If this is just a spin-off and only on Paramount+, Jordan is still a top 2 performer but this is not like his other wins. Cant cherry pick here. Either count all of them spin-offs (champs vs series, all stars etc) or none. But i think since Kaz, Troy and the others were referred to as Champions, this will be televised as Season 39 as they should. I mean, the casting was top notch in terms of competition.
To me but I understand the point being made. I countless Champs vs, All Stars, this, etc as spinoffs. Love Jonna but I don't consider her wins to be the same as Ev or Cara...she's just the best All Star female competitor.
Jonna all stars seasons were longer to film than anything Evelyn filmed & won.
It's not the length of filming for me
Then what is it? Longer filming, less freedom, more physical/mentally demanding & harder to win since it's not big teams like most challenges from back in the day. The spin-offs since All Stars 1 to now are more demanding than any challenge before Rivals 1.
Ironically, i think Jordan wouldnt have won as many challenges in those team challenges as Darrell for exemple. Darrell was well liked, Jordan ****** off a lot of people ********
To me but I understand the point being made. I countless Champs vs, All Stars, this, etc as spinoffs. Love Jonna but I don't consider her wins to be the same as Ev or Cara...she's just the best All Star female competitor.
Jonna all stars seasons were longer to film than anything Evelyn filmed & won.
It's not the length of filming for me
Then what is it.
Main show vs others
Casting isn't remotely the same for All Stars
Still impressive but I don't count them a "Challenge" wins. Do people count Darrell Cara John Emily CT and Tony in Champs vs?
To me but I understand the point being made. I countless Champs vs, All Stars, this, etc as spinoffs. Love Jonna but I don't consider her wins to be the same as Ev or Cara...she's just the best All Star female competitor.
Jonna all stars seasons were longer to film than anything Evelyn filmed & won.
It's not the length of filming for me
Then what is it? Longer filming, less freedom, more physical/mentally demanding & harder to win since it's not big teams like most challenges from back in the day. The spin-offs since All Stars 1 to now are more demanding than any challenge before Rivals 1.
Ironically, i think Jordan wouldnt have won as many challenges in those team challenges as Darrell for exemple. Darrell was well liked, Jordan ****** off a lot of people ********
Right and many, like Jonna or Sarah, would have never been sent in for a real team challenge.
If this is just a spin-off and only on Paramount+, Jordan is still a top 2 performer but this is not like his other wins. Cant cherry pick here. Either count all of them spin-offs (champs vs series, all stars etc) or none. But i think since Kaz, Troy and the others were referred to as Champions, this will be televised as Season 39 as they should. I mean, the casting was top notch in terms of competition.
Champs vs stars was a totally different show what are you talking about lmao The third one was the longest and it was 3 weeks. They literally would go back to hotels where friends or significant others were there & they could do anything/go anywhere during their off time. It's not the same to be stuck in a house for 6 weeks with 10 mins calls a week to family/significant others/friends it's mentally draining.
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do on elimination or daily. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk like you really want to argue this show isn't more demanding now lol
I don't understand how All Stars (and ESPECIALLY this) wins don't count as a real win? You're telling me Jonna beating Kailah, Nia, and Kellyanne isn't impressive but Tory beating Naneigh, Aneesa, and Olivia is?
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk lol
PinkRose how many of these spin-off people do you think we get on the main show? The USA and Australia challenges seem to flop in ratings so I doubt they get a second season of either. Anyone from the World Championship worth it?
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk lol
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do on elimination or daily. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk like you really want to argue this show isn't more demanding now lol
Oop is this Ben? There was a whole storyline about how the bamboo explosions in the fire gave him PTSD to being in the military
To me but I understand the point being made. I countless Champs vs, All Stars, this, etc as spinoffs. Love Jonna but I don't consider her wins to be the same as Ev or Cara...she's just the best All Star female competitor.
Jonna all stars seasons were longer to film than anything Evelyn filmed & won.
It's not the length of filming for me
Then what is it.
Main show vs others
Casting isn't remotely the same for All Stars
Still impressive but I don't count them a "Challenge" wins. Do people count Darrell Cara John Emily CT and Tony in Champs vs?
Champs vs Stars (pros) was literally a vacation with them having the most freedom ever. It's not a mentally demanding as any other show lol
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do on elimination or daily. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk like you really want to argue this show isn't more demanding now lol
Oop is this Ben? There was a whole storyline about how the bamboo explosions in the fire gave him PTSD to being in the military
I see both sides. Like I said, in theory old challenges were harder cause they were real. In the finals you had one shot, one day, straight forward to win. Nowadays it's all storyline driven and you can do completely terrible the entire final and still win. That's a joke in itself. I count all the wins except for Champs vs Pros/Stars. We all know it's a difference and even the challenge looks at it as a difference.
