Sarah won. Bananas helped her. Instead of having Sarah and Jordan go against Wes and Theresa, he made a deal with Sarah and Jordan and sent in his friend. Even though he didn't say Leroy's name he had a hand in them going in. Sarah was not his best friend in real life. In fact he and Leroy are closer and he screwed over Leroy and people like to ignore that fact.
Which is what Nia was pissed off about while Leroy sitting there talking about "I'll do the dirty work, I'm a Garbageman" smhThey probably just laughed it off & John gave him a pat on the back & all was well.
Nia really wanted to attack Nany and that gave her a reason. She was more pissed off at Sarah putting in Bananas and went crazy then. Bananas loved it when she was attacking Sarah. It was like he let his dog off her leash.
It's not in Leroy's character to be all crazy. He doesn't let the Challenge affect the type of person he is.
sarah said her ideal botsexes team would be - herself, laurel, susie, cara maria, aneesa, camila, averey
And the ♕ CORAL!
For sure! And then we can bring in LaToya, Jenna T., Kailah, CeeJai, Nia, Jill, KellyAnne, Candice/Rianna/Larissa, Nany, Jessica, Ashley M., Sylvia, Violetta, Nicole Z., Queen Jenny, Hailey, and Sahar. I'm down for this female cast tbh.
He screwed over Paula and didn't care. Simple. And then Sarah screwed him over and she didn't care. Simple.
Nah...she did care. When you have downplay a relationship so much in order to justify a move that can be justified by saying "it was best for my game."; there must have been some cognitive dissonace in Sarah to rationalize it all.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Sarah won. Bananas helped her. Instead of having Sarah and Jordan go against Wes and Theresa, he made a deal with Sarah and Jordan and sent in his friend. Even though he didn't say Leroy's name he had a hand in them going in. Sarah was not his best friend in real life. In fact he and Leroy are closer and he screwed over Leroy and people like to ignore that fact.
Exactly. He has no right to be a ***** to Sarah. Period.
I think the main problem isn't the move, it's how she handled it later. Johnny's been thrown to the wolves before (Gauntlet III and The Ruins) but he didn't act like he acted in here. The biggest problem he has with this situation IMO is the "We were never friends" thing as a way to justify her move. Just say "I did it to win, it was the smartest move I could do" and don't play the "You're not my friend card". If you don't consider me your friend I won't have any incentive to treat you well. From what I understood, what he did in the Challenge was ignore her, which is exactly what I do to people I don't like.
Sarah has never been able to own up to her mistakes...watch her on RW brooklyn. There is a reason all the guys on her cast couldn't stand her because she is a hypocrite and can never see her wrongs.
I'm glad Johnny is treating her this way. She DESERVES it.
Sarah plays this innocent good person card and she is far from it.
It's also an entirely different move. You do realize if he hadn't done that to Paula he would have been sent home right? Evelyn was going to send him home. I don't see it as a screwing over if it's a you or me situation. Why wouldn't he pick himself over her? He was callous about it with the "looking out for number one" thing...but anyone else on that show would make that move and if they say otherwise they're a liar. Kenny and Derrick also said Paula was there when they made the deal with Evelyn and she knew it was coming and did that whole thing for the cameras. Johnny did NOT screw Paula...simple. Sarah did not make a do or die move. She was safe. She was just trying to make her road easier. It was 10000000% the right move to make, but it wasn't life or death for her in game terms to make it.
Listening to sarahs podcast it's evident that Sarah still isn't johnnys biggest fan. She likes Wes much more than she likes Johnny.
on a side note I think Johnny truly lucked out by getting Sarah As a partner this time around . If it were not her It would have been him vs Wes and Sarah from a political standpoint ocoming into this game and unless he had gotten another top female as a partner I couldve seen him having a very hard time with the overall lack of alliances and sturdy support. The other strong female competitors in the house Camila, Kelly Anne don't exactly have his back either
It's also an entirely different move. You do realize if he hadn't done that to Paula he would have been sent home right? Evelyn was going to send him home. I don't see it as a screwing over if it's a you or me situation. Why wouldn't he pick himself over her? He was callous about it with the "looking out for number one" thing...but anyone else on that show would make that move and if they say otherwise they're a liar. Kenny and Derrick also said Paula was there when they made the deal with Evelyn and she knew it was coming and did that whole thing for the cameras. Johnny did NOT screw Paula...simple. Sarah did not make a do or die move. She was safe. She was just trying to make her road easier. It was 10000000% the right move to make, but it wasn't life or death for her in game terms to make it.
