The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
Exactly. And I'll say that this goes for the more lesser known castmembers that they ignore as well.
The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.
As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again.Brad might have another drunk moment & get his *** beat again. If they don't get the chance, then how will anybody know?
I agree with everything Debut, HB, Lurker, and Graphik are saying. But at this point, I can only blame society for what "reality tv" has come too.I started as a casual fan from Rivals to Exes2. From then, I watched past seasons all the way to Extreme Challenge. There was a HUGE difference. It is REAL. Road Rules, RW, and The Challenge was REAL. They didn't act. We now live where reality tv is a drunk, trashy, pointless fight where there is no purpose but it brings "entertainment." You have cast members who will start a little fight to get a Rival or **** themselves out because they need an Ex. They are now actors, it's not genuine like it use to be.I will give Rivals 3 and shot and will support a TV show I once loved. But I'm going to admit, I was sad to see what it came too. I don't know how someone thinks the Rivals 3 was "LIT." We all know who wins!! Raskii, who doesn't read spoilers, knows who won just because of the cast. It's "lit" because there was some trashy and drunk fights and hook ups. I watch the show for competition, not to see who is ******* or fighting. Call me an old soul, but that's just my opinion. At his point, it's not even who they cast. It's what they give us in my opinion.
Ty - this!! The show has degraded and its appeal now, in this sad form of its former self appeals to basest viewer...lacking in depth, competivness or class. Sorry kids go back and watch the older seasons...it was all better... the way the challengers presented themselves, the level of commitment to complete even after you had already lost, suck up your personal crap and win for the team... unless you were sinking the team and throw it in their faces not pretend you weren't doing that... Not to mention the level of difficulty (or at least the intensity) in the challenges themselvesChallengefan - not to be shady, you know I love you but . . . Challenge started before you were born sooo most of this took place well before your bedtime baby! It was a whole different thing! xoxo
haha I get that. i haven't watched any full seasons from anything before the island but just from what I watched of guantlet, inferno, and the duel I can tell it was definitely different.
Graphik wrote:The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again. If they don't get the chance, then who will ever know?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
Graphik wrote:The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again. If they don't get the chance, then who will ever know?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
^ right. if svetlana or jenn came back for example I don't see them being the same person they were on the show.
Who I want to return that hasn't been back for two+ challenges Sydney- Ashli, Isaac, DunbarHollywood- Greg, Brianna, WillBrooklyn- Devyn, Chet, Ryan (plzzzzzz)Cancun- CJ, Jonna, AyiiiaD.C.- would love Ashley, Ty, Mike, Erika but (NO ANDREW???) unrealisticNew Orleans- McKenzie, Jemmye, Ashlee, SaharVegas 2- Adam, Dustin, Mike, Heather, CookeSan Diego 2- Zach and Frank St. Thomas- Marie, LaToya, Trey, Robb, SwiftPortland- Marlon, Jordan, Nia, Anastasia Explosion- Brian, Jenny, Jamie, JaySkeletons and Go Big- all of em
I don't think the results of a season have anything to do with whether the season is good or not. Jordan and Sarah winning was tragic but the season was still decent.
Well to me it does given that the winner is apart of the damn show and it shows how they got to that point. Battle of the Seasons 2 was a good season but it would've been great had Vegas had all 4 members intact and won IMO.
Call me crazy! But its more appealing to me to watch someone from are you the one than old guys like Mark/Syrus do nothing like they on their more recent apperances.
bluehatchet2 wrote:Your negativity and pessimism is exhausting. This is directed to a bunch of people btw
No one here will ever be pleased.
Oh that is SO not true.
No, its 100% true people always will find a way to complaint
Y'all are the same people who want Jenna, Leroy, Bananas, and the rest of the boring cougars to come on and do the same thing. Don't get upset if we want better for the show.
