really?  Okay...

If Paulie volunteered or anybody else wouldn’t be a problem people have a problem with Kam for no reason 

If Paulie, Leroy, Josh, Tori, Nany or anyone I'm forgetting that hasn't won anything on that stacked team would volunteer I'd say the same thing.

leroy isn’t going to be a leader anybody can speak up everybody on team u.s. has seen a final beside josh the insecurity and some of the cast .... if you wanted to lead speak up no that hard 

Again, Tori stated that Kam has won nothing and doesn't think she should be nominating herself.  Fact--she's won nothing which we should see anyone that hasn't won things nominate themesleves this early in the game when there's people more worthy.  The reality is--she should have sent in Jenny but played Kayleigh's game.

jenny and Georgia / dee probably best girls on the u.k. side Jenny would have destroyed big t that wouldn’t have made any sense 

Jenny's clearly the biggest threat--not Georgia.  If you want to make the big move you go for Jenny.  She played Kayleighs game.  We'll see if that works out for her or not.  Cara was right--predictably--as annoying as she is she has the best grasp of this game.  Hopefully for Kam's sake she decides to be Cara's Leroy/Derrick.

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

We all know he took that role long before he had accomplished anything lol. Look at what he did on FA. Not saying he shouldn't do that ether. I think it's entertaining. I like it when he and Kam get in their bag like that. But I have to laugh at Tori's confessional because she could easily have been talking about her boyfriend prior to his first win. 

Again, Jordan NEVER took that kind of position before he won.  He didn't have any power on Rivals 2, Free Agents he was used by other and then Sarah carried him to a win by telling him to shut up and let her make the decisions.

What position are you talking about? I'm saying his head was up his *** long before his first win, which is true. His move against John on FA is proof of that. If more new players would pipe up like that, the show would be more interesting. That's why I appreciate people like him, Kam and Kayleigh. It's a show after all. Not an actual sport where you wait your turn. 

ETA: Other cast members who had used to respectfully play it safe and wait their turn had only ever won when they stopped doing that. Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. Even Brad to an extent. I'll never understand the thought process behind knowing your place on this show. You make your place. Other cast memebrs don't get to decide for you. That's why Derrick still hasn't won after how many seasons. 

This is about Tori's comments about Kam that were dead accurate yet you're mad about them because you falsely comparing Kam to Jordan.  This is about Kam taking a "speaker for the team role" and Tori saying she's done nothing to earn that right.  You, for some unknown reason, decided to bring Jordan into.  

Please tell me you don't think Derrick K doesn't have a win...he has 3.  Brad waited so long for a win because of penalty kicks, Big Easy dying and gassing out on The Duel.  Cara, Paula and Sarah weren't elite early on but made finals (or close to it) for how they played.  When prior to Georgia do you think Kam tried to make a big move?   Sending in two rookie teams.

I'm done.  You're making any sense.

The Derrick thing was a **** up on my part. Of course he has won before. That's why I went back and edited my comment. 

And I don't think Tori's comments on Kam are "dead accurate" because I think anyone should be allowed to take on any role that they see fit. If anyone had a problem with Kam being the speaker or would have preferred to take on that role on their own, they had the chance to speak. They didn't. Tori was upset about it because she (and Zach who had also expressed distaste) is used to waiting her turn and playing it safe, like I said. I don't see the problem with Kam taking on that position. She wasn't alone. 

Cara ranked first out of the FM2 girls, which was why Darrell chose her. The fact that she got her first win on Bloodlines is because she stopped caring about what other people thought. As far as what I hd seen on the show, she was impressive to me from Cutthroat onwards. You can argue that Paula got more athletic, which is true, or that she also had the best partners for both wins but that wasn't the case for Sarah. Do you really think she would have won Exes 2 if she hadn't consciously decided to stop playing it safe? 

All I'm saying is ... Tori seems pretty insecure to me. There's no requirement on the show that only previous winners can take leadership roles. That's just dumb. 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

I've said multiple times that I like Jordan lmao. Only read a few lines from your dissertation. It's okay to disagree with me. Why the hostility? I'm defending my views on Kam and Tori. What are you doing other than trying to convince me that my opinions are wrong? This is all subjective anyway. Maybe you weren't impressed with Kam's elimination wins and vote rigging, but I was and I'm not sorry about it. If "Killa Kam" doesn't scare anyone then maybe they should go against her. On that note, when did I say she was someone to be afraid of competitively? I said she's done more than Tori, which is true. She's had more chances since she's appeared on more seasons but that still doesn't negate the fact that she has proven herself more. Do I think Kam is top tier? No, I don't. But I think she has it in her. A huge part of winning is having the belief that you can, which she does. I don't see that belief in Tori as much as I want to. I liked her on her first season. But she seems like more of a follower. Like early Paula and Sarah. 