But in essence, her move was a 'me or you' type of situation, no? She felt as if she wasn't able to win if she had not sent him home. She wanted to better her chances. Second place is only first place loser. So really, every move everyone makes is a 'me or you' move in this game. All for the common goal of winning and there can only be one winning team. I don't seem the difference in their move.
i dont know y people keep saying that sarah played it off as if they were not friends after the move. every medium that i have seen, including the reunion, showed sarah saying that she did like johnny as a friend but not enough to jeopardize her losing milions of dollars. at the reunion she said that she johnny has some good qualities but not enough to warrant a placement in her selected group of friends that she would never back stab. there was no revision on how she felt about their friendship. was there a clip that i missed of her saying that she and johnny were like best friends or something? sarah seemed to be more of kenny and evans friends than she was johnnys. she was only seemed to be friends with johnny by default
i dont know y people keep saying that sarah played it off as if they were not friends after the move. every medium that i have seen, including the reunion, showed sarah saying that she did like johnny as a friend but not enough to jeopardize her losing milions of dollars. at the reunion she said that she johnny has some good qualities but not enough to warrant a placement in her selected group of friends that she would never back stab. there was no revision on how she felt about their friendship. was there a clip that i missed of her saying that she and johnny were like best friends or something? sarah seemed to be more of kenny and evans friends than she was johnnys. she was only seemed to be friends with johnny by default
She did make statements that Johnny and her hardly hanged out, and they aren't close outside the show in the reunion. She never said they weren't friends, but she did say, they weren't close at all. Like that he never called her for her birthdays, or something along those lines.
i dont know y people keep saying that sarah played it off as if they were not friends after the move. every medium that i have seen, including the reunion, showed sarah saying that she did like johnny as a friend but not enough to jeopardize her losing milions of dollars. at the reunion she said that she johnny has some good qualities but not enough to warrant a placement in her selected group of friends that she would never back stab. there was no revision on how she felt about their friendship. was there a clip that i missed of her saying that she and johnny were like best friends or something? sarah seemed to be more of kenny and evans friends than she was johnnys. she was only seemed to be friends with johnny by default
They did train together before some of the challenges & they always worked together on every show before Sarah stabbed Bananas in the back. So they may not have been best friends, but they were still friends in my book. You keep going out of your way to make excuses for what Sarah did. Let's just call it what it was a great game move, but a ****** thing to do to a so called friend.
They were friends but Johnny isn't worth 100k to Anyone but his mom. Sarah said they hung out like once before when they went rock climbing...before a challenge which indicated that he was just trying to butter her up
they did work together but only just to use one another for their own self serving purposes. Obviously Johnnys utility was used up by the end of exes 2 so Sarah did the right thing by tossing him in the garbage bin after his batteries ran out
they were just using each other. There's nothing deep or significant about their friendship so there's no reason for Sarah to keep someone worthless around that may in fact get in her way(by beating her in the final)
i mean she said it herself that he doesn't even greet her on her most important day of the year
it may or may not be ****** but you really can't sympathize with him in anyway when you consider what he did to Leroy...someone that he actually considers his best friend which is not the case of how Sarah sees John
They were friends but Johnny isn't worth 100k to Anyone but his mom. Sarah said they hung out like once before when they went rock climbing...before a challenge which indicated that he was just trying to butter her up they did work together but only just to use one another for their own self serving purposes. Obviously Johnnys utility was used up by the end of exes 2 so Sarah did the right thing by tossing him in the garbage bin after his batteries ran outthey were just using each other. There's nothing deep or significant about their friendship so there's no reason for Sarah to keep someone worthless around that may in fact get in her way(by beating her in the final) i mean she said it herself that he doesn't even greet her on her most important day of the year it may or may not be ****** but you really can't sympathize with him in anyway when you consider what he did to Leroy...someone that he actually considers his best friend which is not the case of how Sarah sees John
I like sarah..but there is a reason why she feels guilt about what she did...she has said on her podcast that she does care about him and has hung out with him outside the show...(but when she does this she does it quietly..so if you are not paying attention..you wont hear it)...I hope they resolved some of their crap while on the show...i think the biggest misconception is that johnny was mad at her because she screwed him out of money..when in fact its because she said they werent friends...and justifitying what she did by calling out how he behaves outside the show instead of just owning up to it...
