The Challenge: Dirty 30 (Spoilers discussion)

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gamer73 wrote:
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I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

**** outta here.

If you don't believe it was rigged that's great...the staggered start times allowed it to be.  Anthony destroyed Nelson on the Cage mission before that.  Nelson may have beat him fairly but we'll never know.  That's why these finals are bullshit

CCC318 wrote:

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kvm1977 wrote:Toya has to be in much better shape to do well...at least IMO

not really. A big part of The challenge is luck! Devyn made it to the end both times she played! Toya can do it too!

Devyn got very lucky with those formats...on a team challenge if you aren't strong you're going to get sent in....assuming this is team her alliance with Marie isn't going to save her forever if she's not stronger than some of the girls.  If this is New vs Old vs AYTO she's the weakest New School girl IMO.  I'd rather run a final with Ashley (especially after tonight), Marie, Kailah & even ******* Jenna

Do you have a job 

Yeah, I'm an attorney...corporate/tax.  Do you have a job?

Yeah, I'm a business owner. (Computer distribution)

It just seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to spew hatred about people you have never met, along with your in depth analysis of every single competitor ever.

Eddie1378 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:

thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

**** outta here.

If you don't believe it was rigged that's great...the staggered start times allowed it to be.  Anthony destroyed Nelson on the Cage mission before that.  Nelson maye beat him fairly but we'll never know.  That's why these finals are bullshit

Yeah because production cares that much about Nelson.Im sure they could not care less who got eliminated between Anthony and Nelson. If you feel that they rig things why even watch the show?  I know if I thought that I wouldnt bother

kvm1977 wrote:

CCC318 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
AshKelseyFan wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:Toya has to be in much better shape to do well...at least IMO

not really. A big part of The challenge is luck! Devyn made it to the end both times she played! Toya can do it too!

Devyn got very lucky with those formats...on a team challenge if you aren't strong you're going to get sent in....assuming this is team her alliance with Marie isn't going to save her forever if she's not stronger than some of the girls.  If this is New vs Old vs AYTO she's the weakest New School girl IMO.  I'd rather run a final with Ashley (especially after tonight), Marie, Kailah & even ******* Jenna

Do you have a job 

Yeah, I'm an attorney...corporate/tax.  Do you have a job?

Yeah, I'm a business owner. (Computer distribution)It just seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to spew hatred about people you have never met, along with your in depth analysis of every single competitor ever.

Admittedly, I have been here a lot the last few days.  Wife & kids are in Colorado visiting her family.  I'm enjoying rare free time after our busy season but the fam returns Thursday so you'll see less of me.

thechallenger101 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:

thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

The fact you said that is why no one takes your opinions seriously. I'm not saying Nelson is the best but if anything Nelson & Shane are the only male underdogs who proved themselves this season, all the other guys were all talk most of the time and thought no one can stop them then end up losing.  

 

kvm1977 wrote:

Eddie1378 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

**** outta here.

If you don't believe it was rigged that's great...the staggered start times allowed it to be.  Anthony destroyed Nelson on the Cage mission before that.  Nelson maye beat him fairly but we'll never know.  That's why these finals are bullshit

Yeah because production cares that much about Nelson.Im sure they could not care less who got eliminated between Anthony and Nelson. If you feel that they rig things why even watch the show?  I know if I thought that I wouldnt bother

We all know a couple eliminations of the years were rigged.  Svetlana vs Beth, Susie vs. Jenn & Sarah G vs. Rachel B.  Doesn't mean all eliminations are plus, it's irrelevant since Nelson sucks or , if you prefer, is incredibly average.

You will never get me to listen to that brain dead podcast. 

Wasnt Sarah acting like she was above the challenges after she won Exes 2? As much as I dislike John, I agree with his move on Rivals 3 the more Sarah talks.

kvm1977 wrote:

thechallenger101 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

The fact you said that is why no one takes your opinions seriously. I'm not saying Nelson is the best but if anything Nelson & Shane are the only male underdogs who proved themselves this season, all the other guys were all talk most of the time and thought no one can stop them then end up losing.   