Graphik wrote:The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again. If they don't get the chance, then who will ever know?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
They don't have to "keep" doing anything. If they want to randomly return for a season or two, take a break, return again, etc. they should be able to do that. That is TWO people...out of a season of 24-30 other people. There is literally no harm in having them come back if they want to.
Even if they don't bring drama (Mark most likely), he is all about the competition & that is just as entertaining IMO. With Syrus, you don't know what you'll get with him...he was relatively calm on The Inferno, then Gauntlet 2 he was ready to kill TJ. They don't have to be Nany/Camila-level attention ******; if anything it'll be refreshing.
Call me crazy! But its more appealing to me to watch someone from are you the one than old guys like Mark/Syrus do nothing like they on their more recent apperances.
Exactly a bunch of young wreckless people belong on reality tv not people in their 30s-40s (unless they bring drama).
bananas can stay his *** at home but we know thats never going to happen so i just accept thats he's on. leroy is a fan favorite and was on a popular season, i dont think anyone but on here complains about roy lee being on. jenna's a beast, sexy, and shes only done 3
Call me crazy! But its more appealing to me to watch someone from are you the one than old guys like Mark/Syrus do nothing like they on their more recent apperances.
Exactly a bunch of young wreckless people belong on reality tv not people in their 30s-40s (unless they bring drama).
Graphik wrote:The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again. If they don't get the chance, then who will ever know?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
They don't have to "keep" doing anything. If they want to randomly return for a season or two, take a break, return again, etc. they should be able to do that. That is TWO people...out of a season of 24-30 other people. There is literally no harm in having them come back if they want to.Even if they don't bring drama (Mark most likely), he is all about the competition & that is just as entertaining IMO. With Syrus, you don't know what you'll get with him...he was relatively calm on The Inferno, then Gauntlet 2 he was ready to kill TJ. Either way though, this whole thing where everybody has to be a Nany/Camila-level attention ***** in order to bring some type of "value" to the show is tired.
Again 10 years ago. They even tested your theory by bringing him on Ruins and he was a dud. Yes Mark brings competition but so do others who also bring drama. Yes it's only 2 spots on the cast but why waste it on people like Mark/Syrus who will most likely not bring drama and save it for introducing new young castmemebers like Sylvia and Violetta or someone from AYTO who could actually bring entertainment?
"Or someone from AYTO".. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.
Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.
MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
Graphik wrote:The general consensus I think with the Old-School regulars & familiar faces is if they want to come back, let them come back & let them come back whenever they please. It doesn't matter their age, how many want to come back, do the casual viewers know them & all this other BS.Nobody is asking for an all-Old School challenge or really even Old School v.s. New School at this point (they've missed the countless opportunties they had to do this). I really do not see the harm in having 1-5 on a season of 26-32 people.
But who besides Darrell/Abe is worthy/willing to come back from the Old School? Who could actually bring something?
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again. If they don't get the chance, then who will ever know?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
They don't have to "keep" doing anything. If they want to randomly return for a season or two, take a break, return again, etc. they should be able to do that. That is TWO people...out of a season of 24-30 other people. There is literally no harm in having them come back if they want to.Even if they don't bring drama (Mark most likely), he is all about the competition & that is just as entertaining IMO. With Syrus, you don't know what you'll get with him...he was relatively calm on The Inferno, then Gauntlet 2 he was ready to kill TJ. Either way though, this whole thing where everybody has to be a Nany/Camila-level attention ***** in order to bring some type of "value" to the show is tired.
Again 10 years ago. They even tested your theory by bringing him on Ruins and he was a dud. Yes Mark brings competition but so do others who also bring drama. Yes it's only 2 spots on the cast but why waste it on people like Mark/Syrus who will most likely not bring drama and save it for introducing new young castmemebers like Sylvia and Violetta or someone from AYTO who could actually bring entertainment?
They already waste a few spots on people who have consistent "dud" seasons.
My thing is, they can have ALL of that. SylVioletta should've been on this show....they can have the AYTO, new schoolers, regulars and they can have 1-4 old schoolers. It doesn't have to be one over the other.
