Im just gonna believe that the puzzle part was just one part of the game and that amber and ct did good in the rest of the parts so that it didnt matter their placement ultimately.
At this point im not shocked at anything. Well if anything maybe im suprised there wasnt also a money stealing twist for productions fav CT to take all the money from amber.
if he takes the money from Amber I will be angry
at this point would anyone be shocked? this whole season has been rigged for him thus far
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
Please say it's because they're black when a black person won and Cory doesn't think he's black
what do you know about me caring just now or not? Sick in the head
Was this English?
I'm 22 and I speak/write 4 languages. What can you speak/write besides english and stupidity?
I love a quadrilingual twin ❤️❤️
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im so jealous of non Americans, I lived in Germany for 18 months and outside of Germany like Slovenia, portugal or Belgium and Netherlands they could all speak at least 4 languages before u could graduate.. I wish we did that
yes I'm from Portugal and it's never late to learn
Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
umm i still would have been upset lol and i like kam
Well you're upset regardless cause Darrell didn't win so that's not saying much.
Right? Of course, if they were really a Darrell fan wouldn't they have quit watching the show after FM2 when they forced a redraft when Darrell took Laurel?
At this point im not shocked at anything. Well if anything maybe im suprised there wasnt also a money stealing twist for productions fav CT to take all the money from amber.
if he takes the money from Amber I will be angry
at this point would anyone be shocked? this whole season has been rigged for him thus far
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
At this point im not shocked at anything. Well if anything maybe im suprised there wasnt also a money stealing twist for productions fav CT to take all the money from amber.
if he takes the money from Amber I will be angry
at this point would anyone be shocked? this whole season has been rigged for him thus far
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
How would Ashley know? Since when is Ashley trustworthy about anything?
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
Then Kam should have went into the last elimination and we wouldn't be having this discussion
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
if production was smart they'll edit it to look like a blowout but there are going to be a lot of angry fans if they make it seem like the puzzle decides it or its close
At this point im not shocked at anything. Well if anything maybe im suprised there wasnt also a money stealing twist for productions fav CT to take all the money from amber.
if he takes the money from Amber I will be angry
at this point would anyone be shocked? this whole season has been rigged for him thus far
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
How would Ashley know? Since when is Ashley trustworthy about anything?
it's not hard to figure out trends. it's already been discussed how frequent with male elim days first with the exception of Rivals 1 and Bloodlines (only because Jenna and Brianna were the worst performers). and i believe cast members know a lot of what goes on than we think. plus ashley isn't the only cast member to share this view, she was the one who came to mind. Kam and Leroy also made comments
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
Thats why some people are saying maybe the rules didn't HAVE to be changed, that the puzzle was just an aspect that could have held them back but still did not. It probably wasnt what it seemed, they were probably unaware of the time thing and people are assuming there was a random change because CT won, like how that relic shit wasn't what it seemed. Or the first episode wasn't with the women/men day wasn't what it seemed. And how this double elmination next week isn't what it seemed to be.
Also, if Amber and CT wasn't winning regardless, then they wouldn't have been able to change it. People are taking it as the puzzle is the only reason they won, when it could have been the puzzle was about to be the only reason they lost. As I said, this happened to CT in rivals 1, if it wasn't for his partner he would have won. So probably, if it wasn't for the puzzle, he would have won
But honestly, after all of the "We don't know what to expect, everything isn't what it seems" talk, ya'll really think they wasn't gonna already pull it at the final?
What made me think the first elimination was intended for males was Ashley falling out of the harness. It feels like a huge oversight for it not to be tight enough, as if they were intended for two guys to go in. But , seeing how they made it longer for Leroy and Jay I'm not too sure. But, that was still too convenient for me.
