Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Using this logic pretty much everyone is unsuccessful. Jenna didn't have a target on her back on Exes 2 or Rivals 3 apparnetly. Okay when she started playing a sloppy game. Tori had a target early then played great strategically. The "newbies" struggle because the guys, other than Hunter/Nelson, are weak competitors.
KennyER wrote:Imagine supporting a show when you think it's racist and hates black women lmaoYou guys are funny.
So much whining. It's to the point where I want the Marie stans to come back, and that's the weirdest sect on this board. So many people on here act like this show is the worst thing on Earth, yet they can't stop talking about it.
They are all just *****ing for the **** of it at this point.
Yeah, it's really hard to take it seriously. The show doesn't need to change to help their favorites to better on the game -- their favorites need to get better at the game to upset the status quo. And once the newbies get better at the game, they'll be the dreaded "vets" and they'll want them to go away for the next newbies. It's a neverending cycle.
yawn, completely missing the point of what I'm trying to say.
I get it, you're complaining to complain.
And you're complaining about the complaining. If you don't like the *****ing then ******* ignore it.
And you're *****ing about the *****ing about the *****ing. How meta do you want to go?
Some of you guys "stan" for flops, proceed to make unreleastic expectations for them, and then ***** when the inevitable happen and they get sent home.And no, the solution ain't to cast more flops just so your flop fave can have a fighting chance.Like, lolz.
Stanning is stupid, but it's not an issue to hope for your favorites to succeed. It's not an unrealistic expectation that Kailah wins or makes a final, Nelson eliminates Bananas, and more.
both of these can happen because these two competitors don't suck lol casting other people that suck won't change a lot
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Making a final is success. They all have the same chance of winning at that point. Its a competition at the end of the day and some are better than others lol. Just because you don't think Tori and Nicole are good doesn't mean they haven't been successful lol ***? Why are you pretending like this isn't a competition? Of course the best competitors are gonna have targets on their backs. Its up to them to overcome those odds and if they can't then tough shit. It doesn't mean they should be handed a win in a final. You have to be trolling at this point.
All I'm saying is it needs to be an equal fight for everyone. On Big Brother and Survivor, everyone comes in with a chance of success. Bringing in someone like Paul(in this case Bananas) and giving him a better shot than others is where the line fades and things start becoming manipulated or set up so a particular person thrives.And I am a fan of Tori, but she's still overrated. I'm still waiting to see where "The best girl to run a final with" is--and she just lost to Marie. Finals dont equal success, winning does. This isn't a participation throphy contest.
Or people could just team up against John (paul) and play their game
The excuses need to stop...the new kids simply aren't very good.
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Using this logic pretty much everyone is unsuccessful. Jenna didn't have a target on her back on Exes 2 or Rivals 3 apparnetly. Okay when she started playing a sloppy game. Tori had a target early then played great strategically. The "newbies" struggle because the guys, other than Hunter/Nelson, are weak competitors.
Tori had one target and she hasn't done anything strategic at all. And it's great you used those two example for Jenna... one she was a layup with Jay and two she was paired with Vince--bananas cousin. Those are terrible examples to prove rookies don't have it hard.
Ppl always bring up that Jenna hasn't make a final after be friending Kailah.
But do ppl forget that Jenna has been eliminated on the last 2 seasons right before the final because she got last on the blood bath and purge. Not because of her political ans social skills
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Using this logic pretty much everyone is unsuccessful. Jenna didn't have a target on her back on Exes 2 or Rivals 3 apparnetly. Okay when she started playing a sloppy game. Tori had a target early then played great strategically. The "newbies" struggle because the guys, other than Hunter/Nelson, are weak competitors.
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Making a final is success. They all have the same chance of winning at that point. Its a competition at the end of the day and some are better than others lol. Just because you don't think Tori and Nicole are good doesn't mean they haven't been successful lol ***? Why are you pretending like this isn't a competition? Of course the best competitors are gonna have targets on their backs. Its up to them to overcome those odds and if they can't then tough shit. It doesn't mean they should be handed a win in a final. You have to be trolling at this point.
All I'm saying is it needs to be an equal fight for everyone. On Big Brother and Survivor, everyone comes in with a chance of success. Bringing in someone like Paul(in this case Bananas) and giving him a better shot than others is where the line fades and things start becoming manipulated or set up so a particular person thrives.And I am a fan of Tori, but she's still overrated. I'm still waiting to see where "The best girl to run a final with" is--and she just lost to Marie. Finals dont equal success, winning does. This isn't a participation throphy contest.