"Or someone from AYTO".. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
Which is precisely why I don't see the problem with it and I don't see why they're not trying to go all out because of that....bringing a balance to the cast, new spins on old formats, all new formats, etc.
I do agree that MTV as a whole is trash & they need to clean house. They can blame ratings on DVR recordings, Netflix/Hulu all they want to but people still manage to watch VH1 & have their shows in the millions consistently.
i wish mtv could get back to the days when they were pulling 8mil on jersey shore. but i think streaming services and dvr do play a part in it though. & im suprised teen mom and teen mom 2 are still doing so good. but farrah/jenelle are reality tv gold. people love to hate them. i bet the new teen mom is going to flop though. & l &hh does excellent because of the ratchet, petty drama that viewers love & they have a couple of big names on the show.
hardbitten wrote:"Or someone from AYTO".. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
Which is precisely why I don't see the problem with it and I don't see why they're not trying to go all out because of that....bringing a balance to the cast, new spins on old formats, all new formats, etc.I do agree that MTV as a whole is trash & they need to clean house. They can blame ratings on DVR recordings, Netflix/Hulu all they want to but people still manage to watch VH1 & have their shows in the millions consistently.
And like I said before..people are going to watch regardless. So it's not like they'll be losing viewers if they get a good mix of castmembers and experiement/retool/revive formats.
"Or someone from AYTO".. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
It couldn't do any worse than it already has.
Mark can stay gone. Syrus, I could be alright with, but he clearly needs another chance to prove himself. He didn't do too well on The Ruins.
Why is it that these two are being thrown in our faces?
hardbitten wrote:"Or someone from AYTO".. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
It couldn't do any worse than it already has.Mark can stay gone. Syrus, I could be alright with, but he clearly needs another chance to prove himself. He didn't do too well on The Ruins.Why is it that these two are being thrown in our faces?
I wanna know that too given that there were other names thrown out there that will bring something whether it be drama or competition.
but seriously, who are these vets that you guys really want to see who have straight up said they want to come back and do it? I've only seen Beth say she would come back so correct me if I'm wrong
Well for me these are really the only one I want to return at some point.Mark(Only if Backpack wasn't on)DarrellRuthieAbram(He was on Bloodlines but after that season there's no reason why they shouldn't cast him again)Susie(Ha! Just Kidding. I don't want to see her ass)Pretty small list but all the people I listed and was serious about is willing to come back.
Do you think he'll be able to come back? I mean, Abe basically made the season, but from what I saw he got a lot of backlash due to whole situation with Cara.
Exactly. And I'll say that this goes for the more lesser known castmembers that they ignore as well.
They've already been listed so I won't do it again.
As far as who could bring something....I mean wouldn't they have to actually get on a season to see who would; just like all the newer people coming on & like they've done in the past? For all we know, somebody might push Mark to punch a bus roof again. Somebody might agitate Syrus to the point of him snatching them up by the collar again.Brad might have another drunk moment & get his *** beat again. If they don't get the chance, then how will anybody know?
haha I get that. i haven't watched any full seasons from anything before the island but just from what I watched of guantlet, inferno, and the duel I can tell it was definitely different.
If those Old Schoolers really wants to do more challenges why they are declining like every single one tho?
Mark brought nothing Exes 2 and Duel 2 and I don't remember Syrus doing anything on the Ruins. So they are supposed to just keep bringing them on in hopes that maybe they'll act like they did 10 years ago and be in drama? People grow up and eventually want to stay out of the drama so they no longer belong on a trashy reality show which is centered around drama.
Have they ever reached out to any other Road Ruler besides Darrell, Rachel, and Abram?
^ right. if svetlana or jenn came back for example I don't see them being the same person they were on the show.
We can't be friends after all the bolded.
Adam isn't realistic, unfortunatley. ;/
Well to me it does given that the winner is apart of the damn show and it shows how they got to that point. Battle of the Seasons 2 was a good season but it would've been great had Vegas had all 4 members intact and won IMO.