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
How would Ashley know? Since when is Ashley trustworthy about anything?
it's not hard to figure out trends. it's already been discussed how frequent with male elim days first with the exception of Rivals 1 and Bloodlines (only because Jenna and Brianna were the worst performers). and i believe cast members know a lot of what goes on than we think. plus ashley isn't the only cast member to share this view, she was the one who came to mind. Kam and Leroy also made comments
So Ashley is assuming based on the past while ignoring Rivals and Bloodlines? 3 people that wanted it to be a guy's elimination made comments without any facts--gotcha
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
Thats why some people are saying maybe the rules didn't HAVE to be changed. It probably wasnt what it seemed and people are assuming there was a change because CT won, like how that relic shit wasn't what it seemed. Or the first episode wasn't with women/men day wasn't what it seemed. And how this double elmination next week isn't what it seemed to be.
Also, if Amber and CT wasn't winning regardless, then they wouldn't have been able to change it. People are taking it as the puzzle is the only reason they won, when it could have been the puzzle was about to be the only reason they didn't win. As I said, this happened to CT in rivals 1, if it wasn't for the partner he would have won. So probably, if it wasn't for the puzzle, he would have won.
But honestly, after all of the "its not what it seems talk", ya'll really think they didn't pull it at the final?
the main thing PR has been saying for a long time regarding the final was about the puzzle and how well CT did. That's fine.
What changed everything today was Gamer revealing that production changed the rules of the puzzle after the fact. And that Amber got last place in it. We did not know that at all.
Besides today, the only info we've gotten regarding the final was how great CT did at it and that Amber did pretty good too. Nothing about how poorly anyone else did or how someone lost it for them . It's not too difficult to piece PR's info and Gamer's info together along with the disgruntled cast now that Lolo spoke out. When is the last time you have Kam, Ashley, Tori, Leroy, Lolo, all pissed about similar things this season?
But you believe whatever you want. Lots of wishful thinking ^
^ I was replying to someone who implied that CT and Amber basically didn't do that great and only won because of the puzzle tho (which is what some people have been saying here)
I am arguing in favor of the opposite, they had it and then the puzzle crisis happened, leading to puzzle gate. Especially since there was talk about them both doing good, especially Amber. They mentioned that a Puzzle was related to their win, but never mentioned in what way. Most people thought it was because cory is not good at them, until now, thats what everyone thought. But now its supposedly the opposite. As I said, at the most it may have looked like Kam and Cory finishing theirs first would allow for them to win, but it still didn't. Something else was accounted for (and I think its time)
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
How would Ashley know? Since when is Ashley trustworthy about anything?
it's not hard to figure out trends. it's already been discussed how frequent with male elim days first with the exception of Rivals 1 and Bloodlines (only because Jenna and Brianna were the worst performers). and i believe cast members know a lot of what goes on than we think. plus ashley isn't the only cast member to share this view, she was the one who came to mind. Kam and Leroy also made comments
So Ashley is assuming based on the past while ignoring Rivals and Bloodlines? 3 people that wanted it to be a guy's elimination made comments without any facts--gotcha
never said fact buddy, heavily speculated. and if you can't grasp that it's a little off every recent season has been Male elimination days first but coincidentally switches up given the elimination matchup then we can just agree to disagree. plus it still doesn't negate Lolo's tweet saying Nam and others say he should've been DQ last episode. but you're right, just making comments
As much as people on this site enjoyed the results, I think final reckoning is the most rigged season. The producers seemingly changed the rules on a weekly basis and almost every elimination round was suspect due to "equalizers". The controversy over who actually won at the end is the cherry on top.
kvm tell me which other seasons then were more rigged than this one since you're such an expert
You don't even have any proof of any of your claims? But Invasion or The Duel wins that title.
how was the duel rigged?
I agree about Invasion. Surprise! CT again.