LOL--Hunter did more than Nelson.   The only reason Hunter's out is because of the puzzle.  Nelson has yet to impress.  He's done okay on the final--he owes Ashley for a lot of that.  Shane was the best, then Hunter, then probably Nelson...which isn't just my opinion (which you claim no one takes seriously) but the general consensus. 

Sarah sure is one to talk; all those various Challenge ***** she sucked while hiding behind that "nice girl" image.....And I swear she cries in the car & at night about The Queen lmaooooooo she'll NEVER get over Exes 2.

whatchu mean? The challenge Sarah WON? The one where Nia got banned for sexual assault? The season where nia looked hella stupid by failing at every single mission and now she trolls like she's going to be on every season when everyone knows good and well she'll never be back not by choice..and fools YOU? Sounds like you are the one who needs to get over Exes 2 baby 

How many eliminations did Hunter win this season?

How many eliminations did Hunter win this season?

None--but he proved far more in the missions than Nelson.  FAR MORE.  Let's stop acting like Nelson's elimination wins were impressive.  The only thing he did impressive prior to the final was, shocking, a great strategic move by playing Shane & Cory.  Other than that...Shane & Hunter outperformed him constantly. 

Elimination wins aren't always a big deal--consider the elimination and the opponent.  Let's not pretend he beat Zach & Bananans like Darrell did.  He beat two AYTO losers.

I wonder Who is going to be the hottest girl on The Challenge Season 30 ?

We need eye candy baby!

Graphik wrote:

Sarah sure is one to talk; all those various Challenge ***** she sucked while hiding behind that "nice girl" image.....And I swear she cries in the car & at night about The Queen lmaooooooo she'll NEVER get over Exes 2.

whatchu mean? The challenge Sarah WON? The one where Nia got banned for sexual assault? The season where nia looked hella stupid by failing at every single mission and now she trolls like she's going to be on every season when everyone knows good and well she'll never be back not by choice..and fools YOU? Sounds like you are the one who needs to get over Exes 2 baby 

Big mad or little mad? You crying in the car with Sarah too?

thechallenger101 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:

thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

The fact you said that is why no one takes your opinions seriously. I'm not saying Nelson is the best but if anything Nelson & Shane are the only male underdogs who proved themselves this season, all the other guys were all talk most of the time and thought no one can stop them then end up losing.   

LOL--Hunter did more than Nelson.   The only reason Hunter's out is because of the puzzle.  Nelson has yet to impress.  He's done okay on the final--he owes Ashley for a lot of that.  Shane was the best, then Hunter, then probably Nelson...which isn't just my opinion (which you claim no one takes seriously) but the general consensus. 

Hunter is the better competitor but Nelson has proven himself more for sure and Ashley did have a big impact on the puzzle on the final but Nelson is still doing the best out of all the guys on the final at least from what I am seeing. 

He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

kvm1977 wrote:

thechallenger101 wrote:

kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
thechallenger101 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:
kvm1977 wrote:
gamer73 wrote:Sips

I hate when you "sip"...makes me nervous

sippin bout Queen ashley w the 5 min penalty but still ******* it up. She gonna show everyone again. 

She's been the most impressive in the final so far.  I wish it was truly individual though.  I would have loved to have seen her and Camila go head to head.  Nicole, Cory & Nelson are utterly useless.

I wouldn't say Nelson is useless, he is actually performing the best out of all the males so far. I think he's shown that he can potentially win a final. 

Umm...how?  Sure, he could win a final if someone solves puzzles for him I suppose.  On a team challenge I'd keep him around if I could trust him not to do something completely stupid.  If I was sure it would be a legit individual final I'd keep him & Cory around as layups.

Sure he got lucky to have Ashley as a partner for the puzzle bit but he's killing every other part of the final when it comes to strength, endurance, eating, etc. and he's pretty decent at puzzles, obviously not as good as Ashley and some of the others. Honestly I can't see him being used as a layup after this season at all. Nelson is hands down one of the better underdogs this season and proved himself before Dario, Tony & Cory who were on paper the "better underdogs". 