Call me crazy! But its more appealing to me to watch someone from are you the one than old guys like Mark/Syrus do nothing like they on their more recent apperances.
Y'all are the same people who want Jenna, Leroy, Bananas, and the rest of the boring cougars to come on and do the same thing. Don't get upset if we want better for the show.
They don't have to "keep" doing anything. If they want to randomly return for a season or two, take a break, return again, etc. they should be able to do that. That is TWO people...out of a season of 24-30 other people. There is literally no harm in having them come back if they want to.
Even if they don't bring drama (Mark most likely), he is all about the competition & that is just as entertaining IMO. With Syrus, you don't know what you'll get with him...he was relatively calm on The Inferno, then Gauntlet 2 he was ready to kill TJ. They don't have to be Nany/Camila-level attention ******; if anything it'll be refreshing.
Exactly a bunch of young wreckless people belong on reality tv not people in their 30s-40s (unless they bring drama).
bananas can stay his *** at home but we know thats never going to happen so i just accept thats he's on. leroy is a fan favorite and was on a popular season, i dont think anyone but on here complains about roy lee being on. jenna's a beast, sexy, and shes only done 3
Again 10 years ago. They even tested your theory by bringing him on Ruins and he was a dud. Yes Mark brings competition but so do others who also bring drama. Yes it's only 2 spots on the cast but why waste it on people like Mark/Syrus who will most likely not bring drama and save it for introducing new young castmemebers like Sylvia and Violetta or someone from AYTO who could actually bring entertainment?
"Or someone from AYTO"
.. You have no idea how lazy that sounds. No wonder this shit is doing worse and worse by the second.
If they cast grandpa Mark or grand pa Syrus or any other old schooler it would be doing as bad rating wise.
Just look at MTV show ratings the only one that does good (way lower than past seasons) is teen mom that have cast members with stronger fan bases than anyone that is willing to do challenges from older seasons. The show would be doing as bad, regardless of who they cast.
MTV needs to find a way to rebrand themselves and put themselves back onthe map as a network.
They already waste a few spots on people who have consistent "dud" seasons.
My thing is, they can have ALL of that. SylVioletta should've been on this show....they can have the AYTO, new schoolers, regulars and they can have 1-4 old schoolers. It doesn't have to be one over the other.
Which is precisely why I don't see the problem with it and I don't see why they're not trying to go all out because of that....bringing a balance to the cast, new spins on old formats, all new formats, etc.
I do agree that MTV as a whole is trash & they need to clean house. They can blame ratings on DVR recordings, Netflix/Hulu all they want to but people still manage to watch VH1 & have their shows in the millions consistently.
i wish mtv could get back to the days when they were pulling 8mil on jersey shore. but i think streaming services and dvr do play a part in it though. & im suprised teen mom and teen mom 2 are still doing so good. but farrah/jenelle are reality tv gold. people love to hate them. i bet the new teen mom is going to flop though. & l &hh does excellent because of the ratchet, petty drama that viewers love & they have a couple of big names on the show.
And like I said before..people are going to watch regardless. So it's not like they'll be losing viewers if they get a good mix of castmembers and experiement/retool/revive formats.
It couldn't do any worse than it already has.
Mark can stay gone. Syrus, I could be alright with, but he clearly needs another chance to prove himself. He didn't do too well on The Ruins.
Why is it that these two are being thrown in our faces?
I still haven't found an AYTO person to be likeable.
I wanna know that too given that there were other names thrown out there that will bring something whether it be drama or competition.
I find it funny how people call Mark/Syrus boring and don't want them back but will have no issue with someone like Simone coming on.
Do you think he'll be able to come back? I mean, Abe basically made the season, but from what I saw he got a lot of backlash due to whole situation with Cara.
I haven't found any of them to be good for the show period.
They've never stuck around long enough anyway.
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