The Duel--just for starters--all the cards for Derrick vs. Wes were pole wrestle, the changed the rule to allow Svetlana to beat Beth, Brad didn't get the puzzle correct and they allowed him to go, the rigged the release so Robin couldn't beat Aneesa--CT actually got screwed that season because they saved Svetlana earlier
And, no, Invasion wasn't rigged for CT. It was allegedly rigged for Jenna (against Anika), Nelson (against Anthony), John winning safety on the first mission as they wanted Darrell vs. Zach, Shane & Sylvia winning Tuk Tuk Bang Bang, Ashley winning the whole thing, etc
This season we have Ashley making an assumption, Lolo making a claim because she's mad at production and gamer hoping something he heard is accurate.
never said fact buddy, heavily speculated. and if you can't grasp that it's a little off every recent season has been Male elimination days first but coincidentally switches up given the elimination matchup then we can just agree to disagree. plus it still doesn't negate Lolo's tweet saying Nam and others say he should've been DQ last episode. but you're right, just making comments
Heavily speculated means absolutely nothing. It means they're making an assumption.
Lolo has never accuesed production of cheating before, right? THis is brand new and she's obviously unbiased after being kicked off the show
The reality is any time an event, elimination or final is timed we have no clue who won--nor does the cast
As much as people on this site enjoyed the results, I think final reckoning is the most rigged season. The producers seemingly changed the rules on a weekly basis and almost every elimination round was suspect due to "equalizers". The controversy over who actually won at the end is the cherry on top.
Yeah, that final is definitely questionable at best as well
Im just gonna believe that the puzzle part was just one part of the game and that amber and ct did good in the rest of the parts so that it didnt matter their placement ultimately.
How has it been rigged?? If they were gonna rig it for him to get a skull, they would have during that mud pit challenge. Also since when did the spoiler pages say the puzzle won them the entire final? Just cause the person you wanted to win lost doesn't mean it was "rigged". Had Kam been his partner no one would be saying anything right now. You guys jumping to conclusions without seeing the final lmao
amber seems too happy on social media, i doubt there was any money twist
umm i still would have been upset lol and i like kam
Well you're upset regardless cause Darrell didn't win so that's not saying much.
yes I'm from Portugal and it's never late to learn
Right? Of course, if they were really a Darrell fan wouldn't they have quit watching the show after FM2 when they forced a redraft when Darrell took Laurel?
I'm laughing so hard rn lol
im saying thus far. the first elim was heavily suspected to be a male elim even ashley said it was gonna be a men's day until production saw ct vs wes. and lolo literally tweeted about big t being out of bounds but they wanted to make sure ct got his skull. i'm not commenting on the final other than saying a money stealing twist wouldn't be out of the question if he was the overall performer
The Darrell stan reminds me of a Cara Maria stan who makes everything about her too lmao
If CT and Amber B were winning regardless then why did the rules had to get changed? It shouldn't be hard to understand that Kam and Cory won for them to do that. I believe that CT and Amber B did good in the other stages, but it wasn't enough to beat Kam and Cory. They probably weren't far behind them in times, but were close enough to use the puzzle portion time to make them first place
Also, if Kam was CT's partner of course nothing would be said. Because the rules wouldn't get changed and Kam would've won fairly with him ;)
How would Ashley know? Since when is Ashley trustworthy about anything?
Then Kam should have went into the last elimination and we wouldn't be having this discussion
if production was smart they'll edit it to look like a blowout but there are going to be a lot of angry fans if they make it seem like the puzzle decides it or its close
most rigged season in challenge history
kvm tell me which other seasons then were more rigged than this one since you're such an expert
it's not hard to figure out trends. it's already been discussed how frequent with male elim days first with the exception of Rivals 1 and Bloodlines (only because Jenna and Brianna were the worst performers). and i believe cast members know a lot of what goes on than we think. plus ashley isn't the only cast member to share this view, she was the one who came to mind. Kam and Leroy also made comments
Thats why some people are saying maybe the rules didn't HAVE to be changed, that the puzzle was just an aspect that could have held them back but still did not. It probably wasnt what it seemed, they were probably unaware of the time thing and people are assuming there was a random change because CT won, like how that relic shit wasn't what it seemed. Or the first episode wasn't with the women/men day wasn't what it seemed. And how this double elmination next week isn't what it seemed to be.