And yes, teaming up with the three guys who were protected by production and encouraged to engage in various forms of debauchery during their stint, is playing it to me. Maybe not you, but that's how I see it. 

Saying something doesn't make it true.  You completely change your point when logic is used and you realize your prior statement had no credibility.

In no universe can one say that Kam has clearly done more than Tori--they're clearly comparable to anyone unbiased.  Neither has truly done anything at all.  Since Tori's first season you saw her on a handful of episodes with a useless partner and 2 episodes this season..  Who is she following?  Kam's the one that literally stated she's going to follow people--see Paulie/Cara.  She said that.   

The entire objective to reach the final with an opportunity to win.  Paula, Sarah & Jenn played the game perfectly--you just disliked JEK (which is fine) so therefore you're incorrectly making general statements about people that aren't accurate.

Again, Tori said Kam has given herself countless nicknames (true) and hasn't won anything (true).  Where's the problem?   FACT & FACT.   

The inability of people to give Tori credit or acknowledge Kam's shortcoming is....there's no words.   I can't wait to we see them go head to head in an elimination when both have incentive to win.  Can't wait.

Again, so much hostility lol. We can disagree on this without you pulling your hair out over it. This is why I took a break from vevmo. Some of you take this show too seriously lmao. I prefer Kam's gameplay to Tori's. Big deal. And now that you mention it, I would love to see them go head to head as well. 

There's a difference between simply stating "I prefer Kam's gamepaly to Tori's" then what you said.  You claimed Tori was insecure and tried to compare Jordan nominating himself to Kam nominating herself.   You don't see the difference?  Really?  Okay...

I was comparing Kam and Jordan in terms of their confidence. And Tori does seem insecure to me. In terms of her position on the show at least. 

Girl nobody ******* cares god damn. Put the phone on air plane mode. Writing dissertations about this same thing every other week.

Jenny made no sense to put against big t Georgia is the girl leader on the u.k. Jenny would have rocked big t no competition 

Grapefruits I'm so sorry......I would've told you not to feed the animals had I peeked in this thread earlier lawd

I just couldn't imagine being 40+ & writing long & wrong *** essays on Vevmo about this ****. ROFL

Grapefruits I'm so sorry......I would've told you not to feed the animals had I peeked in this thread earlier lawd

I just couldn't imagine being 40+ & writing long & wrong *** essays on Vevmo about this ****.

Lmao it is what it is. I feel awkward even doing this at 28.  

I'm super impressed with the elimination, I fully expected them to give the girls something lame but we got a really creative physical elimination. 

I'm super impressed with the elimination, I fully expected them to give the girls something lame but we got a really creative physical elimination. 

Agreed. I hope we see Big T again. She did better than I had expected and her personality is refreshing. 

 

I said I was done but this got worse.  What insecurity?  Again, Tori didn't say she should have been in charge.  She likely isn't worried about Kam at all.   She stated facts regarding the very little Kam has actually done on this show.  Again, she is right.  Cara or Ashley should have been the speaker there since Laurel wasn't eligible.  Kam can do whatever she wants and others are allowed to discuss it.  Tori was accurate even if you dislike her and Jordan

You apparently think working with JEK means playing it safe.   Sarah tried to scheme, with Laurel, to get rid of Cara on Cutthroat.  She was targetted early on FM because of her alliance with Kenny.  She went into multiple elimination on The Ruins.  Sarah couldn't even handle the Cutthroat final.  She greatly improved as time went on.  She got in much better shape.  She had chances to win prior to finally winning but she wasn't this person scared to make moves.  That was never true.  Sarah's biggest issue was ****** partners....honestly, I'm not sure if anyone has had worse luck.  Hell, she even volunteered twice on Season to go in.   Paula called out Aneesa in her very first challenge but Paula was never strong--she need to rely on people to take her to a final which is what her strength was--endurance.   

