CT has 11 losses (maybe 12 after this season) while Aneesa has 12...John lost his 9th. At least one of Camila/Cara will have 9 seasons without a win and they start years after John. Robin has as many losses as John. Jenna and Cory are well on their way. The more seasons you do the more you're going to lose. Darrell's winning percentage is clearly better than John's.
John deserves credit for not seeing a ton of eliminations but he also doesn't see many because he goes home often when he does see one. He went home on the first he elimination he saw on The Duel (Tyler), The Gaunlet 3 (Evan), Cutthroat (Tyler via CT), Invasion (Darrell) & Bloodlines (Cara/Jamie). On Exes 2 he went home both times he was thrown in. That's 7 losses. And, to be honest, none are bad losses. He won late on Rivals, The Ruins, Exes & Rivals 3 and managed to win. I don't consider anything we saw on The Island to be an elimination round. The only seasons he truly dodges elimination rounds were The Inferno 3 & Rivals II. Free Agents was the only time he really saw multiple eliminations and, to his credit, he won 3. He's not great in eliminations but he does play a strong political game--he gets credit for that. We'll see how this season plays out but the objective is to avoid eliminations which CT has now mastered. Much like Jenn did.
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
I'm actually going to agree with KVM on this one. The list is ridiculous and Landon is a beast. I wish he would come back. He won with Carly, that says it all.
I think this season will have a lot of crapshoot eliminations , cause there's no way Cara is losing in anything physical with these broads in this cast, so likely Leroy and tony could've gone home in any type of elimination
lol this did sound like an excuse but idk, it's hard to imagine for me but definitely not impossible
CT has 11 losses (maybe 12 after this season) while Aneesa has 12...John lost his 9th. At least one of Camila/Cara will have 9 seasons without a win and they start years after John. Robin has as many losses as John. Jenna and Cory are well on their way. The more seasons you do the more you're going to lose. Darrell's winning percentage is clearly better than John's.John deserves credit for not seeing a ton of eliminations but he also doesn't see many because he goes home often when he does see one. He went home on the first he elimination he saw on The Duel (Tyler), The Gaunlet 3 (Evan), Cutthroat (Tyler via CT), Invasion (Darrell) & Bloodlines (Cara/Jamie). On Exes 2 he went home both times he was thrown in. That's 7 losses. And, to be honest, none are bad losses. He won late on Rivals, The Ruins, Exes & Rivals 3 and managed to win. I don't consider anything we saw on The Island to be an elimination round. The only seasons he truly dodges elimination rounds were The Inferno 3 & Rivals II. Free Agents was the only time he really saw multiple eliminations and, to his credit, he won 3. He's not great in eliminations but he does play a strong political game--he gets credit for that. We'll see how this season plays out but the objective is to avoid eliminations which CT has now mastered. Much like Jenn did.
You forgot to mention his biggest strength.. Missions..
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the past
some of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.
also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the pastsome of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
And there's no such thing as "too old" to compete. The new guys all suck--see the guys that have won since Seasons if you don't believe me.
Just to help you...CT/Wes, Johnny, Jordan (only because he had Sarah), Jamie (because of Cara and he was, what, 30?), Johnny, CT and now CT/Derrick/Jordan.
We all know Landon would crush these "kids"...who aren't even really young any more. They're approaching their mid-20s when they show up on The Real World.
"Too old & out of shape" but The Kang just won Champs v.s. Pros and was the Headhunter of Invasion, Shane blew all of the Underdogs out of the water, Derrick made it to the end on his official return & Queen V made it halfway & at least kept up with all the other girls (its been said she may have also won an elimination) at the age of 39......
"Too old & out of shape" but The Kang just won Champs v.s. Pros and was the Headhunter of Invasion, Shane blew all of the Underdogs out of the water, Derrick made it to the end on his official return & Queen V made it halfway & at least kept up with all the other girls (its been said she may have also won an elimination) at the age of 39......
i love queen v but jonnaslayy actually said that her performance wasn't the best. She had really bad endurance
I agree with alot of this. U ppl r sleeping on old schoolers. Have yall seen Alton now he is in great shape and he brought drama on his return szn as did Trishelle. Veronica returned and made it close to the final also potentially winning an elimination. Shane brought a ton of drama and competition and proved to be a good addition to the cast. Derrick K returned and sent home John got into some drama and made the final on his return szn. The Kang came in and destroyed on invasion sending home 2 competitors and making it halfway he also won champs vs pros and had a glimpse of drama on there. So df u mean old schoolers are too old and boring
"Too old & out of shape" but The Kang just won Champs v.s. Pros and was the Headhunter of Invasion, Shane blew all of the Underdogs out of the water, Derrick made it to the end on his official return & Queen V made it halfway & at least kept up with all the other girls (its been said she may have also won an elimination) at the age of 39......
i love queen v but jonnaslayy actually said that her performance wasn't the best. She had really bad endurance
"Too old & out of shape" but The Kang just won Champs v.s. Pros and was the Headhunter of Invasion, Shane blew all of the Underdogs out of the water, Derrick made it to the end on his official return & Queen V made it halfway & at least kept up with all the other girls (its been said she may have also won an elimination) at the age of 39......
i love queen v but jonnaslayy actually said that her performance wasn't the best. She had really bad endurance
Veronica never was an elite competitor and I'm not surprised after 8 years away she wasn't in her best shape. Let's hope she wants to do another one and we'll see if an additional 6 months or so of training helps her get back to the level she used to be at. Veronica, like Susie, was more of a political mastermind than anything else though.