Being better than Cory, Tony & Dario doesn't impress me.  Hunter & Shane were better than him...as was every champion.  I might take Anthony over him as well despite the rigged elimination round.  Pretty sure Nelson still hasn't figured out how to move the cage.

The fact you said that is why no one takes your opinions seriously. I'm not saying Nelson is the best but if anything Nelson & Shane are the only male underdogs who proved themselves this season, all the other guys were all talk most of the time and thought no one can stop them then end up losing.   

LOL--Hunter did more than Nelson.   The only reason Hunter's out is because of the puzzle.  Nelson has yet to impress.  He's done okay on the final--he owes Ashley for a lot of that.  Shane was the best, then Hunter, then probably Nelson...which isn't just my opinion (which you claim no one takes seriously) but the general consensus. 

Hunter is the better competitor but Nelson has proven himself more for sure and Ashley did have a big impact on the puzzle on the final but Nelson is still doing the best out of all the guys on the final at least from what I am seeing. 

CT & Nelson are pretty even so far...I really wish we would have seen Darrell run this final.  CT isn't in "final" shape

He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

He didn't beat Shane & Cory...that's nonsense.  He shockingly outsmarted them but that's not an elimination win.  Nor it is it a loss.  Just like Shane doesn't get an elimination win for the puzzle.  Hunter took his loss (as did Jenna) for finishing last.  Nelson didn't impress at all in the eliminations aside from using Cory and Shane against each other.  If you'd rather have Nelson on your team that's fine.  I'll take Hunter and beat you.  Beating Dario & Anthony isn't much more impressive than Preston or Jay.  No clue who Nate is--he must have been on Rivals 3.  Dario is unathletic and stupid.  I have no idea what to make of Anthony.

I mean, if we're going to start calling what Nelson did this season "impressive" then the show has become a complete joke.

I'll give you average with the ability to above average but saying "AT LEAST an above average competitor" is laughable because you're hinting at greatness...which he can't obtain or spell.  Probably can't define it either.   At least he can go back to "managing the strippers"

Eddie1378 wrote:

He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

He didn't beat Shane & Cory...that's nonsense.  He shockingly outsmarted them but that's not an elimination win.  Nor it is it a loss.  Just like Shane doesn't get an elimination win for the puzzle.  Hunter took his loss (as did Jenna) for finishing last.  Nelson didn't impress at all in the eliminations aside from using Cory and Shane against each other.  If you'd rather have Nelson on your team that's fine.  I'll take Hunter and beat you.  Beating Dario & Anthony isn't much more impressive than Preston or Jay.  No clue who Nate is--he must have been on Rivals 3.  Dario is unathletic and stupid.  I have no idea what to make of Anthony.I mean, if we're going to start calling what Nelson did this season "impressive" then the show has become a complete joke.I'll give you average with the ability to above average but saying "AT LEAST an above average competitor" is laughable because you're hinting at greatness...which he can't obtain or spell.  Probably can't define it either.   At least he can go back to "managing the strippers"

Im done talking to stupid

Honestly, I have no desire to watch Nelson or Cory run another final...would like to see them both go home soon.  If they make another final hopefully they earn it and Cory doesn't flop again because we're stuck with them for the foreseeable future.  I wish the eliminations this year were Champs vs. Underdogs--we could have watched every Underdog guy get sent home.  They still haven't proven anything--to be the best you have to beat the best.  Cory & Nelson aren't capable at this time.

kvm1977 wrote:

