Tbh I don't think Ika cares to do this show but hopefully I'm completely wrong & she'll be coming to be an ally for Day next season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cut it all the way out.*Sounded like Eminem's mom's voice in the movie*v.s.*Calls somebody "8 Mile" as if it's supposed to be a dig at her being from the ghetto & proceeds to act like what's supposed to be a stereotypical AA girl*Not only did you try it but you trying to fish for something out of nothing but mmmkay.
Nah I'm saying I think the Joss thing was a reach. They both meant the same thing, that they were acting/sounding trashy. People blew it out of proportion because it's Day.
Nah would've been the same if it was Kam, Nia, Simone, Toya, Aneesa, **** Chanda from FM1, so on & so forth. It don't have nothing to do with it being Day.Now we'll need to see the context of Ashley v.s. Theo but having a similar sounding voice as a character in the movie v.s. all that extraness Joss did is not the same thing.
Joss called Day "8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. Theo called Ashley "the mom from 8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. This has everything to do with joking about trashiness and nothing to do with race.Nowhere in there was race ever mentioned, I fail to see how Joss's comment was racist and Theo's wasn't, and I stand by that.
Well for one, 8mile is a real ******* place. It's the ghetto, he called a black woman ghetto like most ignorant people do anytime a black woman speaks above a whisper in public. The mom from 8mile isnt ******* real she's a character.
he did? or are you just implying that for him?Day acts crazy and gets called 8 Mile - racistAshley acts crazy and gets called the mom from 8 Mile (who is ghetto white trash, that's what he's implying since we're all reaching) - not racistK lol
I feel like you didn't actually read my post. 8mile is a real place it's not a random character from a movie in 2003, calling a black woman 8mile is calling her ghetto, you can rationalize it anyway you want but he's not in the Uk anymore, in America if you walked up to a black person and called then 8mile they wouldn't just assume it's slang for trashy.
Do you really think that British people know that when they watch the movie? I don't google whatever random British town a movie is set in to see if it's real or not.
That's your argument? That they are too stupid and ignorant to know 8mile is real? They say in the movie it's in Detroit man, people from the UK aren't idiots, they know basic geography.
And Detroit is supposed to mean what to them? I highly doubt most know where Michigan is, where Detroit is, what it's like, etc. So yes, I'm saying I think most probably don't know everything about our country. They probably don't care about Detroit. It isn't even a top 10 most populated city, it's not a tourist destination, why the **** would they?When Joss said "8 Mile", he meant trash. That's what the movie shows, a lot of American trash. And guess what!? They're in all different shapes, sizes and colors too! White and black! Hence why Ashley and Day could both fit the description of "8 Mile" to a British person who watched the movie and saw, gasp - white, black and every color in between - people acting trashy.You are the ones not viewing it from their perspective not me, cause if you did you would clearly see that Joss wasn't being racist just like Theo wasn't being racist.
So he's ignorant, plain and simple. This isn't the UK and he's not a child, being accidentally racist is still racist. This is like them saying camila was from Brazil so she wouldn't know what blackface is
Yes, he's ignorant to the specific social patterns of our 26th most populated city in our county, how dare he lmaooo what's the 26th most populated city in Britain btw? Blackface is internationally known to most. There would be no excusing that. Maybe you might want to check yourself with your false equivalencies before making an argument, cause you're the one not making sense.
Again he's not a ******* child, he's been to the USA before. Using the excuse I didn't know it was racist doesn't magically make him not racist.
Ok, I'd love to see you quizzed to that extent in Britain and see how you do. Not everyone can learn everything about a culture and its sensitivies, and frankly, most DONT CARE. Joss clearly isn't racist, he was insensitive just like we all are sometimes.
I wouldn't go around using early 2000s rap movies as my reference for a country or everyone in it. And it's not like the UK is different enough that he wouldn't know that black people don't like to be called ghetto. He's ignorant end of story. He shouldn't be cottled just because he has an accent
white people don't like being called ghetto either, is Theo ignorant?
yeah Ika works with ET she seems high key above the challenge but I hope they give her a shot, queenie might get flung but her getting cast periodt>>>>
Cut it all the way out.*Sounded like Eminem's mom's voice in the movie*v.s.*Calls somebody "8 Mile" as if it's supposed to be a dig at her being from the ghetto & proceeds to act like what's supposed to be a stereotypical AA girl*Not only did you try it but you trying to fish for something out of nothing but mmmkay.
