[QUOTE=RW561015;124551]OK, that's who she said. I remember V1man said Johnny bragged about doing all of the Sydney girls. I thought I read she had something with Dunbar as well, but I didn't see her season.
Wes seems to think once you date someone, you are entitled or linked to them forever. He said he took Cohutta's girlfriend. And of course he was saying Johanna embarrassed him by hooking up with Kenny, and that Kenny was wrong for getting with her (even though she was single). This is almost like the Diem/CT thing, except Diem had a lot of people on her side and looking at Shavoun like she was wrong to get with CT, but people don't seem to be on Wes's side.[/QUOTE]
Don't recall where I read this but I think people are siding with Johanna because Wes refused to move to Peru when she was competing for Miss Peru. Why did Wes refer to her as his ex-fiance? I don't think they were ever engaged but his delusions about their relationship certainly make for good TV.
Diem and Shauvon seemed to get along on this episode. Did Shauvon cave to peer pressure and apologize to Diem? Will never understand this so there must be something about the depth of their relationship and how much CT meant to Diem that wasn't shown.
[QUOTE=Insider;124571]I agree. I don't think Chet was the best to take out Wes either... I dunno what's going on in those brains.[/QUOTE]
Johanna is right. Nick would have been the best choice.
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She looked the best out of all the ladies in this episode.
[QUOTE=RMD1;124665]Because Tonya, as well as the rest of the cast, knew Diem would lose on purpose![/QUOTE]
Diem did stall on the last bamboo rung but Kim's reaction was kinda over the top. Never pictured Kim as the dramatic type. But in any case, she probably needed the money for her website so you gotta respect Diem for that.
This show will be fantastic. I have a feeling that Danny will for the 1st time in a challenge actually beat someone in a faceoff. (I know this is suprising) I also think the challengers will definately shock some people because they can put their egos aside and work more collectively as a team as opposed to the circus that is the winners.
1.How come cohutta and Adam are both on the same challenge. This sucks for challengers as they both are so small and aren't that big.
2. SO glad they didn't give the invite to big E or Ryan they never challenge to win the whole challenge. Next time forget Casey as she has a history of losing.
3. Why on the champs would they put Kenny, Evan, and Johnny together these guys are so boring and annoying and no one ever stands up to them even though only one of is a physical challenge to beat on the challenge. (It's Evan) Kenny lost to nehemiah in a duel and Johnny has looked less than impressive in any of his challenges except the island.
4. Instead of Kenny and Johnny why not bring Abrham and I don't know maybe Frank that I feel would make it more entertaining.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;124724]I never knew that Katie was scared of heights...and dangling.[/QUOTE]
Is this a joke? Because if it's not, there evidence to support that she is. Such as the 12 minutes it took her to jump on the Bungee Bound mission on the Inferno 1, and her refusing to participate on the mission where they climbed up and down ladders on the edge of a building on The Gantlet 3.
The first episode was awesome though. It reminded me why I love the challenges. Wes is awesome, and I know he could beat anyone on his team. Johnny, Evan and Kenny need to remember who they lost to on The Duel 1. I think Johnny, Evan and Kenny also don't like Wes because he's been the star of every challenge he's been on thus far, and they don't like that.
By the way, I LOVE the individual bank idea. And the Tonya proved herself!
Overall, it was an amazing episode. No complaints at all!
