The Challenge: All Stars 4 - Spoilers Discussion

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Tori lost an elimination to Aneesa...

Won a final against...Nany and Aneesa....

Tries to have a "blaccent", serial cheater, corny, and chilling with isis.

Y'all choose the worse Yt women to hype up, are there not better options Sad ?

I the issue with Cara it was never the amount of shows she did on a row she just have a complicated personality to get along once you have to live with her for x amount of days 

Idc if you're a winner or not, if your personality and who you are as a person is whack then you're whack.

Wins keep them in this delusion then they go back home and are the same corny, racist, shitty personalities ya all like, yuckk

I the issue with Cara it was never the amount of shows she did on a row she just have a complicated personality to get a long once you have to live with her for x amount of days 

Cara seems nice, but she also seems like one of those people whose life narrative you have to completely buy into in order to be friends with her. You have to tell her that she's right and accept her perceptions, which are becoming more and more deluded as the years go by. It doesn't surprise me that she had a hard time fitting in this season as there is a ton about her that is widely known that she will still expect people to ignore. The majority of this cast are not the types of people who would do that lol

Kam is a FLOP and will NEVER win. Overrated competitor. I can't wait for future seasons when people won't call her "killa" anymore cuz she can't even make it to the final for grandmas

wow Wow WOW you ain't have to be this honest today bestie Smile

 

I the issue with Cara it was never the amount of shows she did on a row she just have a complicated personality to get a long once you have to live with her for x amount of days 

Cara seems nice, but she also seems like one of those people whose life narrative you have to completely buy into in order to be friends with her. You have to tell her that she's right and accept her perceptions, which are becoming more and more deluded as the years go by

umm.. that's how most "celebrities" or people with clout are 

you don't think that's the same with wes, bananas, laurel etc ? 

 

 

I the issue with Cara it was never the amount of shows she did on a row she just have a complicated personality to get a long once you have to live with her for x amount of days 

Cara seems nice, but she also seems like one of those people whose life narrative you have to completely buy into in order to be friends with her. You have to tell her that she's right and accept her perceptions, which are becoming more and more deluded as the years go by

umm.. that's how most "celebrities" or people with clout are 

you don't think that's the same with wes, bananas, laurel etc ? 

But those people always tend to establish friendships atleast with their roomates

I think Rachel could've won this final had she made it, she thrives in finals.

I think Rachel could've won this final had she made it, she thrives in finals.

her last final was 13 years ago against a rookie and aneesa. I think she would do decent since she works out but then again laurel won so maybe not. I think experience matters more. While laurel takes breaks and hadn't been to a final in a decade she still had done more of these shows and challenges than rachel has.

So Cara couldn't keep up the redemption persona for an entire season? Even Johnny and Jordan managed to pull that off lol.

So Cara couldn't keep up the redemption persona for an entire season? Even Johnny and Jordan managed to pull that off lol.

her redemption era started as soon as she got off that plane hun. Her being back is enough for her. Plus tyrie left day1, She made it to the end and beat 2 strong girls...and even though she lost she'll be back on the main show. Sounds like a huge redemption.

Was it ever said if she and Tyrie spoke about that monkey video?

Tori lost an elimination to Aneesa...

Won a final against...Nany and Aneesa....

Tries to have a "blaccent", serial cheater, corny, and chilling with isis.

Y'all choose the worse Yt women to hype up, are there not better options ?

Let's be real...reality tv has never been about "good people"   Tori is a better competitor than Kam.  I don't think either is a good person but Kam's a better person that Tori for whatever that's worth. 

when cara gets the underdog hero edit and fans beg for her to return for 39 Smile oh i'm seeing the vision and i'm seeing it clearly 

when cara gets the underdog hero edit and fans beg for her to return for 39 oh i'm seeing the vision and i'm seeing it clearly 

Doubt most will be begging but she took a break so she can come back....just leave Paulie at home. 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

 

So Cara couldn't keep up the redemption persona for an entire season? Even Johnny and Jordan managed to pull that off lol.

her redemption era started as soon as she got off that plane hun. Her being back is enough for her. Plus tyrie left day1, She made it to the end and beat 2 strong girls...and even though she lost she'll be back on the main show. Sounds like a huge redemption.

I meant image redemption. John and Jordan understood the assignment to come back with a squeaky clean image and be boring af to get reused. Cara didn't understand that and it will prob cost her a spot on the main show. She didn't need a physical redemption. She's been a roided beast for a while now.

So Cara couldn't keep up the redemption persona for an entire season? Even Johnny and Jordan managed to pull that off lol.

her redemption era started as soon as she got off that plane hun. Her being back is enough for her. Plus tyrie left day1, She made it to the end and beat 2 strong girls...and even though she lost she'll be back on the main show. Sounds like a huge redemption.