Nah I'm saying I think the Joss thing was a reach. They both meant the same thing, that they were acting/sounding trashy. People blew it out of proportion because it's Day.
Nah would've been the same if it was Kam, Nia, Simone, Toya, Aneesa, **** Chanda from FM1, so on & so forth. It don't have nothing to do with it being Day.Now we'll need to see the context of Ashley v.s. Theo but having a similar sounding voice as a character in the movie v.s. all that extraness Joss did is not the same thing.
Joss called Day "8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. Theo called Ashley "the mom from 8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. This has everything to do with joking about trashiness and nothing to do with race.Nowhere in there was race ever mentioned, I fail to see how Joss's comment was racist and Theo's wasn't, and I stand by that.
Well for one, 8mile is a real ******* place. It's the ghetto, he called a black woman ghetto like most ignorant people do anytime a black woman speaks above a whisper in public. The mom from 8mile isnt ******* real she's a character.
he did? or are you just implying that for him?Day acts crazy and gets called 8 Mile - racistAshley acts crazy and gets called the mom from 8 Mile (who is ghetto white trash, that's what he's implying since we're all reaching) - not racistK lol
I feel like you didn't actually read my post. 8mile is a real place it's not a random character from a movie in 2003, calling a black woman 8mile is calling her ghetto, you can rationalize it anyway you want but he's not in the Uk anymore, in America if you walked up to a black person and called then 8mile they wouldn't just assume it's slang for trashy.
Do you really think that British people know that when they watch the movie? I don't google whatever random British town a movie is set in to see if it's real or not.
That's your argument? That they are too stupid and ignorant to know 8mile is real? They say in the movie it's in Detroit man, people from the UK aren't idiots, they know basic geography.
And Detroit is supposed to mean what to them? I highly doubt most know where Michigan is, where Detroit is, what it's like, etc. So yes, I'm saying I think most probably don't know everything about our country. They probably don't care about Detroit. It isn't even a top 10 most populated city, it's not a tourist destination, why the **** would they?When Joss said "8 Mile", he meant trash. That's what the movie shows, a lot of American trash. And guess what!? They're in all different shapes, sizes and colors too! White and black! Hence why Ashley and Day could both fit the description of "8 Mile" to a British person who watched the movie and saw, gasp - white, black and every color in between - people acting trashy.You are the ones not viewing it from their perspective not me, cause if you did you would clearly see that Joss wasn't being racist just like Theo wasn't being racist.
So he's ignorant, plain and simple. This isn't the UK and he's not a child, being accidentally racist is still racist. This is like them saying camila was from Brazil so she wouldn't know what blackface is
Yes, he's ignorant to the specific social patterns of our 26th most populated city in our county, how dare he lmaooo what's the 26th most populated city in Britain btw? Blackface is internationally known to most. There would be no excusing that. Maybe you might want to check yourself with your false equivalencies before making an argument, cause you're the one not making sense.
Again he's not a ******* child, he's been to the USA before. Using the excuse I didn't know it was racist doesn't magically make him not racist.
Ok, I'd love to see you quizzed to that extent in Britain and see how you do. Not everyone can learn everything about a culture and its sensitivies, and frankly, most DONT CARE. Joss clearly isn't racist, he was insensitive just like we all are sometimes.
I wouldn't go around using early 2000s rap movies as my reference for a country or everyone in it. And it's not like the UK is different enough that he wouldn't know that black people don't like to be called ghetto. He's ignorant end of story. He shouldn't be cottled just because he has an accent
white people don't like being called ghetto either, is Theo ignorant?
No. Because trailer trash isn't hateful
did he say trailer trash? He said 8 mile, same thing as joss. Which we agreed meant ghetto. And we agree that no one likes being called ghetto. So is Theo ignorant for saying that?
yeah Ika works with ET she seems high key above the challenge but I hope they give her a shot, queenie might get flung but her getting cast periodt>>>>
She'd probably need a nice check to come, but it'd be worth it as long as she doesn't lose the opening purge
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Tbh I don't think Ika cares to do this show but hopefully I'm completely wrong & she'll be coming to be an ally for Day next season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I see her mostly declining as well. The only exception maybe is if they cast her with Demetres and somehow Josh/Day convince her to join.
yeah Ika works with ET she seems high key above the challenge but I hope they give her a shot, queenie might get flung but her getting cast periodt>>>>
I get Legend Brittini Sherrod 2.0 vibes (w/ a VERY good social/political game) as far as a general competitor plus I'm sure Demetres will get her in good shape if she wants to do it.
