The Challenge: Battle of the Exes 2 - Where is the Love?

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Sorry, but putting Easy and Devyn together as a pair (or do another storyline with them) would the reason why the show would never, ever gain viewers again....

I never said I wanted them on this season. I would hate for Devyn to be stuck with him. I was just saying that I'm fatigued by repetitive storylines season after season, give me something fresh and new. CT & Diem's storyline meet neither the fresh nor new requirement.

Between Duel 2 and Exes 1, there were four challenges and three years apart. So they're storyline fit perfectly the Exes 1 theme and definitely felt fresh/new if you look at social media where everybody freaked out once they knew Diem / CT were part of this and CT's behaviour and hooking up with other girls in front of Diem to get her mad was also a fresh/new storyline for the franchise. I don't understand you what you're saying.

What "new" storylines did Devyn brought to the table? The weak competitor or was it "the trying to be funny" one (She got owned on FA by so many regarding of funny  one liners)? Devyn is soooooo overhyped on this board and I'm glad she's done.

The point is that Ct/Diem thing was done before and it was tiring to see it rehashed again. I don't care how popular they are. Seeing the same shit over and over is TIRING and is a big problem with this show.

I swear I don't understand the fans that just want to see the same old shit and the same old people over and over again. Not realizing that that's one of the big reasons why this show isn't doing so hot.

Sorry, but putting Easy and Devyn together as a pair (or do another storyline with them) would the reason why the show would never, ever gain viewers again....

I never said I wanted them on this season. I would hate for Devyn to be stuck with him. I was just saying that I'm fatigued by repetitive storylines season after season, give me something fresh and new. CT & Diem's storyline meet neither the fresh nor new requirement.

Between Duel 2 and Exes 1, there were four challenges and three years apart. So they're storyline fit perfectly the Exes 1 theme and definitely felt fresh/new if you look at social media where everybody freaked out once they knew Diem / CT were part of this and CT's behaviour and hooking up with other girls in front of Diem to get her mad was also a fresh/new storyline for the franchise. I don't understand you what you're saying.

What "new" storylines did Devyn brought to the table? The weak competitor or was it "the trying to be funny" one (She got owned on FA by so many regarding of funny  one liners)? Devyn is soooooo overhyped on this board and I'm glad she's done.

The point is that Ct/Diem thing was done before and it was tiring to see it rehashed again. I don't care how popular they are. Seeing the same shit over and over is TIRING and is a big problem with this show.

I swear I don't understand the fans that just want to see the same old shit and the same old people over and over again. Not realizing that that's one of the big reasons why this show isn't doing so hot.

Sorry, but putting Easy and Devyn together as a pair (or do another storyline with them) would the reason why the show would never, ever gain viewers again....

I never said I wanted them on this season. I would hate for Devyn to be stuck with him. I was just saying that I'm fatigued by repetitive storylines season after season, give me something fresh and new. CT & Diem's storyline meet neither the fresh nor new requirement.

Between Duel 2 and Exes 1, there were four challenges and three years apart. So they're storyline fit perfectly the Exes 1 theme and definitely felt fresh/new if you look at social media where everybody freaked out once they knew Diem / CT were part of this and CT's behaviour and hooking up with other girls in front of Diem to get her mad was also a fresh/new storyline for the franchise. I don't understand you what you're saying.

What "new" storylines did Devyn brought to the table? The weak competitor or was it "the trying to be funny" one (She got owned on FA by so many regarding of funny  one liners)? Devyn is soooooo overhyped on this board and I'm glad she's done.

The point is that Ct/Diem thing was done before and it was tiring to see it rehashed again. I don't care how popular they are. Seeing the same shit over and over is TIRING and is a big problem with this show.

I swear I don't understand the fans that just want to see the same old shit and the same old people over and over again. Not realizing that that's one of the big reasons why this show isn't doing so hot.


CT & Diem bring in much more ratings than new stories.

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**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over.