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just felt obligated to post on my new favorite obsession, mtv the ruins...first let me say that the heavens must be playing havoc with everyone. It is so blatantly obvious from the first episode what is really going on, and with whom we should align ourselves in this "love pentagon." Let me start on the very precocious Johanna Botta. I didn't like this chick from day 1 when she appeared on Real World Austin. She came in stating that she could get any guy she wanted- thinking that she would be the "pretty girl of the house." But she was in for a rude awakening. We got a glimpse of her true tactics...did you guys forget this eager broad kissed Danny on the first episode?! I always said her reason being that she **** well knew his interest was in the very pretty and spunky Melinda, with whom she felt competition. Alas, we were introduced to Johanna who uses whatever tactics she can to get what she wants! And so, we also met Wes- a small town, racist egomaniac with a very uneventful life. Upon meeting, they didn't really like each other! Johanna didn't seem like Wes's type (he looked like the blue eyed type) rarely exposed to a Latina woman, but they became friends. I always felt that because Johanna could not get Danny, she didn't mind the attention she was getting from Wes. And the same for Wes who noticed that in his interaction with a cultural woman, that perhaps there was beauty in that as well. She opened up his eyes. Johanna seemed to have fallen for Wes primarily because he gave her the attention she gave, but eventually she loved Wes simply because he was dope! Initially, I can sense Johanna falling for but not truly loving Wes. Females like Johanna think love is all about them! But I see Wes learning to truly love Johanna, after he learned to love himself first... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So, time evolved and I feel that maybe life got in the way. On RW/RR Fresh Meat, I realized that Johanna seemed to feel she was the prize for Wes. It didn't help that people like Kenny kept gassing her already inflated ego. Now remember, everyone seems to bring up Wes's ego, but its common law that you attract who you are: Johanna's ego is just as big if not bigger! And looking between the lines, I think they had a lot of ego going on in the relationship- and Wes got the raw deal. **** gets tiring after a while when someone you love makes you feel inadequate by thinking that they are your privilege and that you are the lucky one. That **** is abusive! When I saw him disrespect her on TV, I think it was a build up of pain. Johanna is just as highly opinionated and JOCK-like as Wes...so I doubt she was the victim of his atrocities as they so poignantly kept stating (give me a break!!)!!![/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It didn't surprise me that they broke up after a while. I'm sure they had a catastrophic break-up being engaged and all. And when Johanna went on the The Island and ****ed Kenny over and over, that didn't surprise me either. It was funny that she was called out by Robin and tried to still have that air of superiority. But you can tell her *** was exposed and feeling like a *****! And as the game proceeded, Johanna clung herself to Kenny and the others as she usually clings to someone to get somewhere in the game, but it was all her competitive ploy! What better way to hurt the man who broke your heart than to **** the man who hated him? Come on people, she did the **** on NATIONAL television for a national reaction. She wanted Wes to see. Ladies we all know the game! And to find out on the reunion that he was messing with Kelly Anne was all the more reason for us to know that she knew Wes was doing him and needed to stick it to him good. As far as Kenny, Kenny was her catalyst but Kenny just wanted ***- he also hated Wes and knew that this was his way of gaining the respect of his peers for screwing Wes'***-fiancé. Kenny and Johanna are obviously friends because they are both losers who have one thing in common: screwing people over to boost their pumped up egos! [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Fast forward to this season of The Ruins. Enters the very promiscuous Kelly Anne. She's a joke and has serious issues with other women. You can tell that naturally she is very conniving and has a big *** mouth to match! And Cohutta knows it. Wes is a little more naive. As big as he speaks, he is still that small town boy. He likes Kelly Anne a lot. He probably enjoys *** with her too! But he does not love her. As hard it is for me to say, he truly loves Johanna. But some times you have to realize that loving someone is not the only factor. Johanna proves herself a woman unlovable. You can't keep loving someone who doesn't truly understand what love means. Johanna chomped Wes on TV. Johanna allowed Wes's mom/family to see her **** other dudes. That is not respectable! Perhaps that is why he made the statement about them not standing a chance because of what she did! Wes can't go back with her when everyone is looking at how ugly she treats herself! Bear in mind, Johanna is OLDER than Wes but acting younger. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Now while she enters The Ruins, she is playing a dirty game. All that beef going on with Kenny/Evan/Johnny was caused by Johanna. She is the reason why there is no unison. My mom says that love and hate have a fine line and for some people are two of the same. She hates Wes because he has moved on, but she loves him because he taught her what love truly means! But rather than her OLD *** admitting it, she continuously snakes around. As many females do. She's jealous as **** that "ugly *** Wes is not sweating me." And she is super jealous of Kelly Anne who loves being envied. Johanna wants Wes to still be on her **** even though she knows deep down he lost all respect for her. So she wants no one to respect him in return. It's called projection! All that hoe calling towards Kelly Anne, I bet you Johanna loves and has a part in. She wants Wes to lack the respect for Kelly Anne that he feels for her. The comment about Kelly Anne being a "hoe for a housewife" was really a ploy to make her look worse than Johanna. It is simple kindergarten **** to make Wes lose respect for new girl...and eventually run back to old girl! "Maybe if she looks worse than me, I can have my man back" said you know who![/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]When they had that conversation outside before Evan entered, it spoke volumes. Look at Johanna's eyes towards Wes, clearly a woman in love. I think that through everything, Wes was really the love of her life! And look at Wes. He loves her still, but does not want to put himself out there. Quite frankly, he does not want to be with a woman like her. Wes has learned that beauty is not everything. You saw hurt in his eyes. He really hates the situation. Or when she turned on him at the meeting, you could sense the tension, and the fact that Wes and Johanna still deal with each other. You know, ex syndrome: They still talk. They still reminisce. BUT although Wes loves her, once a woman proves herself a loose/vindictive/trifling/shady/disloyal female- it is very difficult for that man to love her the same! But I know that it is Johanna who really can't let go. Say what you want but all you have to do is watch. Everything she does revolves around hurting Wes. I know this because she is the one that came to him in that white dress before the challenge. And she is the one who rooted for him while he was competing. Johanna does not want Wes to move on. But she does a lot of pretending on TV! I just can't wait for the **** to really unfold![/FONT][/COLOR]
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
[QUOTE][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]When they had that conversation outside before Evan entered, it spoke volumes. Look at Johanna's eyes towards Wes, clearly a woman in love. I think that through everything, Wes was really the love of her life! And look at Wes. He loves her still, but does not want to put himself out there.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I agree that more is there then either of them will admit out loud, with their tone and body language speaking volumes about the deep seated feelings which still remain.
Although on another note, it is interesting that Johanna wanted Nick to face Wes rather than opting for the "easier" out in Chet. I suppose it was more of a show of force rather than an actual intention.
Or at least that is what I surmise with my experience and pedigree as an amateur reality show psychologist. :wink2:
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;124733]I don't even remember any of that stuff about Katie.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, I want to apologize for the "is that a joke comment." When I read your original post, I thought you were joking. I don't want you to take it the wrong way.
But in the Inferno 1, on the episode where Leah was taken to the hospital, there was a bungee jumping challenge and Katie hesitated for 12 minutes before she even jumped.
On the Gauntlet 3, there was a challenge when the players had to climb down a latter to get a flag, then climb back up. It was on the day Katie went into the Gauntlet, and she said she was less afraid of the Gauntlet, so she wasn't going to participate. Of course, the veteran men threw the challenge anyways, so Katie's participation didn't matter.
Bacchus, as a fellow amateur reality show psychologist, I think Johanna wants to get rid of Wes because of guilt. Wes and Johanna still deal with each other! She's not only embarrassed for herself, but she is ashamed and sad for Wes. She has a lot to hide. She knows what she did to make this problem. And she knows what she's doing behind everyone's back! Getting rid of Wes would take away a lot of her stress. But she will learn! What is in the dark will eventually come to the light!
[QUOTE=GoddessLyric;124736][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I just felt obligated to post on my new favorite obsession, mtv the ruins...first let me say that the heavens must be playing havoc with everyone. It is so blatantly obvious from the first episode what is really going on, and with whom we should align ourselves in this "love pentagon." Let me start on the very precocious Johanna Botta. I didn't like this chick from day 1 when she appeared on Real World Austin. She came in stating that she could get any guy she wanted- thinking that she would be the "pretty girl of the house." [/QUOTE]
When did Johanna ever state that she could get any man she wanted and that she was the pretty girl of the house? Really I never saw that episode.
But I do agree with you on one thing, I think Wes still loves her and he lost respect for her. I think he adored her and held her on a pedestal so he couldn 't stand seeing HIS girl (even if they were no longer together and she could do whatever she wanted) hooking up with Kenny of all people on national television like a standard challenge hook up. I think that was extremely painful for him and he probably can't look at her the same way.