This isn't BB or Survivor though. There isn't a new cast every season so therefore your favs need to become better at the Challenge. A cast being handpicked for them to do well won't matter because they ******* suck as competitors and politically.
I don't care to discuss if Tori is a good competitor or not. She still had success on her 1st season.
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Making a final is success. They all have the same chance of winning at that point. Its a competition at the end of the day and some are better than others lol. Just because you don't think Tori and Nicole are good doesn't mean they haven't been successful lol ***? Why are you pretending like this isn't a competition? Of course the best competitors are gonna have targets on their backs. Its up to them to overcome those odds and if they can't then tough shit. It doesn't mean they should be handed a win in a final. You have to be trolling at this point.
All I'm saying is it needs to be an equal fight for everyone. On Big Brother and Survivor, everyone comes in with a chance of success. Bringing in someone like Paul(in this case Bananas) and giving him a better shot than others is where the line fades and things start becoming manipulated or set up so a particular person thrives.And I am a fan of Tori, but she's still overrated. I'm still waiting to see where "The best girl to run a final with" is--and she just lost to Marie. Finals dont equal success, winning does. This isn't a participation throphy contest.
Or people could just team up against John (paul) and play their gameThe excuses need to stop...the new kids simply aren't very good.
Well then they need to bring on people who are good and match your standards.
No one in their right mind is going to target Bananas, and that's the effect of him being on so many seasons and being fed a number of blind allies.
Ppl always bring up that Jenna hasn't make a final after be friending Kailah.But do ppl forget that Jenna has been eliminated on the last 2 seasons right before the final because she got last on the blood bath and purge. Not because of her political ans social skills
KennyER wrote:Imagine supporting a show when you think it's racist and hates black women lmaoYou guys are funny.
So much whining. It's to the point where I want the Marie stans to come back, and that's the weirdest sect on this board. So many people on here act like this show is the worst thing on Earth, yet they can't stop talking about it.
They are all just *****ing for the **** of it at this point.
Yeah, it's really hard to take it seriously. The show doesn't need to change to help their favorites to better on the game -- their favorites need to get better at the game to upset the status quo. And once the newbies get better at the game, they'll be the dreaded "vets" and they'll want them to go away for the next newbies. It's a neverending cycle.
yawn, completely missing the point of what I'm trying to say.
I get it, you're complaining to complain.
And you're complaining about the complaining. If you don't like the *****ing then ******* ignore it.
And you're *****ing about the *****ing about the *****ing. How meta do you want to go?
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Making a final is success. They all have the same chance of winning at that point. Its a competition at the end of the day and some are better than others lol. Just because you don't think Tori and Nicole are good doesn't mean they haven't been successful lol ***? Why are you pretending like this isn't a competition? Of course the best competitors are gonna have targets on their backs. Its up to them to overcome those odds and if they can't then tough shit. It doesn't mean they should be handed a win in a final. You have to be trolling at this point.
All I'm saying is it needs to be an equal fight for everyone. On Big Brother and Survivor, everyone comes in with a chance of success. Bringing in someone like Paul(in this case Bananas) and giving him a better shot than others is where the line fades and things start becoming manipulated or set up so a particular person thrives.And I am a fan of Tori, but she's still overrated. I'm still waiting to see where "The best girl to run a final with" is--and she just lost to Marie. Finals dont equal success, winning does. This isn't a participation throphy contest.
This isn't BB or Survivor though. There isn't a new cast every season so therefore your favs need to become better at the Challenge. A cast being handpicked for them to do well won't matter because they ******* suck as competitors and politically.I don't care to discuss if Tori is a good competitor or not. She still had success on her 1st season.
A lot of my favorites do just fine, even though it's them vs the world. We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't equate making a final and getting dead last successful.
At the end of the day this isn’t a sport it’s a TV show, entertainment should be their first priority when casting and coming up with themes predictability isn’t entertaining
This pretty much sums it up. Some of us want to see something new and interesting happen on this show and The Vets being handed the game from the start don't make for an interesting or unpredictable show.
Apparently some people love the predictability this show brings. Oh well. That's on them.
I hate the predictable outcomes. Some of my favorite seasons--such as Inferno 2, Gauntlet 2, and Invasion-- had refreshing outcomes with people I wouldn't expect to ever win regardless of whether I liked them or not.