#iCant

CT & Diem will probably bring the ratings for this challenge one last time, but obviously they will not be appearing on any ever again (CT may come back but very unlikely as of right now). Johnny B./Nany do jack shit for ratings despite them being "popular".

It's time to start experimenting again.

CT & Diem will probably bring the ratings for this challenge one last time, but obviously they will not be appearing on any ever again (CT may come back but very unlikely as of right now). Johnny B./Nany do jack shit for ratings despite them being "popular".

It's time to start experimenting again.

Exactly. CT/Diem is done and Backpack ain't cutting it anymore. Something new and fresh needs to happen...Something that doesn't include bringing in random ***************** from another show.

The solution is called pick up the phone and call Beth and Coral. Put those big unnecessary appearances fees they give people like CT and Nany towards something useful.

I think im able to livestream the american mtv, how long is it until it begins?

CT & Diem will probably bring the ratings for this challenge one last time, but obviously they will not be appearing on any ever again (CT may come back but very unlikely as of right now). Johnny B./Nany do jack shit for ratings despite them being "popular".

It's time to start experimenting again.

Exactly. CT/Diem is done and Backpack ain't cutting it anymore. Something new and fresh needs to happen...Something that doesn't include bringing in random ***************** from another show.

I know people think Bananas won't ever retire but I feel like Bananas will be done soon. I see him only having 1 or 2 more challenges in him. JMO

I hope I'm wrong Sad

CT & Diem will probably bring the ratings for this challenge one last time, but obviously they will not be appearing on any ever again (CT may come back but very unlikely as of right now). Johnny B./Nany do jack shit for ratings despite them being "popular".

It's time to start experimenting again.

Exactly. CT/Diem is done and Backpack ain't cutting it anymore. Something new and fresh needs to happen...Something that doesn't include bringing in random ***************** from another show.


Bananas will never cut it in your mind. Glad you don't speak for everyone though.

Can ask anything to Jon Murray now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2rj5vt/i_am_jon_murray_creator_of...

 

Jon was stumping for ratings at the start of his chat (Real World hasn't done well first 3 episodes):

"Please watch the RW and Challenge tonight live and not on dvr or online."

 

RW episode 1:  654K viewers

RW episode 2:  509K viewers

RW episode 3:  668K viewers

 

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

The solution is called pick up the phone and call Beth and Coral. Put those big unnecessary appearances fees they give people like CT and Nany towards something useful.

Definitely. These two need to show up and show some of these basics what a Challenge personality is actually like.

Sorry, but putting Easy and Devyn together as a pair (or do another storyline with them) would the reason why the show would never, ever gain viewers again....

I never said I wanted them on this season. I would hate for Devyn to be stuck with him. I was just saying that I'm fatigued by repetitive storylines season after season, give me something fresh and new. CT & Diem's storyline meet neither the fresh nor new requirement.

Between Duel 2 and Exes 1, there were four challenges and three years apart. So they're storyline fit perfectly the Exes 1 theme and definitely felt fresh/new if you look at social media where everybody freaked out once they knew Diem / CT were part of this and CT's behaviour and hooking up with other girls in front of Diem to get her mad was also a fresh/new storyline for the franchise. I don't understand you what you're saying.

What "new" storylines did Devyn brought to the table? The weak competitor or was it "the trying to be funny" one (She got owned on FA by so many regarding of funny  one liners)? Devyn is soooooo overhyped on this board and I'm glad she's done.

The point is that Ct/Diem thing was done before and it was tiring to see it rehashed again. I don't care how popular they are. Seeing the same shit over and over is TIRING and is a big problem with this show.

I swear I don't understand the fans that just want to see the same old shit and the same old people over and over again. Not realizing that that's one of the big reasons why this show isn't doing so hot.

I think if you don't care how popular they are then you're just igonoring the reason why they get cast every time and they still give BMP / MTV ratings and I think to most of the fans their storyline is not tiring, because they never had the same storyline in any of their season they did together, it was a constent ride with it's ups and downs. 