Cut it all the way out.*Sounded like Eminem's mom's voice in the movie*v.s.*Calls somebody "8 Mile" as if it's supposed to be a dig at her being from the ghetto & proceeds to act like what's supposed to be a stereotypical AA girl*Not only did you try it but you trying to fish for something out of nothing but mmmkay.
Nah I'm saying I think the Joss thing was a reach. They both meant the same thing, that they were acting/sounding trashy. People blew it out of proportion because it's Day.
Nah would've been the same if it was Kam, Nia, Simone, Toya, Aneesa, **** Chanda from FM1, so on & so forth. It don't have nothing to do with it being Day.Now we'll need to see the context of Ashley v.s. Theo but having a similar sounding voice as a character in the movie v.s. all that extraness Joss did is not the same thing.
Joss called Day "8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. Theo called Ashley "the mom from 8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. This has everything to do with joking about trashiness and nothing to do with race.Nowhere in there was race ever mentioned, I fail to see how Joss's comment was racist and Theo's wasn't, and I stand by that.
Well for one, 8mile is a real ******* place. It's the ghetto, he called a black woman ghetto like most ignorant people do anytime a black woman speaks above a whisper in public. The mom from 8mile isnt ******* real she's a character.
he did? or are you just implying that for him?Day acts crazy and gets called 8 Mile - racistAshley acts crazy and gets called the mom from 8 Mile (who is ghetto white trash, that's what he's implying since we're all reaching) - not racistK lol
I feel like you didn't actually read my post. 8mile is a real place it's not a random character from a movie in 2003, calling a black woman 8mile is calling her ghetto, you can rationalize it anyway you want but he's not in the Uk anymore, in America if you walked up to a black person and called then 8mile they wouldn't just assume it's slang for trashy.
Do you really think that British people know that when they watch the movie? I don't google whatever random British town a movie is set in to see if it's real or not.
That's your argument? That they are too stupid and ignorant to know 8mile is real? They say in the movie it's in Detroit man, people from the UK aren't idiots, they know basic geography.
And Detroit is supposed to mean what to them? I highly doubt most know where Michigan is, where Detroit is, what it's like, etc. So yes, I'm saying I think most probably don't know everything about our country. They probably don't care about Detroit. It isn't even a top 10 most populated city, it's not a tourist destination, why the **** would they?When Joss said "8 Mile", he meant trash. That's what the movie shows, a lot of American trash. And guess what!? They're in all different shapes, sizes and colors too! White and black! Hence why Ashley and Day could both fit the description of "8 Mile" to a British person who watched the movie and saw, gasp - white, black and every color in between - people acting trashy.You are the ones not viewing it from their perspective not me, cause if you did you would clearly see that Joss wasn't being racist just like Theo wasn't being racist.
So he's ignorant, plain and simple. This isn't the UK and he's not a child, being accidentally racist is still racist. This is like them saying camila was from Brazil so she wouldn't know what blackface is
Yes, he's ignorant to the specific social patterns of our 26th most populated city in our county, how dare he lmaooo what's the 26th most populated city in Britain btw? Blackface is internationally known to most. There would be no excusing that. Maybe you might want to check yourself with your false equivalencies before making an argument, cause you're the one not making sense.
Again he's not a ******* child, he's been to the USA before. Using the excuse I didn't know it was racist doesn't magically make him not racist.
Ok, I'd love to see you quizzed to that extent in Britain and see how you do. Not everyone can learn everything about a culture and its sensitivies, and frankly, most DONT CARE. Joss clearly isn't racist, he was insensitive just like we all are sometimes.
I wouldn't go around using early 2000s rap movies as my reference for a country or everyone in it. And it's not like the UK is different enough that he wouldn't know that black people don't like to be called ghetto. He's ignorant end of story. He shouldn't be cottled just because he has an accent
white people don't like being called ghetto either, is Theo ignorant?
No. Because trailer trash isn't hateful
did he say trailer trash? He said 8 mile, same thing as joss. Which we agreed meant ghetto. And we agree that no one likes being called ghetto. So is Theo ignorant for saying that?