I think ego has a big thing to do with it because Cohutta is totally cool with Kelly Anne hooking up with Wes because he has no ego. For Wes to witness her hooking up with Kenny on a challenge is a different thing.
But my feeling is she was single and she could do whatever she wanted. He's with Kelly Anne and he can't really get mad unless he holds women to different standards than men. Interesting that he seems angry at Kenny but just sad towards Johanna. You're so right about when they sat outside. It was so obvious there was still feeling there along with the hurt. Pretty sad. And I don't see Wes and Kelly Anne lasting at all or being as deep as Johanna and Wes's relationship was.
So far, this is the best challenge in YEARS. It definitely has a lot of elements of the older challenges. There is a great mix of new and old people. There is an underdog to root for, or if you don't like him, to root against. The last few challenges, especially the Duel 2 and the Island, have felt like "If Evan, Johnny and Kenny want it to be done, it shall be done." It's amazing to see someone standing up to them, and actually really getting underneath their skin. It's kind of awesome.
I was a little disappointed in Darrell's behavior. Honestly, why would you wanna be the fifth wheel on the Johnny/Kenny/Evan/Derrick side. I can understand playing along with them for now, but he's fighting their battles and making himself the enemy. Wes definitely went after the wrong person. I know Darrell said all that stuff to his face, but where do you think he got it from?
I kind of respect Kelly Anne for standing up for herself, though. She's not really afraid of anyone or anything. Johanna's little smirk when she was talking about making a ho into a housewife was gross. It was as if she is above it all. Um, we all saw you hook-up with Kenny on television, you are no better. At. All.
Love Tonya. Loved the Chet/Tonya friendship. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Unicorn, on the very first episode of Real World Austin, right before they episode aired, they had somewhat of an introductory/casting episode where they gave us a preview of character personalities. I was 17 years old. My memory serves me well. Melinda was on the beach rolling around about how she was an ugly duckling in hs; whilst Johanna was in a casting chair talking about her ex-boyfriend and how she was with him but he knew that she could have any man she wanted. She said something about everywhere she went there was always someone checking her out blah blah blah. But even through her words, actions speak louder. Anyone who enters real world has already type cast themselves. It is human nature. When she got a glimpse of Ms.Melinda, you can sense that she knew precisely why the producers cast her- they wanted to see how Johanna would handle Melinda, which would teach her a lesson or two. I got that point at 17. Now I don't have any issues with anyone. I think everyone is equally beautiful. But I like these shows because I simply enjoy learning about human nature.
Now as far as Wes being concerned, he obviously has an ego. But so does Johanna. And all parties involved. Why does Wes get the brunt of ego comments? Johanna stated in the episode that they were clearly "working on their issues" which is pun for "they still deal with each other," so why shouldn't he feel hurt?! If you are truly broken up with your ex, then *** is the point of working on your issues?! Rhetorical.
Johanna gave Wes the impression that they could work things out. But what she did completely expunged any chance of that, trust...if Wes has a momma, that Johanna will NOT be his wife. So, point being- if you want to be single, truly BE single- don't play games.
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I kind of respect Kelly Anne for standing up for herself, though. She's not really afraid of anyone or anything. Johanna's little smirk when she was talking about making a ho into a housewife was gross. It was as if she is above it all. Um, we all saw you hook-up with Kenny on television, you are no better. At. All.
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Yes she is. She only hooked up with TWO people in the house, not the whole household. :D
[QUOTE=Unicorn;124773]Yes she is. She only hooked up with TWO people in the house, not the whole household. :D[/QUOTE]
That we know of. And one of them was Kenny, so...
[QUOTE=GoddessLyric;124772]Unicorn, on the very first episode of Real World Austin, right before they episode aired, they had somewhat of an introductory/casting episode where they gave us a preview of character personalities. I was 17 years old. My memory serves me well. Melinda was on the beach rolling around about how she was an ugly duckling in hs; whilst Johanna was in a casting chair talking about her ex-boyfriend and how she was with him but he knew that she could have any man she wanted. She said something about everywhere she went there was always someone checking her out blah blah blah. But even through her words, actions speak louder. Anyone who enters real world has already type cast themselves. It is human nature. When she got a glimpse of Ms.Melinda, you can sense that she knew precisely why the producers cast her- they wanted to see how Johanna would handle Melinda, which would teach her a lesson or two. I got that point at 17. Now I don't have any issues with anyone. I think everyone is equally beautiful. But I like these shows because I simply enjoy learning about human nature.