At this point, even one of the British guys/girls or an underdog winning would make me happy... As unlikely as that is sadly.
Razor wrote:How can you do better in the game when the same people keep returning and claiming control over the game. Working out is only one piece of the pie. This season's elimination list is an exact replica of the past 5 seasons, now I'm not familiar with much of any "tea" from the past seasons, but still. There's no room for growth for underdog competitors--I.E Amanda, Sylvia, Kailah, Marie, Nelson, Hunter-- when a select few hold so much power when it should be an equalized game.
Why exactly should this be an equalized game? *****. Tori, Ashley, Nelson, Nicole, Kailah, Amanda, Hunter, Jordan, Jenna, and etc have all been successful in this era. I don't know what show you're watching.
The only people you've mentioned that have actually succeeded are Ashley and Jordan. Making a final or winning a few eliminations doesn't equal success, especially when they have a never ending target on their back. Tori's good, but again, I feel she's been overrated. Nicole is an idiot, she's out. And both Hunter and Nelson will continue to be the #1 targets on every season because they don't play the same game as Bananas and Leroy.
Making a final is success. They all have the same chance of winning at that point. Its a competition at the end of the day and some are better than others lol. Just because you don't think Tori and Nicole are good doesn't mean they haven't been successful lol ***? Why are you pretending like this isn't a competition? Of course the best competitors are gonna have targets on their backs. Its up to them to overcome those odds and if they can't then tough shit. It doesn't mean they should be handed a win in a final. You have to be trolling at this point.
All I'm saying is it needs to be an equal fight for everyone. On Big Brother and Survivor, everyone comes in with a chance of success. Bringing in someone like Paul(in this case Bananas) and giving him a better shot than others is where the line fades and things start becoming manipulated or set up so a particular person thrives.And I am a fan of Tori, but she's still overrated. I'm still waiting to see where "The best girl to run a final with" is--and she just lost to Marie. Finals dont equal success, winning does. This isn't a participation throphy contest.
This isn't BB or Survivor though. There isn't a new cast every season so therefore your favs need to become better at the Challenge. A cast being handpicked for them to do well won't matter because they ******* suck as competitors and politically.I don't care to discuss if Tori is a good competitor or not. She still had success on her 1st season.
A lot of my favorites do just fine, even though it's them vs the world.
I don't mind Bananas anymore tbh, but there's no reason why anyone should be on their 8th season in a row and in like their 16th season overall.
Agree-- I have never 'hated' Bananas, I even find him funny sometimes, but it's tiring to see either him winning and/or him controlling the game every step of the way.
Cannot wait for Prince Malcolm to make his debut on the challenge and team up with his eskimo buddy Nelson, Hunter and Joss and drop Cory. Cory is the one holding them back competively speaking. I like Cory. He is needed on the show. He brings it in the drama and hook up department but he peaked on bloodlines when it comes to a competitor.
I'm still ****** Hunter isn't on this season. I blame BMP for that moronic elimination setup against Leroy, like they were asking for an injury pretty much.
Oh well, enjoy Cara Maria and Bananas in that final--sounds like must see TV...Holding onto the few last hopes for some game changing moves and players to make an impact. Go Kailah and Nelson!
Nah don't worry, as Jemmye la Bruja said, Bananas is cursed.
Oh well, enjoy Cara Maria and Bananas in that final--sounds like must see TV...Holding onto the few last hopes for some game changing moves and players to make an impact. Go Kailah and Nelson!
Nah don't worry, as Jemmye la Bruja said, Bananas is cursed.
knock on wood!!! supposedly he won champs vs reality stars so the curse may be over lol
When is the last time Bananas controlled the entire game? RIvals 3? He didn't control Invasion or XXX. Maybe he's running this season with Cara but we don't know for sure
Razor wrote:Oh well, enjoy Cara Maria and Bananas in that final--sounds like must see TV...Holding onto the few last hopes for some game changing moves and players to make an impact. Go Kailah and Nelson!
Nah don't worry, as Jemmye la Bruja said, Bananas is cursed.
knock on wood!!! supposedly he won champs vs reality stars so the curse may be over lol
Regardless, Marie beat a heavy hitter and if Sylvia picked up a few elimination wins as rumored then all of their fans hyping them up do have room to get excited.