I like sarah..but there is a reason why she feels guilt about what she did...she has said on her podcast that she does care about him and has hung out with him outside the show...(but when she does this she does it quietly..so if you are not paying attention..you wont hear it)...I hope they resolved some of their crap while on the show...i think the biggest misconception is that johnny was mad at her because she screwed him out of money..when in fact its because she said they werent friends...and justifitying what she did by calling out how he behaves outside the show instead of just owning up to it...
im pretty sure johnny was going after her life and attacking her right after the decision even before she had the chance to say that they werent good friends
everything i've listened to from sarah has always made it seem like he was a friendly coworker at best that she might get coffee with once a year but will ultimately forget about once she leaves the job and not really notice in an obituary 20 years down the road
Sarah's powerplay on Exes 2 doesn't make her a bad person, but every time she opens up her mouth about it, she makes herself look worse. She tries to defend it when there isn't really a defence. Have any of the top dogs ever tried to justify a powerplay in the history of the show? No, because they know the moment they do, it turns into a morality check. There's no justification. She should just let Bananas talk. Let him dig his own grave. The way she tries to defend herself - even now - is honestly kind of cringy. On top of that, her Challenge reaction videos with Susie are sad to watch. I skipped through both of the videos that are up and Susie literally doesn't pay attention to the show at all lol. Sarah's basically just begging her for praise and talking about random AYTO kids the whole time.
Nia really wanted to attack Nany and that gave her a reason. She was more pissed off at Sarah putting in Bananas and went crazy then. Bananas loved it when she was attacking Sarah. It was like he let his dog off her leash.
It's not in Leroy's character to be all crazy. He doesn't let the Challenge affect the type of person he is.
sarah said her ideal botsexes team would be - herself, laurel, susie, cara maria, aneesa, camila, averey
LOL @ Susie being in that. I get that she's her friend but still....LOL!
And the ♕ CORAL!
For sure! And then we can bring in LaToya, Jenna T., Kailah, CeeJai, Nia, Jill, KellyAnne, Candice/Rianna/Larissa, Nany, Jessica, Ashley M., Sylvia, Violetta, Nicole Z., Queen Jenny, Hailey, and Sahar. I'm down for this female cast tbh.
Nah...she did care. When you have downplay a relationship so much in order to justify a move that can be justified by saying "it was best for my game."; there must have been some cognitive dissonace in Sarah to rationalize it all.
Sarah has never been able to own up to her mistakes...watch her on RW brooklyn. There is a reason all the guys on her cast couldn't stand her because she is a hypocrite and can never see her wrongs.
I'm glad Johnny is treating her this way. She DESERVES it.
Sarah plays this innocent good person card and she is far from it.
Listening to sarahs podcast it's evident that Sarah still isn't johnnys biggest fan. She likes Wes much more than she likes Johnny.
on a side note I think Johnny truly lucked out by getting Sarah As a partner this time around . If it were not her It would have been him vs Wes and Sarah from a political standpoint ocoming into this game and unless he had gotten another top female as a partner I couldve seen him having a very hard time with the overall lack of alliances and sturdy support. The other strong female competitors in the house Camila, Kelly Anne don't exactly have his back either
Camila will always have Johnny's back. Especially since Tony/Bananas are friends and became cool on Bloodlines
But in essence, her move was a 'me or you' type of situation, no? She felt as if she wasn't able to win if she had not sent him home. She wanted to better her chances. Second place is only first place loser. So really, every move everyone makes is a 'me or you' move in this game. All for the common goal of winning and there can only be one winning team. I don't seem the difference in their move.