Also, if Amber and CT wasn't winning regardless, then they wouldn't have been able to change it. People are taking it as the puzzle is the only reason they won, when it could have been the puzzle was about to be the only reason they lost. As I said, this happened to CT in rivals 1, if it wasn't for his partner he would have won. So probably, if it wasn't for the puzzle, he would have won
But honestly, after all of the "We don't know what to expect, everything isn't what it seems" talk, ya'll really think they wasn't gonna already pull it at the final?
What made me think the first elimination was intended for males was Ashley falling out of the harness. It feels like a huge oversight for it not to be tight enough, as if they were intended for two guys to go in. But , seeing how they made it longer for Leroy and Jay I'm not too sure. But, that was still too convenient for me.
You don't even have any proof of any of your claims? But Invasion or The Duel wins that title.
So Ashley is assuming based on the past while ignoring Rivals and Bloodlines? 3 people that wanted it to be a guy's elimination made comments without any facts--gotcha
the main thing PR has been saying for a long time regarding the final was about the puzzle and how well CT did. That's fine.
What changed everything today was Gamer revealing that production changed the rules of the puzzle after the fact. And that Amber got last place in it. We did not know that at all.
Besides today, the only info we've gotten regarding the final was how great CT did at it and that Amber did pretty good too. Nothing about how poorly anyone else did or how someone lost it for them . It's not too difficult to piece PR's info and Gamer's info together along with the disgruntled cast now that Lolo spoke out. When is the last time you have Kam, Ashley, Tori, Leroy, Lolo, all pissed about similar things this season?
But you believe whatever you want. Lots of wishful thinking ^
how was the duel rigged?
I agree about Invasion. Surprise! CT again.
^ I was replying to someone who implied that CT and Amber basically didn't do that great and only won because of the puzzle tho (which is what some people have been saying here)
I am arguing in favor of the opposite, they had it and then the puzzle crisis happened, leading to puzzle gate. Especially since there was talk about them both doing good, especially Amber. They mentioned that a Puzzle was related to their win, but never mentioned in what way. Most people thought it was because cory is not good at them, until now, thats what everyone thought. But now its supposedly the opposite. As I said, at the most it may have looked like Kam and Cory finishing theirs first would allow for them to win, but it still didn't. Something else was accounted for (and I think its time)
never said fact buddy, heavily speculated. and if you can't grasp that it's a little off every recent season has been Male elimination days first but coincidentally switches up given the elimination matchup then we can just agree to disagree. plus it still doesn't negate Lolo's tweet saying Nam and others say he should've been DQ last episode. but you're right, just making comments
beth vs svetlana
As much as people on this site enjoyed the results, I think final reckoning is the most rigged season. The producers seemingly changed the rules on a weekly basis and almost every elimination round was suspect due to "equalizers". The controversy over who actually won at the end is the cherry on top.
The Duel--just for starters--all the cards for Derrick vs. Wes were pole wrestle, the changed the rule to allow Svetlana to beat Beth, Brad didn't get the puzzle correct and they allowed him to go, the rigged the release so Robin couldn't beat Aneesa--CT actually got screwed that season because they saved Svetlana earlier
And, no, Invasion wasn't rigged for CT. It was allegedly rigged for Jenna (against Anika), Nelson (against Anthony), John winning safety on the first mission as they wanted Darrell vs. Zach, Shane & Sylvia winning Tuk Tuk Bang Bang, Ashley winning the whole thing, etc
This season we have Ashley making an assumption, Lolo making a claim because she's mad at production and gamer hoping something he heard is accurate.
Heavily speculated means absolutely nothing. It means they're making an assumption.
Lolo has never accuesed production of cheating before, right? THis is brand new and she's obviously unbiased after being kicked off the show
The reality is any time an event, elimination or final is timed we have no clue who won--nor does the cast
Yeah, that final is definitely questionable at best as well
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