v123 you make no sense. First you say that Cara had nothing to say and then you say she's playing the victim. She made it very clear she knows she made a huge mistake and she's apologized for it multiple times. Throughout the aftershow you can tell she regrets it. Thats not playing the victim.
Exactly, she didn't even try to defend herself, she actually said "There's nothing I can say to defend myself, I ****** up, I'm sorry," but somehow people who hate her still see that as playing the victim. She went on Twitter and Instagram, she said she was disgusted by her actions, she took responsibility. What else is she supposed to say now?
And I agree that ith Abram having an abusive streek and the fact that, unlike CT, he isn't even apologetic about it. CT is violent, but he knows it's wrong. Abram actually went on Twitter to defend his actions on the aftershow. He said he wasn't sorry for the way he acted.
I felt bad for Abe but him screaming last episode was beyond annoying. I would be sooooo annoyed if I was ever around him..Caramaria could never just admit the truth with what happened. Not on the episode and not even on the aftershow... Pathetic.Clearly she doesn't want to be with him but is too scared to admit it.I thought Thomas handled himself ********* @ Vinny being the one to tell Abe. Idk why but I found that hilarious.So disappointed with this season. I find myself constantly being bored watching the episode.
uhh yeah she did. seeing as you're a cara maria hater it's understandable that you think her and Thomas went all the way.
so cara maria demolishes abrams manhood world wide by cucking him on national tv and somehow cara STILL manages to be the victim in the situationthat is true talent/manipulation skills right thereloool at people focusing on abe's creepy expressions and how its symptomatic of psychological issues when cara just prostituted herself for months knowing that she has a man at home yet the focus is still on abe and how evil/messed up he isthey should create a reality tv show for cara where they show how far she can take it with degeneracy before shes unanimously considered the villain. cara could cannibalize her roommates puppy alive on national tv and people would probably blame the roommate for not stocking the fridge with chicken, pasta and enough food
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
abram has no one to blame but himself for the public perception that he's certifiable. He knew he was being taped.....
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
How exactly did SHE do it? She hasn't said anything bad about Abram, she actually said that she was ashamed of HER actions, that She made a mistake, she said "I caused pain to the person I love". She went on Twitter to say "I am not and have never been abused" and somehow people see her as the one leading a crussade agains Abe? That whole aftershow was a disgusting **** shaming tirade and she didn't even try to defend herself. If people see Abram as a disturbed human being, it has nothing to do with Cara's actions. He brought in on himself by behaving like an animal for years. He's in his mid-30s and hasn't learned from his mistakes, he won't even take responsibility for behaving inappropiately.
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
Cara has not confirmed anything negative towards abe, only denied them. She tweeted he's not a bad person and he doesn't physically abuse her. A lot of people assumed that he was physically abusing her, she couldve easily stayed silent and played the victim but she didn't because she obviously cares about him. She's owned up to her mistake more than once. She hasnt even tried to defend herself because she knows it was wrong. As for the whole "scared of laurel" thing it's all in your head and has no relevance to whats going on between her and abe.
Exactly, she didn't even try to defend herself, she actually said "There's nothing I can say to defend myself, I ****** up, I'm sorry," but somehow people who hate her still see that as playing the victim. She went on Twitter and Instagram, she said she was disgusted by her actions, she took responsibility. What else is she supposed to say now?And I agree that ith Abram having an abusive streek and the fact that, unlike CT, he isn't even apologetic about it. CT is violent, but he knows it's wrong. Abram actually went on Twitter to defend his actions on the aftershow. He said he wasn't sorry for the way he acted.
Why should he be sorry? Cara cheated on him on TV and had to hear it from other people. He's going to be ****** off like most people would and if you asked me she deserved every bit of what Abram gave her.
It's "**** shaming" to be called out for cheating on your live-in boyfriend of five years? **** shaming is what's done to people who are single and enjoy dating and sleeping with other people and is, for the most part, wrong. Bringing someone to the mat for cheating and lying about it isn't **** shaming and it is something that someone should be ashamed of.