Camilla would've pulled a Sarah because Johnny has screwed her over.
Honestly I hate to say it but Johnny can do whatever to Camila and she will always be there.
i dont know y people keep saying that sarah played it off as if they were not friends after the move. every medium that i have seen, including the reunion, showed sarah saying that she did like johnny as a friend but not enough to jeopardize her losing milions of dollars. at the reunion she said that she johnny has some good qualities but not enough to warrant a placement in her selected group of friends that she would never back stab. there was no revision on how she felt about their friendship. was there a clip that i missed of her saying that she and johnny were like best friends or something? sarah seemed to be more of kenny and evans friends than she was johnnys. she was only seemed to be friends with johnny by default
Which makes her a ******* Idiot and another reason to hate her guts.
She did make statements that Johnny and her hardly hanged out, and they aren't close outside the show in the reunion. She never said they weren't friends, but she did say, they weren't close at all. Like that he never called her for her birthdays, or something along those lines.
They did train together before some of the challenges & they always worked together on every show before Sarah stabbed Bananas in the back. So they may not have been best friends, but they were still friends in my book. You keep going out of your way to make excuses for what Sarah did. Let's just call it what it was a great game move, but a ****** thing to do to a so called friend.
They were friends but Johnny isn't worth 100k to Anyone but his mom. Sarah said they hung out like once before when they went rock climbing...before a challenge which indicated that he was just trying to butter her up
they did work together but only just to use one another for their own self serving purposes. Obviously Johnnys utility was used up by the end of exes 2 so Sarah did the right thing by tossing him in the garbage bin after his batteries ran out
they were just using each other. There's nothing deep or significant about their friendship so there's no reason for Sarah to keep someone worthless around that may in fact get in her way(by beating her in the final)
i mean she said it herself that he doesn't even greet her on her most important day of the year
it may or may not be ****** but you really can't sympathize with him in anyway when you consider what he did to Leroy...someone that he actually considers his best friend which is not the case of how Sarah sees John
She downplayed their relationship. She acted as if they were challenge friends but they were more than that....
She downplayed their relationship. She acted as if they were challenge friends but they were more than that....
This is everything. Well said. Perfection.
I like sarah..but there is a reason why she feels guilt about what she did...she has said on her podcast that she does care about him and has hung out with him outside the show...(but when she does this she does it quietly..so if you are not paying attention..you wont hear it)...I hope they resolved some of their crap while on the show...i think the biggest misconception is that johnny was mad at her because she screwed him out of money..when in fact its because she said they werent friends...and justifitying what she did by calling out how he behaves outside the show instead of just owning up to it...
JFC!
(Also it's best to not quote the spoiler)
im pretty sure johnny was going after her life and attacking her right after the decision even before she had the chance to say that they werent good friends
everything i've listened to from sarah has always made it seem like he was a friendly coworker at best that she might get coffee with once a year but will ultimately forget about once she leaves the job and not really notice in an obituary 20 years down the road
Did this stupid ***** really just spoil the winner? Is that a totally ok thing to do now? What a ******* *******. Or a complete idiot.
If someone else post an spoiler on a non spoiler thread ! Just sent me a pm and I will make sure Bacchuss block them
Sarah's powerplay on Exes 2 doesn't make her a bad person, but every time she opens up her mouth about it, she makes herself look worse. She tries to defend it when there isn't really a defence. Have any of the top dogs ever tried to justify a powerplay in the history of the show? No, because they know the moment they do, it turns into a morality check. There's no justification. She should just let Bananas talk. Let him dig his own grave. The way she tries to defend herself - even now - is honestly kind of cringy. On top of that, her Challenge reaction videos with Susie are sad to watch. I skipped through both of the videos that are up and Susie literally doesn't pay attention to the show at all lol. Sarah's basically just begging her for praise and talking about random AYTO kids the whole time.
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