The mom from 8mile literally lived in a trailer park dude. He was saying she's trailer trash
Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? LMAOO Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.Lmao the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? LMAOO Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.Lmao the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
iuyania wrote:Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? LMAOO Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.Lmao the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
Don't forget she knocked someone out that was half her size.
Cut it all the way out.*Sounded like Eminem's mom's voice in the movie*v.s.*Calls somebody "8 Mile" as if it's supposed to be a dig at her being from the ghetto & proceeds to act like what's supposed to be a stereotypical AA girl*Not only did you try it but you trying to fish for something out of nothing but mmmkay.
Nah I'm saying I think the Joss thing was a reach. They both meant the same thing, that they were acting/sounding trashy. People blew it out of proportion because it's Day.
Nah would've been the same if it was Kam, Nia, Simone, Toya, Aneesa, **** Chanda from FM1, so on & so forth. It don't have nothing to do with it being Day.Now we'll need to see the context of Ashley v.s. Theo but having a similar sounding voice as a character in the movie v.s. all that extraness Joss did is not the same thing.
Joss called Day "8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. Theo called Ashley "the mom from 8 Mile" because she was acting trashy. This has everything to do with joking about trashiness and nothing to do with race.Nowhere in there was race ever mentioned, I fail to see how Joss's comment was racist and Theo's wasn't, and I stand by that.
Well for one, 8mile is a real ******* place. It's the ghetto, he called a black woman ghetto like most ignorant people do anytime a black woman speaks above a whisper in public. The mom from 8mile isnt ******* real she's a character.
he did? or are you just implying that for him?Day acts crazy and gets called 8 Mile - racistAshley acts crazy and gets called the mom from 8 Mile (who is ghetto white trash, that's what he's implying since we're all reaching) - not racistK lol
I feel like you didn't actually read my post. 8mile is a real place it's not a random character from a movie in 2003, calling a black woman 8mile is calling her ghetto, you can rationalize it anyway you want but he's not in the Uk anymore, in America if you walked up to a black person and called then 8mile they wouldn't just assume it's slang for trashy.
Do you really think that British people know that when they watch the movie? I don't google whatever random British town a movie is set in to see if it's real or not.
That's your argument? That they are too stupid and ignorant to know 8mile is real? They say in the movie it's in Detroit man, people from the UK aren't idiots, they know basic geography.
And Detroit is supposed to mean what to them? I highly doubt most know where Michigan is, where Detroit is, what it's like, etc. So yes, I'm saying I think most probably don't know everything about our country. They probably don't care about Detroit. It isn't even a top 10 most populated city, it's not a tourist destination, why the **** would they?When Joss said "8 Mile", he meant trash. That's what the movie shows, a lot of American trash. And guess what!? They're in all different shapes, sizes and colors too! White and black! Hence why Ashley and Day could both fit the description of "8 Mile" to a British person who watched the movie and saw, gasp - white, black and every color in between - people acting trashy.You are the ones not viewing it from their perspective not me, cause if you did you would clearly see that Joss wasn't being racist just like Theo wasn't being racist.
So he's ignorant, plain and simple. This isn't the UK and he's not a child, being accidentally racist is still racist. This is like them saying camila was from Brazil so she wouldn't know what blackface is
Yes, he's ignorant to the specific social patterns of our 26th most populated city in our county, how dare he lmaooo what's the 26th most populated city in Britain btw? Blackface is internationally known to most. There would be no excusing that. Maybe you might want to check yourself with your false equivalencies before making an argument, cause you're the one not making sense.
Again he's not a ******* child, he's been to the USA before. Using the excuse I didn't know it was racist doesn't magically make him not racist.
Ok, I'd love to see you quizzed to that extent in Britain and see how you do. Not everyone can learn everything about a culture and its sensitivies, and frankly, most DONT CARE. Joss clearly isn't racist, he was insensitive just like we all are sometimes.
I wouldn't go around using early 2000s rap movies as my reference for a country or everyone in it. And it's not like the UK is different enough that he wouldn't know that black people don't like to be called ghetto. He's ignorant end of story. He shouldn't be cottled just because he has an accent
white people don't like being called ghetto either, is Theo ignorant?
No. Because trailer trash isn't hateful
did he say trailer trash? He said 8 mile, same thing as joss. Which we agreed meant ghetto. And we agree that no one likes being called ghetto. So is Theo ignorant for saying that?