But I do agree with you that BMP / MTV lost it somewhere when they started casting the same people and put just competition over storylines.  

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

I don't think they were the problem, but their other choices / options with this theme that has been giving to them. 

The solution is called pick up the phone and call Beth and Coral. Put those big unnecessary appearances fees they give people like CT and Nany towards something useful.

The solution is called pick up the phone and call Beth and Coral. Put those big unnecessary appearances fees they give people like CT and Nany towards something useful.

Definitely. These two need to show up and show some of these basics what a Challenge personality is actually like.

Coral, Beth, Katie, Verancula & Rachel vs. Nia, Theresa, Marie, Nany & Laurel

 

ay dios

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

My only thing with this is why not just have 16 pairs? That would've solved everything right there; The AYTO teams, Darrell/Rachel & all the other "almost" rookie teams would be on.

The old thing is nonsense too but remember being 30 & having children = boring. Nobody will tell me that Darrell wouldn't still show out if he's pushed to do so.

I think im able to livestream the american mtv, how long is it until it begins?

Just under 3 hours from now.

At this point people like Coral, Beth, Rachel, Darrell, Tina can't do shit for the ratings. I think we here at Vevmo over estimate how small of a group we are. The truth is that 20 people's opinion on Vevmo does not translate to millions of viewers on TV. Sorry. It is what it is. At this point there is no strategy that can help this show get 3 million viewers. As far as Real World and The challenge, some people here just need to accept their time has passed. Casting can't change that. Not when there's Love and Hip Hop, the Kardashians, and Bravo tv. It's ****** up but it's the way of the world. Nobody gives a **** about The Challenge people anymore. Most of them can barley make appearances at decent clubs anymore meanwhile some reality people are making 25,000 to 100,000 just to walk through clubs. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. Or don't accept it and watch something else lol

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

My only thing with this is why not just have 16 pairs? That would've solved everything right there; The AYTO teams, Darrell/Rachel & all the other "almost" rookie teams would be on.

The old thing is nonsense too but remember being 30 & having children = boring. Nobody will tell me that Darrell wouldn't still show out if he's pushed to do so.

Not true at all...especially not when you get a break from that life.

I still maintain...I'm 37 with 3 kids and I've been married for over a decade.  I have a "real job" and I would have done anything necessary to find 4-6 weeks off a year to do a challenge because I love to compete.  There's plenty of others out there that would as well.  If you don't think people married with children would love a vacation where they could drink and have a good time with others that want to drink and have a good time I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty of married people with kids that travel more than that for their jobs

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

My only thing with this is why not just have 16 pairs? That would've solved everything right there; The AYTO teams, Darrell/Rachel & all the other "almost" rookie teams would be on.

The old thing is nonsense too but remember being 30 & having children = boring. Nobody will tell me that Darrell wouldn't still show out if he's pushed to do so.

Not true at all...especially not when you get a break from that life.

I still maintain...I'm 37 with 3 kids and I've been married for over a decade.  I have a "real job" and I would have done anything necessary to find 4-6 weeks off a year to do a challenge because I love to compete.  There's plenty of others out there that would as well.  If you don't think people married with children would love a vacation where they could drink and have a good time with others that want to drink and have a good time I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty of married people with kids that travel more than that for their jobs

**** I know some 40-year olds who still love to get drunk & party, might not hook up all over the place lol but they'll still have a good time. Most of these older cast members (especially Darrell/Rachel/Mark) are also obviously still in great shape, in Darrell's case better shape than he ever was on the older challenges.