I see both sides. Like I said, in theory old challenges were harder cause they were real. In the finals you had one shot, one day, straight forward to win. Nowadays it's all storyline driven and you can do completely terrible the entire final and still win. That's a joke in itself. I count all the wins except for Champs vs Pros/Stars. We all know it's a difference and even the challenge looks at it as a difference.
I think, If your favorites won many shows like Jonna or Jordan now, you automatically count them. Just depends who one likes.
I'm also fine with not believing seasons prior to "whatever cutoff you want" have less weight. Especially everyone who won G2 even my girl Susie and my boy Landon.
If this is just a spin-off and only on Paramount+, Jordan is still a top 2 performer but this is not like his other wins. Cant cherry pick here. Either count all of them spin-offs (champs vs series, all stars etc) or none. But i think since Kaz, Troy and the others were referred to as Champions, this will be televised as Season 39 as they should. I mean, the casting was top notch in terms of competition.
Ironically, i think Jordan wouldnt have won as many challenges in those team challenges as Darrell for exemple. Darrell was well liked, Jordan ****** off a lot of people ********
Main show vs others
Casting isn't remotely the same for All Stars
Still impressive but I don't count them a "Challenge" wins. Do people count Darrell Cara John Emily CT and Tony in Champs vs?
Right and many, like Jonna or Sarah, would have never been sent in for a real team challenge.
Kevin you are one crazy man
Champs vs stars was a totally different show what are you talking about lmao The third one was the longest and it was 3 weeks. They literally would go back to hotels where friends or significant others were there & they could do anything/go anywhere during their off time. It's not the same to be stuck in a house for 6 weeks with 10 mins calls a week to family/significant others/friends it's mentally draining.
If this is "just a spinoff" then we aren't counting wins before 2006.
BTW: Landon is closer to having a dad bot ala CT than anywhere near of being in good shape
right, in no world is someone like katie doyle a more impressive winner than 2x champs Jonna and Kaz
A cast member literally had meltdown on this over having PTSD over past trauma on something they need it to do on elimination or daily. When back then the eliminations was eating cookies and milk like you really want to argue this show isn't more demanding now lol
I don't understand how All Stars (and ESPECIALLY this) wins don't count as a real win? You're telling me Jonna beating Kailah, Nia, and Kellyanne isn't impressive but Tory beating Naneigh, Aneesa, and Olivia is?
is that why Ben had to leave
PinkRose how many of these spin-off people do you think we get on the main show? The USA and Australia challenges seem to flop in ratings so I doubt they get a second season of either. Anyone from the World Championship worth it?
No, the person was able to make it work.
Oop is this Ben? There was a whole storyline about how the bamboo explosions in the fire gave him PTSD to being in the military
Are we still talking about the same thing?
Champs vs Stars (pros) was literally a vacation with them having the most freedom ever. It's not a mentally demanding as any other show lol
Not about Ben
on the topic of ben why big *** kaycee get to swap partners with amber ??
I would explain that later remind me lol
Kvm is just doing it as easy as possible.
Any wins outside the 38 season doesnt count for him. Is the only argument he has left for Landon or Darrell vs CT/Jordan
Only spinoff shows I don't count are champs vs stars because I truly don't remember who won those seasons
All the girls were playing scared except queen Sarah <\3
I see both sides. Like I said, in theory old challenges were harder cause they were real. In the finals you had one shot, one day, straight forward to win. Nowadays it's all storyline driven and you can do completely terrible the entire final and still win. That's a joke in itself. I count all the wins except for Champs vs Pros/Stars. We all know it's a difference and even the challenge looks at it as a difference.
Ct should have done this show. At least i would have known then who better is between him in him being in good shape again and Jordan.
right. those seasons don't count bc they're a joke. one of the finals was literally them doing mini games on a soccer field?
right. those seasons don't count bc they're a joke. one of the finals was literally them doing mini games on a soccer field?
I don't need that for Landon > Jordan argument. Landon's the best athlete that's been on the show.
I think, If your favorites won many shows like Jonna or Jordan now, you automatically count them. Just depends who one likes.
I'm also fine with not believing seasons prior to "whatever cutoff you want" have less weight. Especially everyone who won G2 even my girl Susie and my boy Landon.
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