People need to stop comparing an old school winner to someone who's won only recent challenges, they're completely different. Yeah Landon won FM2 which was middle era, but challenges are so different nowadays. Twists, certain eliminations, formats, certain casts, everything can affect how a person does. Darrell is living proof of this, same with Bananas, CT, etc. Landon was/is an absolutely beast but he could still lose if he came back.
Darrell is not proof of that. Darrell easily could have won Invasion. There's always been things that screwed you. ****, Veronica holds the record for being eliminated the most times without losing an elimination. 3 times in old school...2 times in the new era. There were always advantages and disadvantages. Do we blame Darrell because Cory is stupid and kept Tony? Anyone can lose. That's always been true but Landon and Darrell have earned their status. John isn't even in the discussion.
CT is also proof of how one could dominate the old score era and not win
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
Why Rachel? She is in way better shape than she was when she was doing these regularly.
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
Lol @ Kendal or Tori "surprising people" but Rachel somehow getting out early
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
Why Rachel? She is in way better shape than she was when she was doing these regularly.
Because the fear factor about her wouldn't exist. She made finals based on fear and being protected. I don't consider her in that Evelyn/Laurel/Emily S group--JMO
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
Lol @ Kendal or Tori "surprising people" but Rachel somehow getting out early
Kendal's far more likeable and Tori has existing relationships. Rachel always had Darrell or Mark with her when she did well (even on Inferno 2 Darrell was protecting Rachel on the other team). Rachel's a better competitor but those 2, especially Kendal, would have played the game. And I didn't say she would be--she's the only one I would bet on going out early. Cara definitely would have targetted her--John too if he had any say
Where do we rank ashley if she wins her third? How many girls have done that? Only 2?
I just don't see how we could put her with the elites (Evelyn, Emily S, Laurel) because she's not that type of threat. She plays a great game when she cares but is she really better than Coral or Veronica in their prime? Is she better than Cara or Camila? Rachel R or Jodi? I don't know. Ashley's one of the toughest people to rank IMO because there's so much good and bad.
She is really tough to rank. I’m not gonna take anything away from her, she earned her wins.. but she had some pretty good luck and weak competition. I would like to see her in a completely individual final, with no twists or bullshit but that’s not what the challenges are anymore. She’s a great athlete but I feel like Emily, Laurel, Jodi, Rachel, Evelyn would all crush her in a final, so it’s hard to get her in their category. But Ashley killed the game for what it was when she won, so I won’t take those away from her.
People need to stop comparing an old school winner to someone who's won only recent challenges, they're completely different. Yeah Landon won FM2 which was middle era, but challenges are so different nowadays. Twists, certain eliminations, formats, certain casts, everything can affect how a person does. Darrell is living proof of this, same with Bananas, CT, etc. Landon was/is an absolutely beast but he could still lose if he came back.
Darrell is not proof of that. Darrell easily could have won Invasion. There's always been things that screwed you. ****, Veronica holds the record for being eliminated the most times without losing an elimination. 3 times in old school...2 times in the new era. There were always advantages and disadvantages. Do we blame Darrell because Cory is stupid and kept Tony? Anyone can lose. That's always been true but Landon and Darrell have earned their status. John isn't even in the discussion.
CT is also proof of how one could dominate the old score era and not win
How can you say Darrell isn't proof of that, then explain how Darrell IS proof of it.. He lost because of the format.. that's exactly my point. And my list wasn't about status at all, it was about people who have been big winners and have also lost due to the game's circumstances. It's like you're trying to be argumentative but we are making the same point...
People need to stop comparing an old school winner to someone who's won only recent challenges, they're completely different. Yeah Landon won FM2 which was middle era, but challenges are so different nowadays. Twists, certain eliminations, formats, certain casts, everything can affect how a person does. Darrell is living proof of this, same with Bananas, CT, etc. Landon was/is an absolutely beast but he could still lose if he came back.