It's not like they're Casey and everyone is talking like she's going to beat Evelyn next week.
Razor wrote:Oh well, enjoy Cara Maria and Bananas in that final--sounds like must see TV...Holding onto the few last hopes for some game changing moves and players to make an impact. Go Kailah and Nelson!
Nah don't worry, as Jemmye la Bruja said, Bananas is cursed.
knock on wood!!! supposedly he won champs vs reality stars so the curse may be over lol
Regardless, Marie beat a heavy hitter and if Sylvia picked up a few elimination wins as rumored then all of their fans hyping them up do have room to get excited. It's not like they're Casey and everyone is talking like she's going to beat Evelyn next week.
Using this logic pretty much everyone is unsuccessful. Jenna didn't have a target on her back on Exes 2 or Rivals 3 apparnetly. Okay when she started playing a sloppy game. Tori had a target early then played great strategically. The "newbies" struggle because the guys, other than Hunter/Nelson, are weak competitors.
And you're *****ing about the *****ing about the *****ing. How meta do you want to go?
both of these can happen because these two competitors don't suck lol casting other people that suck won't change a lot
Tori had one target and she hasn't done anything strategic at all. And it's great you used those two example for Jenna... one she was a layup with Jay and two she was paired with Vince--bananas cousin. Those are terrible examples to prove rookies don't have it hard.
Ppl always bring up that Jenna hasn't make a final after be friending Kailah.
But do ppl forget that Jenna has been eliminated on the last 2 seasons right before the final because she got last on the blood bath and purge. Not because of her political ans social skills
This isn't BB or Survivor though. There isn't a new cast every season so therefore your favs need to become better at the Challenge. A cast being handpicked for them to do well won't matter because they ******* suck as competitors and politically.
I don't care to discuss if Tori is a good competitor or not. She still had success on her 1st season.
Well then they need to bring on people who are good and match your standards.
No one in their right mind is going to target Bananas, and that's the effect of him being on so many seasons and being fed a number of blind allies.
At the end of the day this isn’t a sport it’s a TV show, entertainment should be their first priority when casting and coming up with themes
predictability isn’t entertaining
As meta as you wanna take it. What you got?
A lot of my favorites do just fine, even though it's them vs the world. We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't equate making a final and getting dead last successful.
This pretty much sums it up. Some of us want to see something new and interesting happen on this show and The Vets being handed the game from the start don't make for an interesting or unpredictable show.
The Vets need to leave. Period.
I don't mind Bananas anymore tbh, but there's no reason why anyone should be on their 8th season in a row and in like their 16th season overall.
I hate the predictable outcomes. Some of my favorite seasons--such as Inferno 2, Gauntlet 2, and Invasion-- had refreshing outcomes with people I wouldn't expect to ever win regardless of whether I liked them or not.
At this point, even one of the British guys/girls or an underdog winning would make me happy... As unlikely as that is sadly.
Then what are you *****ing about?
Agree-- I have never 'hated' Bananas, I even find him funny sometimes, but it's tiring to see either him winning and/or him controlling the game every step of the way.
I don’t know why we’re talking about lack of unpredictable outcomes because king Nelson is winning this season
Cannot wait for Prince Malcolm to make his debut on the challenge and team up with his eskimo buddy Nelson, Hunter and Joss and drop Cory. Cory is the one holding them back competively speaking. I like Cory. He is needed on the show. He brings it in the drama and hook up department but he peaked on bloodlines when it comes to a competitor.
I'm still ****** Hunter isn't on this season. I blame BMP for that moronic elimination setup against Leroy, like they were asking for an injury pretty much.
Oh well, enjoy Cara Maria and Bananas in that final--sounds like must see TV...
Holding onto the few last hopes for some game changing moves and players to make an impact. Go Kailah and Nelson!
Nah don't worry, as Jemmye la Bruja said, Bananas is cursed.
knock on wood!!! supposedly he won champs vs reality stars so the curse may be over lol
When is the last time Bananas controlled the entire game? RIvals 3? He didn't control Invasion or XXX. Maybe he's running this season with Cara but we don't know for sure
at least the money is not going to him ****
Regardless, Marie beat a heavy hitter and if Sylvia picked up a few elimination wins as rumored then all of their fans hyping them up do have room to get excited.
It's not like they're Casey and everyone is talking like she's going to beat Evelyn next week.
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He can probabl thank Emily for that
EXACTLY my thoughts
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