At this point people like Coral, Beth, Rachel, Darrell, Tina can't do shit for the ratings. I think we here at Vevmo over estimate how small of a group we are. The truth is that 20 people's opinion on Vevmo does not translate to millions of viewers on TV. Sorry. It is what it is. At this point there is no strategy that can help this show get 3 million viewers. As far as Real World and The challenge, some people here just need to accept their time has passed. Casting can't change that. . Not when there's Love and Hip Hop, the Kardashians, and Bravo tv. It's ****** up but it's the way of the world. Nobody gives a **** about The Challenge people anymore. Most of them can barley make appearances at decent clubs anymore meanwhile some reality people are making 25,000 to 100,000 just to walk through clubs. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. Or don't accept it and watch something else lol

Now the bolded I agree with 100%.

I think with the answer Jon Murray gave today about bringing old school people should clear that he is not interested on bringing them back, the excuse of most of them have jobs, kids etc sound really fake , when people like  Darrell wanted to comeback this season, brad wanted on free agents, and mark is always campaigning to comeback.

bmp is no longer interested on the old school vets.

At this point people like Coral, Beth, Rachel, Darrell, Tina can't do shit for the ratings. I think we here at Vevmo over estimate how small of a group we are. The truth is that 20 people's opinion on Vevmo does not translate to millions of viewers on TV. Sorry. It is what it is. At this point there is no strategy that can help this show get 3 million viewers. As far as Real World and The challenge, some people here just need to accept their time has passed. Casting can't change that. Not when there's Love and Hip Hop, the Kardashians, and Bravo tv. It's ****** up but it's the way of the world. Nobody gives a **** about The Challenge people anymore. Most of them can barley make appearances at decent clubs anymore meanwhile some reality people are making 25,000 to 100,000 just to walk through clubs. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. Or don't accept it and watch something else lol

I do agree with you..I do think that the old-schoolers time has passed and The Challenge is pretty much irrelevant as far as Reality TV now..this shows heyday is over but that doesn't mean it still can't keep trucking along and produce a good show..That's all I want at least. It's never gonna get back to the glory days but it sure as **** can be better than what it is now and it can get better ratings than they do now.

**** some people would really rather watch the same shit over and over. #iCant

They have plenty of options with Real World/Road Rules without resorting to desperate measures.  There were so many legit options for this season.  People can say whatever they want but there's no excuse for AYTO when Darrell/Rachel were more than willing to participate.  

And before someone says something ridiculous about them being old...Rachel's in her early 30 and Darrell's 34....not even close to old

My only thing with this is why not just have 16 pairs? That would've solved everything right there; The AYTO teams, Darrell/Rachel & all the other "almost" rookie teams would be on.

The old thing is nonsense too but remember being 30 & having children = boring. Nobody will tell me that Darrell wouldn't still show out if he's pushed to do so.

Not true at all...especially not when you get a break from that life.

I still maintain...I'm 37 with 3 kids and I've been married for over a decade.  I have a "real job" and I would have done anything necessary to find 4-6 weeks off a year to do a challenge because I love to compete.  There's plenty of others out there that would as well.  If you don't think people married with children would love a vacation where they could drink and have a good time with others that want to drink and have a good time I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty of married people with kids that travel more than that for their jobs



I think the main problem BMP / MTV has with this is though, if you (37-years-old married with 3 kids) go to compete and go to a house where you want to stay out of the drama as much as possible as you want to enjor your time there, than they're more youngier people (maybe in the pool if you were someone from RW / RR) that will get into hook-ups, drunking arguments or fights and that in this key lately in the recent reality tv field that BMP / MTV is going where it's all about drama, hook-ups, fights, arguments, stripclubs as I feel it.
Plus, if you watch this show with your family and friends together, people will question your motives why you went on going into that "Rated-r" looking show and they might be ashamed of your participation on that show. 

I think with the answer Jon Murray gave today about bringing old school people should clear that he is not interested on bringing them back, the excuse of most of them have jobs, kids etc sound really fake , when people like  Darrell wanted to comeback this season, brad wanted on free agents, and mark is always campaigning to comeback.

bmp is no longer interested on the old school vets.

It was definitely full of shit, i'm sure a lot of his answers were.