I also don't think anyone wants to see the old schoolers come back and do five straight seasons or anything. Two or three then a break is still very much needed but to suggest they don't add to the show is just stupid. "Too old"...they're in their mid to late 30s in most cases. Still very young. Mark Long is 45 and Beth is even older but most of the people we're talking about haven't even hit 40 yet.
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the pastsome of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
I'm also gonna add Abram on Bloodlines to that too. He was one of the few good things about that season.
I also disagree about Old Schoolers being able to save this show. You can't rely on them for that. The Show's future are going to be with the new kids wether you like it or not.
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the pastsome of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
I'm also gonna add Abram on Bloodlines to that too. He was one of the few good things about that season.
Agreed Abram did everything he could to try to save Bloodlines...sad that he was only a replacement.
I will fully admit that eventually some old schoolers will come back and flop (we saw Darrell go out early this time but thankfully he impressed on Invasion and won CvP) but taking a chance on some of them can't only help. Especially if it gives us a break from the regulars. We also need them to do a better job incoperating new people--or at least do a better job of picking the newbies.
The cast for Season 31 is going to be very telling. I'd be very happy to see a season with Camila, Cara, Jenna, Cory, Nelson, CT & John but I know that's just a fantasy.
Watching this season play out is going to be very intriguing. I'm looking forward to some real game play...finally
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the pastsome of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
I'm also gonna add Abram on Bloodlines to that too. He was one of the few good things about that season.I also disagree about Old Schoolers being able to save this show. You can't rely on them for that. The Show's future are going to be with the new kids wether you like it or not.
I also don't think Landon is ever coming back...Unless they really bump up the prize money or he wants to give to charity then count him out.
I don't know...money talks. If this Season 30 has the huge bump that seems to be rumored and confirmed on previews I don't know why he wouldn't return. But, yes, CvP 2 is a more likely fit for him IMO. It's hard for competitors to turn down the chance to compete.
Challenge 17 wrote:Johnny has the most wins but he has 11 losses, as opposed to Darrell's 4. Johnny has the most wins but he has the most losses as well lol.
I'm pretty sure he's 6/15 but whatever
CT has a bunch of losses so does anessa. Johnny still the GOAT hate or love em even the show recognized it. Number 1 on the last count down and chill and the gap between bananas and CT is huge
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
people are living too much in the pastsome of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
I'm also gonna add Abram on Bloodlines to that too. He was one of the few good things about that season.I also disagree about Old Schoolers being able to save this show. You can't rely on them for that. The Show's future are going to be with the new kids wether you like it or not.
Then let the Legends educate them.
Educate on what? What would they teach them that they don't already know lol. Like the new kids are doing the same shit the old-schoolers are doing back in the day. The only difference now is we got people who are pushed endlessy as being the end all be all of this show and we need people to come for them.
Lol @ those countdowns being taken seriously when they had Evelyn (who I've never liked) as a ******* honorable mention but Trashmila at #3.
CT has 11 losses (maybe 12 after this season) while Aneesa has 12...John lost his 9th. At least one of Camila/Cara will have 9 seasons without a win and they start years after John. Robin has as many losses as John. Jenna and Cory are well on their way. The more seasons you do the more you're going to lose. Darrell's winning percentage is clearly better than John's.
John deserves credit for not seeing a ton of eliminations but he also doesn't see many because he goes home often when he does see one. He went home on the first he elimination he saw on The Duel (Tyler), The Gaunlet 3 (Evan), Cutthroat (Tyler via CT), Invasion (Darrell) & Bloodlines (Cara/Jamie). On Exes 2 he went home both times he was thrown in. That's 7 losses. And, to be honest, none are bad losses. He won late on Rivals, The Ruins, Exes & Rivals 3 and managed to win. I don't consider anything we saw on The Island to be an elimination round. The only seasons he truly dodges elimination rounds were The Inferno 3 & Rivals II. Free Agents was the only time he really saw multiple eliminations and, to his credit, he won 3. He's not great in eliminations but he does play a strong political game--he gets credit for that. We'll see how this season plays out but the objective is to avoid eliminations which CT has now mastered. Much like Jenn did.
That list was a joke to promote current competitors. No Landon, no Alton, no Rachel R and no Evelyn. It was a joke. The reality is...Johnny is great but he's not in the same league (in terms of being an athlete or competitor) as the top guys. Landon's the great of all time and he doesn't really have competition other than Alton (pre-Seasons).