Eddie1378 wrote:He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

He didn't beat Shane & Cory...that's nonsense.  He shockingly outsmarted them but that's not an elimination win.  Nor it is it a loss.  Just like Shane doesn't get an elimination win for the puzzle.  Hunter took his loss (as did Jenna) for finishing last.  Nelson didn't impress at all in the eliminations aside from using Cory and Shane against each other.  If you'd rather have Nelson on your team that's fine.  I'll take Hunter and beat you.  Beating Dario & Anthony isn't much more impressive than Preston or Jay.  No clue who Nate is--he must have been on Rivals 3.  Dario is unathletic and stupid.  I have no idea what to make of Anthony.I mean, if we're going to start calling what Nelson did this season "impressive" then the show has become a complete joke.I'll give you average with the ability to above average but saying "AT LEAST an above average competitor" is laughable because you're hinting at greatness...which he can't obtain or spell.  Probably can't define it either.   At least he can go back to "managing the strippers"

Im done talking to stupid

What has Dario or Anthony done.  Preston made it further than either...as did Jay.  I think both are jokes but so is Dario.  And again--Anthony did what?

They're better than Danny Dias, Nick Brown and Jon Brennan but Jay, Nate & Preston is a weird list...you must be new to the show

Lmao at someone being called stupid because they bring up facts.

Eddie1378 wrote:

He beat Dario/Anthony/Shane/Cory who are all solid competitors.  Its not like he beat Nate/Preston/Jay. He is at least an above average competitor.

He didn't beat Shane & Cory...that's nonsense.  He shockingly outsmarted them but that's not an elimination win.  Nor it is it a loss.  Just like Shane doesn't get an elimination win for the puzzle.  Hunter took his loss (as did Jenna) for finishing last.  Nelson didn't impress at all in the eliminations aside from using Cory and Shane against each other.  If you'd rather have Nelson on your team that's fine.  I'll take Hunter and beat you.  Beating Dario & Anthony isn't much more impressive than Preston or Jay.  No clue who Nate is--he must have been on Rivals 3.  Dario is unathletic and stupid.  I have no idea what to make of Anthony.I mean, if we're going to start calling what Nelson did this season "impressive" then the show has become a complete joke.I'll give you average with the ability to above average but saying "AT LEAST an above average competitor" is laughable because you're hinting at greatness...which he can't obtain or spell.  Probably can't define it either.   At least he can go back to "managing the strippers"

Hunter is a great competitor but he hasn't shown much this season at all compared to Nelson. Honestly if you review the entire season Nelson stood out more as a competitor and showed how great he is on many different levels than Hunter. Hunter is great but what has he really done better than Nelson? Also you said Dario is dumb and not athletic . I agree he's dumb when it comes to the game but I'm he is athletic for sure. 

I wonder what Nelson has to do to be considered a good competitor to some idiots... beat Darrell and Bananas? Im sure even then they would find reasons to say he still sucks

Wait, is Nate the fat kid from San Diego 2--then, yes, beating Dario & Anthony is more impressive than him.  Forgot he existed.

I wonder what Nelson has to do to be considered a good competitor to some idiots... beat Darrell and Bananas? Im sure even then they would find reasons to say he still sucks

Be better...perform consistently...gain some level of intelligence.  If he beat Darrell or Bananas he'd get credit.  Dario & Anthony....not so much.  This set-up didn't give him a chance to do much--he'll have another shot in Season 30--hopefully he's better since we're stuck with him

Wait, is Nate the fat kid from San Diego 2--then, yes, beating Dario & Anthony is more impressive than him.  Forgot he existed.

Nope, they're talking about this one:

http://thechallenge.wikia.com/wiki/Nate_Siebenmark

Lmao at someone being called stupid because they bring up facts.

O yay. The other Nelson hater has arrived. Aren't you a Cory fan? Yikes. Rough episode for ya boy.....  It is pretty simple. Nelson has been good this final outside the puzzle. I think we can all agree on that right? Ok good. 

I wonder what Nelson has to do to be considered a good competitor to some idiots... beat Darrell and Bananas? Im sure even then they would find reasons to say he still sucks

If Nelson beat Darrell or Bananas, people would say "He only beat them because they're not in their prime years anymore if he beat them during their early years he wouldn't have come close" so pretty much what everyone said when Ty beat Abe in X-Battle. 

king Nate should've been on this season>>>

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