Darrell is not proof of that. Darrell easily could have won Invasion. There's always been things that screwed you. ****, Veronica holds the record for being eliminated the most times without losing an elimination. 3 times in old school...2 times in the new era. There were always advantages and disadvantages. Do we blame Darrell because Cory is stupid and kept Tony? Anyone can lose. That's always been true but Landon and Darrell have earned their status. John isn't even in the discussion.
CT is also proof of how one could dominate the old score era and not win
How can you say Darrell isn't proof of that, then explain how Darrell IS proof of it.. He lost because of the format.. that's exactly my point. And my slot wasn't about status at all, it was about people who have been big winners and have also lost due to the game's circumstances. It's like you're trying to be argumentative but we are making the same point...
Because format has hurt people in all eras. Everyone has lost due to circumstances in every era. Well, those that have lost. Comparing winners of all eras is acceptable--that's where we disagree which is fine. We don't have to agree.
I just wish Nany was here to win too.
Darrell is not proof of that. Darrell easily could have won Invasion. There's always been things that screwed you. ****, Veronica holds the record for being eliminated the most times without losing an elimination. 3 times in old school...2 times in the new era. There were always advantages and disadvantages. Do we blame Darrell because Cory is stupid and kept Tony? Anyone can lose. That's always been true but Landon and Darrell have earned their status. John isn't even in the discussion.
CT is also proof of how one could dominate the old score era and not win
yup the formats of the challenges suck so bad these days that if Landon, Rach, Emily and Ev ever come back they would be out before the midway point.
He hasn't beat anyone though. It would like praising Landon for taking out Karamo and Dan. Or Isaac.
It is also just a lot harder to win these days. Great competitors are going out early more often. Look at Laurel this season.
Rachel's the only one in that group that I would bet on being out early. I think Kendal and Tori would have surprised a lot of people if MTV wasn't stupid this season. And I hate Tori
Why Rachel? She is in way better shape than she was when she was doing these regularly.
Ugh I can't wait anymore. Im going to cry. Please win Ashley.
Preferably without Cara!
Cara is winning
Legend Theo will come back even better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
By cheating.
Lol @ Kendal or Tori "surprising people" but Rachel somehow getting out early
Sure, thats okay
The only way she can win is to cheat and have her boyfriends and cousins carry her to wins.
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn.....
I think Tori and Leroy won.
Because the fear factor about her wouldn't exist. She made finals based on fear and being protected. I don't consider her in that Evelyn/Laurel/Emily S group--JMO
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Since they went back to Phuket.. Is it possible it was the same final as The Ruins? Lololol
I wish
Kendal's far more likeable and Tori has existing relationships. Rachel always had Darrell or Mark with her when she did well (even on Inferno 2 Darrell was protecting Rachel on the other team). Rachel's a better competitor but those 2, especially Kendal, would have played the game. And I didn't say she would be--she's the only one I would bet on going out early. Cara definitely would have targetted her--John too if he had any say
Legend ?
She is really tough to rank. I’m not gonna take anything away from her, she earned her wins.. but she had some pretty good luck and weak competition. I would like to see her in a completely individual final, with no twists or bullshit but that’s not what the challenges are anymore. She’s a great athlete but I feel like Emily, Laurel, Jodi, Rachel, Evelyn would all crush her in a final, so it’s hard to get her in their category. But Ashley killed the game for what it was when she won, so I won’t take those away from her.
I can't keep refreshing.
How can you say Darrell isn't proof of that, then explain how Darrell IS proof of it.. He lost because of the format.. that's exactly my point. And my list wasn't about status at all, it was about people who have been big winners and have also lost due to the game's circumstances. It's like you're trying to be argumentative but we are making the same point...
Save urself the trouble and come back in the morning.
Because format has hurt people in all eras. Everyone has lost due to circumstances in every era. Well, those that have lost. Comparing winners of all eras is acceptable--that's where we disagree which is fine. We don't have to agree.
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