Top 5 Challenge Champs imo
1. Landon
2. Darrell
3. Alton
4. Miz
5. Tyler
Females
1. Evelyn
2. Rachel R.
3. Veronica
4. Queen Aviv
5. Emily
I'm actually going to agree with KVM on this one. The list is ridiculous and Landon is a beast. I wish he would come back. He won with Carly, that says it all.
Damn, wish Landon and Evelyn would be back... Sucks that they're both done with the show.
lol this did sound like an excuse but idk, it's hard to imagine for me but definitely not impossible
You forgot to mention his biggest strength.. Missions..
people are living too much in the past
some of the old school vets are Now too old or out of shape.
also can 40 year olds bring the drama like 20 year olds? Do we want to see thatttZN
Someone isn't paying attention to Shane, Darrell & CT. And the list isn't about who would win today. It was about the best ever. Shane brought more (and better drama) then we've seen in years. Thankfully Old Schoolers seem to want to come back--they're all that can save this show.
Landon will be back, likely on a spinoff first, then a regular Challenge. I'm calling it.
And there's no such thing as "too old" to compete. The new guys all suck--see the guys that have won since Seasons if you don't believe me.
Just to help you...CT/Wes, Johnny, Jordan (only because he had Sarah), Jamie (because of Cara and he was, what, 30?), Johnny, CT and now CT/Derrick/Jordan.
We all know Landon would crush these "kids"...who aren't even really young any more. They're approaching their mid-20s when they show up on The Real World.
"Too old & out of shape" but The Kang just won Champs v.s. Pros and was the Headhunter of Invasion, Shane blew all of the Underdogs out of the water, Derrick made it to the end on his official return & Queen V made it halfway & at least kept up with all the other girls (its been said she may have also won an elimination) at the age of 39......
i love queen v but jonnaslayy actually said that her performance wasn't the best. She had really bad endurance
When Beth blows all these broads out of the water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When Kailah doesn't like Britni.... Don't like kailah anymore, bye
I agree with alot of this. U ppl r sleeping on old schoolers. Have yall seen Alton now he is in great shape and he brought drama on his return szn as did Trishelle. Veronica returned and made it close to the final also potentially winning an elimination. Shane brought a ton of drama and competition and proved to be a good addition to the cast. Derrick K returned and sent home John got into some drama and made the final on his return szn. The Kang came in and destroyed on invasion sending home 2 competitors and making it halfway he also won champs vs pros and had a glimpse of drama on there. So df u mean old schoolers are too old and boring
but she still made it far
Veronica didn't win an elimination, that info was misinterpreted.
Veronica never was an elite competitor and I'm not surprised after 8 years away she wasn't in her best shape. Let's hope she wants to do another one and we'll see if an additional 6 months or so of training helps her get back to the level she used to be at. Veronica, like Susie, was more of a political mastermind than anything else though.
I also don't think anyone wants to see the old schoolers come back and do five straight seasons or anything. Two or three then a break is still very much needed but to suggest they don't add to the show is just stupid. "Too old"...they're in their mid to late 30s in most cases. Still very young. Mark Long is 45 and Beth is even older but most of the people we're talking about haven't even hit 40 yet.
queen let the other broads knock heads while she sat pretty in the stands #ICONIC
I'm also gonna add Abram on Bloodlines to that too. He was one of the few good things about that season.
I also disagree about Old Schoolers being able to save this show. You can't rely on them for that. The Show's future are going to be with the new kids wether you like it or not.
I also don't think Landon is ever coming back...Unless they really bump up the prize money or he wants to give to charity then count him out.
Agreed Abram did everything he could to try to save Bloodlines...sad that he was only a replacement.
I will fully admit that eventually some old schoolers will come back and flop (we saw Darrell go out early this time but thankfully he impressed on Invasion and won CvP) but taking a chance on some of them can't only help. Especially if it gives us a break from the regulars. We also need them to do a better job incoperating new people--or at least do a better job of picking the newbies.
The cast for Season 31 is going to be very telling. I'd be very happy to see a season with Camila, Cara, Jenna, Cory, Nelson, CT & John but I know that's just a fantasy.
Watching this season play out is going to be very intriguing. I'm looking forward to some real game play...finally
Then let the Legends educate them.
I don't know...money talks. If this Season 30 has the huge bump that seems to be rumored and confirmed on previews I don't know why he wouldn't return. But, yes, CvP 2 is a more likely fit for him IMO. It's hard for competitors to turn down the chance to compete.
I really don't care to see Landon back. He's like Emily to me, great competitor but boring as ****.
Educate on what? What would they teach them that they don't already know lol. Like the new kids are doing the same shit the old-schoolers are doing back in the day. The only difference now is we got people who are pushed endlessy as being the end all be all of this show and we need people to come for them.
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