Exactly, she didn't even try to defend herself, she actually said "There's nothing I can say to defend myself, I ****** up, I'm sorry," but somehow people who hate her still see that as playing the victim. She went on Twitter and Instagram, she said she was disgusted by her actions, she took responsibility. What else is she supposed to say now?And I agree that ith Abram having an abusive streek and the fact that, unlike CT, he isn't even apologetic about it. CT is violent, but he knows it's wrong. Abram actually went on Twitter to defend his actions on the aftershow. He said he wasn't sorry for the way he acted.
Why should he be sorry? Cara cheated on him on TV and had to hear it from other people. He's going to be ****** off like most people would and if you asked me she deserved every bit of what Abram gave her.
He shouldn't be sorry for being angry. He has every right to be angry. But when you actually love someone, no matter how big of a fight you get into, you don't let outsiders (such as bananas) trample all over that person. He continues to say that he loves cara but yet lets irrelevant people pick on her. If anything he seems to enjoy seeing everyone harrass her. It's a very toxic and unhealthy relationship where he seems to get off her being emotionally weak. Everyone deserves a second chance, which is what she gave him when he embarassed both of them by smudging his faeces in his jail cell when he got arrested.
Cara played victim that's what she did. She made the situation worse by doing what she does best. Yeah she's saying those things now but everything she said on the show is whats making Abe look bad. She's lying out of her *** left and right. Goes on the shows tells Jamie she's planning on breaking up with Abram but before she leaves for the show she tells Abe she wants to win so they can buy a new house together ?!. This girl is ******* mess of lies and being fake Cara Maria has hit a new level of annoying.
If someone had told Abe about the cheating as soon as he got there then I would see it being as meddling in someones relationship for no good reason but Cara going weeks without saying anything gives enough reason for someone to tell him. I would want to know if I was getting cheated on and this being on television makes things 100x worse. I would feel like complete shit if I was Abe and I went through that whole challenge without knowing and found out months later on TV. Abe would look like the biggest fool.
I agree with ALL of this.
Abe said before in an interview that he doesn't watch tv and has never seen an episode of the challenge so I think Caramaria thought she could get a way with it at least during filming until people over social media or a friend told him. I think she thought she had time but once Abe showed up it kind of ruined everything.
It's "**** shaming" to be called out for cheating on your live-in boyfriend of five years? **** shaming is what's done to people who are single and enjoy dating and sleeping with other people and is, for the most part, wrong. Bringing someone to the mat for cheating and lying about it isn't **** shaming and it is something that someone should be ashamed of.
I would have quoted what I was responding to but my quote function hasn't been working. A few posts up from mine it says "That whole aftershow was a disgusting **** shaming tirade". Cara Maria wasn't being **** shamed. I wouldn't even call (if she was being honest, which is a separate debate) a few make out sessions being a ****. But it is being a cheater and a liar. Which she was appropriately called out for. To skew it as **** shaming is really reaching.
audreyhorne wrote:Exactly, she didn't even try to defend herself, she actually said "There's nothing I can say to defend myself, I ****** up, I'm sorry," but somehow people who hate her still see that as playing the victim. She went on Twitter and Instagram, she said she was disgusted by her actions, she took responsibility. What else is she supposed to say now?And I agree that ith Abram having an abusive streek and the fact that, unlike CT, he isn't even apologetic about it. CT is violent, but he knows it's wrong. Abram actually went on Twitter to defend his actions on the aftershow. He said he wasn't sorry for the way he acted.
Why should he be sorry? Cara cheated on him on TV and had to hear it from other people. He's going to be ****** off like most people would and if you asked me she deserved every bit of what Abram gave her.
He shouldn't be sorry for being angry. He has every right to be angry. But when you actually love someone, no matter how big of a fight you get into, you don't let outsiders (such as bananas) trample all over that person. He continues to say that he loves cara but yet lets irrelevant people pick on her. If anything he seems to enjoy seeing everyone harr*** her. It's a very toxic and unhealthy relationship where he seems to get off her being emotionally weak. Everyone deserves a second chance, which is what she gave him when he embar***ed both of them by smudging his faeces in his jail cell when he got arrested.