I meant image redemption. John and Jordan understood the assignment to come back with a squeaky clean image and be boring af to get reused. Cara didn't understand that and it will prob cost her a spot on the main show. She didn't need a physical redemption. She's been a roided beast for a while now.

No Jordan didn't--Jordan tried but always reverted back to his normal-self.  See him in the final on S38 and even how he couldn't stop himself from taking a shot of Derrick.   John was also a complete **** to Nany in the final (most of the season really) but he's lucky that Nany played it off.   All comes down to Cara's edit if people will believe she changed or not.  Reality doesn't matter.

Tori lost an elimination to Aneesa...

Won a final against...Nany and Aneesa....

Tries to have a "blaccent", serial cheater, corny, and chilling with isis.

Y'all choose the worse Yt women to hype up, are there not better options ?

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

No Jordan didn't--Jordan tried but always reverted back to his normal-self.  See him in the final on S38 and even how he couldn't stop himself from taking a shot of Derrick.   John was also a complete **** to Nany in the final (most of the season really) but he's lucky that Nany played it off.   All comes down to Cara's edit if people will believe she changed or not.  Reality doesn't matter.

I haven't seem the final yet, I'm in the UK and just watching it on Paramount+. But I never thought Id say that I've been quite happy to have John back. He definitely understood what was needed of his return, and being with Nany definitely helped him.  Ill be ready to say I'm wrong but I don't see Cara giving us anything different from the entitled brat she's been of the last few (many) years. 

 

No Jordan didn't--Jordan tried but always reverted back to his normal-self.  See him in the final on S38 and even how he couldn't stop himself from taking a shot of Derrick.   John was also a complete **** to Nany in the final (most of the season really) but he's lucky that Nany played it off.   All comes down to Cara's edit if people will believe she changed or not.  Reality doesn't matter.

I haven't seem the final yet, I'm in the UK and just watching it on Paramount+. But I never thought Id say that I've been quite happy to have John back. He definitely understood what was needed of his return, and being with Nany definitely helped him.  Ill be ready to say I'm wrong but I don't see Cara giving us anything different from the entitled brat she's been of the last few (many) years. 

Oh I agree those 2 tried. Cara won't be able to fake it as long as they did 

 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

 

 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

I think Rachel just isn't used to the Challenge as it is. The others have been on far more and recently

 

 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

How did she perform?

 

 

 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

How did she perform?

pinkrose said she was average in the dailies, others did better than her.

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

How did she perform?

pinkrose said she was average in the dailies, others did better than her.

I don't recall that but she compete in, what, 3-4 missions?  It doesn't mean much.  I will say Rachel was always slightly overrated (especially as an elimination threat) but she killed every final she was in even if they weren't as hard as the modern day finals.

 

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

How did she perform?

pinkrose said she was average in the dailies, others did better than her.

I don't recall that but she compete in, what, 3-4 missions?  It doesn't mean much.  I will say Rachel was always slightly overrated (especially as an elimination threat) but she killed every final she was in even if they weren't as hard as the modern day finals.

Mostly anthing that can be accomplished in a gym Rachel is very good at. Its the technical stuff were she is actually pretty bad. Looking at Battle of the Sexes as an example, there were few strength/endurance missions to keep it even so there were a lot of logic games, how long can you; breathe underwater, hang by your legs, sit on ice...etc. And Rachel was crap at all of those

I don't think Rachel would have done that great against these modern girls in the final. 

Just checked and Rachel is only 2 years older than Laurel and 3 years older than Cara lol

 

I didn't say that based on age, but what we've heard based on how she's performed. There's more to a final than just endurance and a lot of the other people that made the final also have endurance.

How did she perform?

pinkrose said she was average in the dailies, others did better than her.

I don't recall that but she compete in, what, 3-4 missions?  It doesn't mean much.  I will say Rachel was always slightly overrated (especially as an elimination threat) but she killed every final she was in even if they weren't as hard as the modern day finals.

Mostly anthing that can be accomplished in a gym Rachel is very good at. Its the technical stuff were she is actually pretty bad. Looking at Battle of the Sexes as an example, there were few strength/endurance missions to keep it even so there were a lot of logic games, how long can you; breathe underwater, hang by your legs, sit on ice...etc. And Rachel was crap at all of those

Rachel sucked at Sargeant Says (following directions was never something she was good at) and Dead Man's Drop but did fine on the others except maybe the Bungee/Holding Breath one--I can't recall where she finished on that.

I don't think anyone ever ranked Rachel over Laurel or Cara (and Ev and Emily) even back when they were debuting, so Rachel is rated fine imo. Her and Jodi were often left out of the conversation if you ask me. I'd love to see how she would do in a final with newer folks. What's the worse that could happen? Ya'll think she would perform like the Jemmye's of the world? C'mon now.

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