I think the main problem BMP / MTV has with this is though, if you (37-years-old married with 3 kids) go to compete and go to a house where you want to stay out of the drama as much as possible as you want to enjor your time there, than they're more youngier people (maybe in the pool if you were someone from RW / RR) that will get into hook-ups, drunking arguments or fights and that in this key lately in the recent reality tv field that BMP / MTV is going where it's all about drama, hook-ups, fights, arguments, stripclubs as I feel it.
Plus, if you watch this show with your family and friends together, people will question your motives why you went on going into that "Rated-r" looking show and they might be ashamed of your participation on that show. 

1.  Drama naturally exists when competition exists.  I'd be there to win.  There would be drama and likely drunken arguments because, if you haven't noticed, I voice my opinions--as do most people that have appeared on these shows over the years.

2.  Very few of these people have real hook-ups that get camera time.  Most of the hook-ups are either off-camera or staged.

3.  Motives?  THe motive is to win some ,oney and to compete.  Anyone that knows me wouldn't question my motivies or be ashamed.  Honestly, that's just nonsense.  If anyone's family/friends would questions them they need new friends and to consider disowning their family.

At this point people like Coral, Beth, Rachel, Darrell, Tina can't do shit for the ratings. I think we here at Vevmo over estimate how small of a group we are. The truth is that 20 people's opinion on Vevmo does not translate to millions of viewers on TV. Sorry. It is what it is. At this point there is no strategy that can help this show get 3 million viewers. As far as Real World and The challenge, some people here just need to accept their time has passed. Casting can't change that. Not when there's Love and Hip Hop, the Kardashians, and Bravo tv. It's ****** up but it's the way of the world. Nobody gives a **** about The Challenge people anymore. Most of them can barley make appearances at decent clubs anymore meanwhile some reality people are making 25,000 to 100,000 just to walk through clubs. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. Or don't accept it and watch something else lol

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the main problem BMP / MTV has with this is though, if you (37-years-old married with 3 kids) go to compete and go to a house where you want to stay out of the drama as much as possible as you want to enjor your time there, than they're more youngier people (maybe in the pool if you were someone from RW / RR) that will get into hook-ups, drunking arguments or fights and that in this key lately in the recent reality tv field that BMP / MTV is going where it's all about drama, hook-ups, fights, arguments, stripclubs as I feel it.
Plus, if you watch this show with your family and friends together, people will question your motives why you went on going into that "Rated-r" looking show and they might be ashamed of your participation on that show. 

1.  Drama naturally exists when competition exists.  I'd be there to win.  There would be drama and likely drunken arguments because, if you haven't noticed, I voice my opinions--as do most people that have appeared on these shows over the years.

2.  Very few of these people have real hook-ups that get camera time.  Most of the hook-ups are either off-camera or staged.

3.  Motives?  THe motive is to win some ,oney and to compete.  Anyone that knows me wouldn't question my motivies or be ashamed.  Honestly, that's just nonsense.  If anyone's family/friends would questions them they need new friends and to consider disowning their family.

Poor kids if they find out where you get / got your money ... Not that you can say : "Kids, I was young and needed the money..."

At this point people like Coral, Beth, Rachel, Darrell, Tina can't do shit for the ratings. I think we here at Vevmo over estimate how small of a group we are. The truth is that 20 people's opinion on Vevmo does not translate to millions of viewers on TV. Sorry. It is what it is. At this point there is no strategy that can help this show get 3 million viewers. As far as Real World and The challenge, some people here just need to accept their time has passed. Casting can't change that. Not when there's Love and Hip Hop, the Kardashians, and Bravo tv. It's ****** up but it's the way of the world. Nobody gives a **** about The Challenge people anymore. Most of them can barley make appearances at decent clubs anymore meanwhile some reality people are making 25,000 to 100,000 just to walk through clubs. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. Or don't accept it and watch something else lol

Unfortunatly, they don't care what the millions think.

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