Well again he was ****** at her so he probably didn't give a shit..But I do agree with you on that. He should've gotten into Backpack's *** like all his allies do on a daily basis but he was rightfully and understadibly so focused on Cara.
And yeah....I don't know where this **** shaming shit came from but none of this has anything to do with that. It's someone being called out for being a ******* cheater and liar
And yeah....I don't know where this **** shaming shit came from but none of this has anything to do with that. It's someone being called out for being a ******* cheater and liar
so cara maria demolishes abrams manhood world wide by cucking him on national tv and somehow cara STILL manages to be the victim in the situationthat is true talent/manipulation skills right thereloool at people focusing on abe's creepy expressions and how its symptomatic of psychological issues when cara just prostituted herself for months knowing that she has a man at home yet the focus is still on abe and how evil/messed up he isthey should create a reality tv show for cara where they show how far she can take it with degeneracy before shes unanimously considered the villain. cara could cannibalize her roommates puppy alive on national tv and people would probably blame the roommate for not stocking the fridge with chicken, pasta and enough food
This! I feel so bad for Abe. So he not only gets cheated on and humiliated on TV, but now everyone is calling him an abuser. Watching Cara is definitely a lesson on how to get away with shit. Just lie until you can't lie anymore because you got caught, say you're sorry, then sit there and look sad and attacked, and all of a sudden the tables are turned. You're the victim and the person you ****** over is a crazy, psycho, abuser.
I also still don't think she's being 100% truthful. I don't know if they had ***, but you don't go in the "bathroom" for making out and back rubs. But there's no film evidence so she is free to say what she wants.
v123 you make no sense. First you say that Cara had nothing to say and then you say she's playing the victim. She made it very clear she knows she made a huge mistake and she's apologized for it multiple times. Throughout the aftershow you can tell she regrets it. Thats not playing the victim.
i was more referring to the way cara stayed silent towards bananas and vinny's ribbings. thats the only time i felt bad for her and wanted to take her side which is something i thought would not happen in a long time
my criticisms are more towards the people who are trying to find fault in abrams behavior when caras crime was so much worse. like the person up there is so focused on abrams so called emotional abuse after everything he has been through...like i understand cara's squeeky neotenous voice and weak personality and small brain make people want to defend and nurture her all the time like a ******** helpless child but nah theres no defending or deflecting of her actions here. she ****** up and the focus needs to be on that, not some bullshit suspicious creepy mannerisms that abe has that people are assuming to be indications of emotional abuse
What Cara did was wrong, 100% wrong. She is completely at fault for cheating and lying about it for months. That said, it's not easy being with someone like Abe. He is absolutely psychotic, and his behaviour has been encouraged and enabled by producers, fans and fellow cast members, for years. He's crazy Abe. He's a wild card; fun loving when he wants to be, but ultimately unpredictable and dangerous. I'm sure that appealed to Cara when she first joined the cast and met him on Cutthroat, but that doesn't make for a healthy relationship or a stable partner. We've seen him time and again make graphic threats against Thomas, threats that are anything but empty, unlike that which leaves the mouth of John, Zach, Laurel, Nia, etc. I'll say it again: Imagine being in a relationship with that guy. The worst part is, not only is he dangerous, he's also articulate, which means he will do wrong by you and trick you into thinking it's your fault. I'm not justifying what Cara did, but the way she went about it makes a lot of sense and is pretty much textbook when it comes emotional abuse. Up to and including her trying to defend him on twitter.