No, Ashley is trailer park trash and acts like it beyond just arguments and the crack running through her veins can help prove that. Da'Vonne got loud once and said everything she does is so '8 mile". He didn't call Sylvia 8 mile for head butting her best friend. He didn't call Amanda or Cara 8 mile for their argument. Zach called his gf a **** to his face and all he did was "guys come inside" lol no it's not the same. **** outta here. White people shouldn't be using any form of ghetto, ratchet, hoodrat, etc... when talking to black people.
iuyania wrote:Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? ****O Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.**** the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
Don't forget she knocked someone out that was half her size.
**** y'all entertain trolls just so you can have an excuse to drag Da'Vonne pls. And still doesn't negate the fact that people were saying she can't win anything and her being chosen early in the rookie purge makes no sense but yes, let's blame Day fans lol
iuyania wrote:Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? ****O Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.**** the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
Don't forget she knocked someone out that was half her size.
**** y'all entertain trolls just so you can have an excuse to drag Da'Vonne pls.
It's not her we drag, it's the fans who try to use anything to justify her being good. She doesn't need it, she can compete without people acting like she is going to win the next season
iuyania wrote:Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? ****O Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okayY'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.**** the memories on here are just- amazing.
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
Don't forget she knocked someone out that was half her size.
**** y'all entertain trolls just so you can have an excuse to drag Da'Vonne pls.
Tbh I don't think Ika cares to do this show but hopefully I'm completely wrong & she'll be coming to be an ally for Day next season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Or maybe casting grows some brains and casts the Queen themselves
No. Because trailer trash isn't hateful
yeah Ika works with ET she seems high key above the challenge but I hope they give her a shot, queenie might get flung but her getting cast periodt>>>>
did he say trailer trash? He said 8 mile, same thing as joss. Which we agreed meant ghetto. And we agree that no one likes being called ghetto. So is Theo ignorant for saying that?
She'd probably need a nice check to come, but it'd be worth it as long as she doesn't lose the opening purge
**** did you really gotta do that?
I see her mostly declining as well. The only exception maybe is if they cast her with Demetres and somehow Josh/Day convince her to join.
I've never seen an episode of Floribama Shore cause that show gives lowkey racist vibes, but is this Gus dude known for crying a lot?
If this challenge was mainly about the puzzle I also don’t see Natalie doing good
Day fans: Don't doubt Da'Vonne, she's not a weak competitor let alone the weakest.
Yall: Day fans are delusional!! An elite? ****O Her putting in work for her team? Impossible. Her being chosen second/third? sounds fake but okay
Y'all now: No one ever said Day couldn't win anything. We were talking about her physically not her brains.
**** the memories on here are just- amazing.
I get Legend Brittini Sherrod 2.0 vibes (w/ a VERY good social/political game) as far as a general competitor plus I'm sure Demetres will get her in good shape if she wants to do it.
The mom from 8mile literally lived in a trailer park dude. He was saying she's trailer trash
Am I the only that keeps forgetting Leroy is on this season ****
You're memory is pretty weak too if you think all Day fans are saying is "she isn the weakest." You know you all hype her up way too much that's why she gets the hate
Who?
I feel like I do nearly every season with Leroy
Honestly, like how her fighting a girl in high school or running track with no proof means she's a great competitor
My girl <3
I feel like he's always there but I can't remember him doing anything since exes 2
i forget all the time
Don't forget she knocked someone out that was half her size.
No, Ashley is trailer park trash and acts like it beyond just arguments and the crack running through her veins can help prove that. Da'Vonne got loud once and said everything she does is so '8 mile". He didn't call Sylvia 8 mile for head butting her best friend. He didn't call Amanda or Cara 8 mile for their argument. Zach called his gf a **** to his face and all he did was "guys come inside" lol no it's not the same. **** outta here. White people shouldn't be using any form of ghetto, ratchet, hoodrat, etc... when talking to black people.
**** y'all entertain trolls just so you can have an excuse to drag Da'Vonne pls. And still doesn't negate the fact that people were saying she can't win anything and her being chosen early in the rookie purge makes no sense but yes, let's blame Day fans lol
It's not her we drag, it's the fans who try to use anything to justify her being good. She doesn't need it, she can compete without people acting like she is going to win the next season
I am not dragging her lol. Why are you mad?
I hope the Vet challenge was an ACTUAL challenge and not something simple.
If I could know Natalie’s placement that would be great
It was the same one the rookies did it was said
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