Cara was a trainwreck.  She lacked endurance and sucked at puzzles early on.  She was horrible on Cutthroat.  Cara never had power or the ability to take power until recently.   Cara lost twice because another team had Evelyn and Emily along with Paula.  Paula is a better compliment to a strong player in a final than Cara because of their stamina/endurance.   I don't even know what you think they should have done.   

Tell me the move Paula, Sarah and Cara Maria failed to make early on that they needed to make....please.  And then tell me what Kam has actually done because so far she's done nothing.  Georgia's still there and her master plan to send in two rookie teams flopped.

Your're acting as though Kam (already in season 4) is doing something special or deserves credit for thinking she's better than she is.  I hope she plays a smart game this season of riding Cara/Paulie to a final because that's her best bet.  Killa Kam doesn't scare anyone no matter how much of an act she points on.

[/quote].    I don’t know if I’d call Tori insecure about Kam but I do think she could be concerned that Kam could eventually come for them since it’s always risky to leave a couple that’s good in control. I think Jordan made mistake calling out Wes so early because nobody trusts Wes anyway and it puts target on them so early in game.

Grapefruits I'm so sorry......I would've told you not to feed the animals had I peeked in this thread earlier lawd

I just couldn't imagine being 40+ & writing long & wrong *** essays on Vevmo about this ****.

Just a question why do you even post if you really seem to hate show?

 

Grapefruits I'm so sorry......I would've told you not to feed the animals had I peeked in this thread earlier lawd

I just couldn't imagine being 40+ & writing long & wrong *** essays on Vevmo about this ****.

Just a question why do you even post if you really seem to hate show?

Because I can.

All of this is just so stupid. People like who they like and that’s it. There is no need to discredit someone’s accomplishments just because you don’t like them. Both Kam and Tori have had success on this show to varying degrees. I’m more impressed by Kam because in general I just like her, but she also has a great elimination record and good politics (which by the way, whether they are successful or not is not the point. The fact that she is not sitting back and waiting for the game to come to her is the impressive part. Also, I think a lot of people miss the intent of what her goal is to begin with). Personally, I’m not a fan of Tori (she rubs me the wrong way) but I’m not about to sit her and call her a flop.

Also, just want to point out that just because neither one of them has a win (yet) doesn’t mean they aren’t good players. It took Paula, Sarah, and Cara eight seasons to win. So if Kam wants to toot her horn she can. And if Tori wants to have a problem with it, that’s fine too.

 

 

Tori and kam stats and everything are similar they are similar competitors 

I think Tori has potential, but she squanders it with her insecurities. She should take a page from Kam's book and stop playing it safe. That will only keep her around when it's convenient for other people in her group. Also it's funny to me that she was going on about Kam being obnoxious ... whilst in a relationship with one of the most obnoxious cast members in the history of the show lol. 

The difference is...it makes sense for Jordan to take that role because of what he has accomplished even if it he annoying.  Kam should not nominate herself for that role on a team with Cara, Ashley and Laurel (yes, I know Laurel wasn't eligible).   The US has far too many proven champions for someone like Kam (or Tori or Leroy) to take control.

Notice Kam acknowledges she's been playing the wrong game in the past so she wants to run with Cara/Paulie.  Kam's strategy and social games in the past has been far from great.  I'm hoping for an improvement this year--off to a shaky start if the UK gets power.

So what? Why would you (if you were in Kam's place) let a champion take power before you when you have the chance to do it as well? Ashley is a lone wolf in that team and Cara isn't the confrontational type so why not take it? Not to mention that she wasn't sending any champ to elimination and nominated 2 more people so it really shouldn't matter this much.

 

Can someone please check Tori's stupid ***? I'm not particularly fond of Kam either, but in terms of competition she has been a breath of fresh air. She doesn't let the guys run her game, particularly the guys she's ******* with or has ****** with. Can't say the same for Tori. All she ever really does is echo other cast members during discussions and just barely pull her weight during challenges. Tori has never once shocked me as a competitor, in terms of athletics or politics. Kam has shocked me in both regards and continues to do so. 

Also it wasn't cute of the other side to only try and nominate Big T and Esther. What was that nonsense? 

Sad to see Zahida and Faith go. I actually like both of them a lot. 

Kayleigh and Kam are great. That's all I have to say about their friendship. I just love it. 

When did Kam do something shocking?   

The most shocking thing Kam did was waste such a dope strategic tactic to just vote in Angela and Faith, but what beats that is her reasoning for it; "tO pRoTeCt mY fRiEnDs". Okay, all 12 teams are you're friends!? lmao.

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