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
How exactly did SHE do it? She hasn't said anything bad about Abram, she actually said that she was ashamed of HER actions, that She made a mistake, she said "I caused pain to the person I love". She went on Twitter to say "I am not and have never been abused" and somehow people see her as the one leading a crussade agains Abe? That whole aftershow was a disgusting **** shaming tirade and she didn't even try to defend herself. If people see Abram as a disturbed human being, it has nothing to do with Cara's actions. He brought in on himself by behaving like an animal for years. He's in his mid-30s and hasn't learned from his mistakes, he won't even take responsibility for behaving inappropiately.
oh please he behaved like any appropriate healthy, non castrated man would when they get cheated on. They get angry. What did u expect him to do? Cry curl up into a ball then go home to binge on several quarts of breyers chocolate ice cream while watching reruns of Oprah?
v123 you make no sense. First you say that Cara had nothing to say and then you say she's playing the victim. She made it very clear she knows she made a huge mistake and she's apologized for it multiple times. Throughout the aftershow you can tell she regrets it. Thats not playing the victim.
Exactly, she didn't even try to defend herself, she actually said "There's nothing I can say to defend myself, I ****** up, I'm sorry," but somehow people who hate her still see that as playing the victim. She went on Twitter and Instagram, she said she was disgusted by her actions, she took responsibility. What else is she supposed to say now?
And I agree that ith Abram having an abusive streek and the fact that, unlike CT, he isn't even apologetic about it. CT is violent, but he knows it's wrong. Abram actually went on Twitter to defend his actions on the aftershow. He said he wasn't sorry for the way he acted.
uhh yeah she did. seeing as you're a cara maria hater it's understandable that you think her and Thomas went all the way.
Give me a f@@@ing break... She was scared of laurel and everyone else on these shows for years.. she does this **** and then gains followers because she likes to play the picked on girl. It's so manipulative it makes me sick. But lets blame Abram because he is psycho right? When even Coral goes out of her way to defend him and say its her loss. Robin said Abram has a calming effect on her and cohutta says he's never seen him bully anyone in his life. Its sad how she's turned this already horrible situation on its head and making people take swipes at Abram. Leave the poor guy alone with that shit!
abram has no one to blame but himself for the public perception that he's certifiable. He knew he was being taped.....
How exactly did SHE do it? She hasn't said anything bad about Abram, she actually said that she was ashamed of HER actions, that She made a mistake, she said "I caused pain to the person I love". She went on Twitter to say "I am not and have never been abused" and somehow people see her as the one leading a crussade agains Abe? That whole aftershow was a disgusting **** shaming tirade and she didn't even try to defend herself. If people see Abram as a disturbed human being, it has nothing to do with Cara's actions. He brought in on himself by behaving like an animal for years. He's in his mid-30s and hasn't learned from his mistakes, he won't even take responsibility for behaving inappropiately.
Cara has not confirmed anything negative towards abe, only denied them. She tweeted he's not a bad person and he doesn't physically abuse her. A lot of people assumed that he was physically abusing her, she couldve easily stayed silent and played the victim but she didn't because she obviously cares about him. She's owned up to her mistake more than once. She hasnt even tried to defend herself because she knows it was wrong. As for the whole "scared of laurel" thing it's all in your head and has no relevance to whats going on between her and abe.
Why should he be sorry? Cara cheated on him on TV and had to hear it from other people. He's going to be ****** off like most people would and if you asked me she deserved every bit of what Abram gave her.
It's "**** shaming" to be called out for cheating on your live-in boyfriend of five years? **** shaming is what's done to people who are single and enjoy dating and sleeping with other people and is, for the most part, wrong. Bringing someone to the mat for cheating and lying about it isn't **** shaming and it is something that someone should be ashamed of.
He shouldn't be sorry for being angry. He has every right to be angry. But when you actually love someone, no matter how big of a fight you get into, you don't let outsiders (such as bananas) trample all over that person. He continues to say that he loves cara but yet lets irrelevant people pick on her. If anything he seems to enjoy seeing everyone harrass her. It's a very toxic and unhealthy relationship where he seems to get off her being emotionally weak. Everyone deserves a second chance, which is what she gave him when he embarassed both of them by smudging his faeces in his jail cell when he got arrested.
Cara played victim that's what she did. She made the situation worse by doing what she does best. Yeah she's saying those things now but everything she said on the show is whats making Abe look bad. She's lying out of her *** left and right. Goes on the shows tells Jamie she's planning on breaking up with Abram but before she leaves for the show she tells Abe she wants to win so they can buy a new house together ?!. This girl is ******* mess of lies and being fake Cara Maria has hit a new level of annoying.
I agree with ALL of this.
Abe said before in an interview that he doesn't watch tv and has never seen an episode of the challenge so I think Caramaria thought she could get a way with it at least during filming until people over social media or a friend told him. I think she thought she had time but once Abe showed up it kind of ruined everything.
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**** did anyone say that cara maria was being **** shamed? i think it was said she was being verbally abused on television by 3 guys
I would have quoted what I was responding to but my quote function hasn't been working. A few posts up from mine it says "That whole aftershow was a disgusting **** shaming tirade". Cara Maria wasn't being **** shamed. I wouldn't even call (if she was being honest, which is a separate debate) a few make out sessions being a ****. But it is being a cheater and a liar. Which she was appropriately called out for. To skew it as **** shaming is really reaching.
Well again he was ****** at her so he probably didn't give a shit..But I do agree with you on that. He should've gotten into Backpack's *** like all his allies do on a daily basis but he was rightfully and understadibly so focused on Cara.
And yeah....I don't know where this **** shaming shit came from but none of this has anything to do with that. It's someone being called out for being a ******* cheater and liar
this is a mess
This! I feel so bad for Abe. So he not only gets cheated on and humiliated on TV, but now everyone is calling him an abuser. Watching Cara is definitely a lesson on how to get away with shit. Just lie until you can't lie anymore because you got caught, say you're sorry, then sit there and look sad and attacked, and all of a sudden the tables are turned. You're the victim and the person you ****** over is a crazy, psycho, abuser.
I also still don't think she's being 100% truthful. I don't know if they had ***, but you don't go in the "bathroom" for making out and back rubs. But there's no film evidence so she is free to say what she wants.
i was more referring to the way cara stayed silent towards bananas and vinny's ribbings. thats the only time i felt bad for her and wanted to take her side which is something i thought would not happen in a long time
my criticisms are more towards the people who are trying to find fault in abrams behavior when caras crime was so much worse. like the person up there is so focused on abrams so called emotional abuse after everything he has been through...like i understand cara's squeeky neotenous voice and weak personality and small brain make people want to defend and nurture her all the time like a ******** helpless child but nah theres no defending or deflecting of her actions here. she ****** up and the focus needs to be on that, not some bullshit suspicious creepy mannerisms that abe has that people are assuming to be indications of emotional abuse
What Cara did was wrong, 100% wrong. She is completely at fault for cheating and lying about it for months. That said, it's not easy being with someone like Abe. He is absolutely psychotic, and his behaviour has been encouraged and enabled by producers, fans and fellow cast members, for years. He's crazy Abe. He's a wild card; fun loving when he wants to be, but ultimately unpredictable and dangerous. I'm sure that appealed to Cara when she first joined the cast and met him on Cutthroat, but that doesn't make for a healthy relationship or a stable partner. We've seen him time and again make graphic threats against Thomas, threats that are anything but empty, unlike that which leaves the mouth of John, Zach, Laurel, Nia, etc. I'll say it again: Imagine being in a relationship with that guy. The worst part is, not only is he dangerous, he's also articulate, which means he will do wrong by you and trick you into thinking it's your fault. I'm not justifying what Cara did, but the way she went about it makes a lot of sense and is pretty much textbook when it comes emotional abuse. Up to and including her trying to defend him on twitter.
oh please he behaved like any appropriate healthy, non castrated man would when they get cheated on. They get angry. What did u expect him to do? Cry curl up into a ball then go home to binge on several quarts of breyers chocolate ice cream while watching reruns of Oprah?
If another mod wants to unlock this thread they can feel free to do so but I'm locking it. This whole Cara and Abe topic is draining.
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