Now as far as Wes being concerned, he obviously has an ego. But so does Johanna. And all parties involved. Why does Wes get the brunt of ego comments? Johanna stated in the episode that they were clearly "working on their issues" which is pun for "they still deal with each other," so why shouldn't he feel hurt?! If you are truly broken up with your ex, then *** is the point of working on your issues?! Rhetorical.
Johanna gave Wes the impression that they could work things out. But what she did completely expunged any chance of that, trust...if Wes has a momma, that Johanna will NOT be his wife. So, point being- if you want to be single, truly BE single- don't play games.[/QUOTE]
You said she stated that she was the prettiest woman in the house. How could she have said that in her casting tape when she wasn't even at the house yet? And she was just talking in her casting tape about having a spicy personality and getting out of a very serious relationship. I saw nothing of her saying she can get any guy she wants. I watched that season very closely.
I don't see how Johanna has as big an ego as Wes has. You could say that about most of those reality people (unless they are naive sweethearts like Cohutta) But the issue is that Wes alienates everyone with his ego and goes stomping around like all should bow to his wishes or he will just be a brat about it. Johanna seems like the type who would be more mature about the drama. She may still have feelings about Wes but I don't see her acting out the way Wes was. On the Island reunion she told Kelly Anne that she could do whatever she wants and that takes maturity. I don't see Wes being the same.
In fact Wes played games on Austin saying at one point how he was just trying to make Johanna jealous or make that girl Wren jealous. I think you're being a little hard on Johanna. Johanna when talking about working on issues seemed to be clearly talking about their friendship now that they have broken up. She's not talking about getting back with him (especially with Kelly Anne right in the room there) but just being civil. They may not be a couple anymore but I don't think either of them wants to completely shut themselves out of each others lives.
On Darrell calling Kelly Anne the b word - did I not see her call him that exact same word BEFORE he called her that? Granted, I found Darrell launching a rant against her when Wes seemed to be the person he had the issue with in poor taste, but Wes took offense to him calling her the b word, but she used it against Darrell. I just didn't get that.
[QUOTE=RW561015;124781]On Darrell calling Kelly Anne the b word - did I not see her call him that exact same word BEFORE he called her that? Granted, I found Darrell launching a rant against her when Wes seemed to be the person he had the issue with in poor taste, but Wes took offense to him calling her the b word, but she used it against Darrell. I just didn't get that.[/QUOTE]
The reason why is because when a guy is called a b- word it's like just calling them a wimp. So Kelly Anne was basically saying dont punk out by insulting me because you're mad at Wes.
When a woman is called the b-word by a man it takes on a whole other meaning as something vile.
Unicorn, read: actions speak louder than words. If you can't comprehend that or don't agree, then that's your opinion. But convincing me or anyone else of my "being a little hard on Johanna" won't work, because the same can be said for you as far as Wes is concerned. My point is not to expose or ridicule Johanna. I'm bored and in class and sharing my opinion lol. But I'm looking from another perspective. I'm not looking at Johanna as a bad person. In fact, I use to play a lot of games like Johanna. And I had to work on myself.
As far as "being friends," what world are you living in?! What would be the point of ex-fiance's being friends. So...that they can meet other people and those people could become uncomfortable with their friendship. So...they can accidently fall back in to each others beds. I know that calling an ex a friend is just another way of hanging on to a relationship that you're not ready to be over! Because when they are truly over eachother and friends, both parties will move out of each others lives just to preserve the memory of what they had and to respect each other! When you love someone, sometimes despite your love, the best thing is to do is to let them go! Anyone really in love or who has been in love, and who has broken up, knows how that goes...at some point it is time to say goodbye.
You mentioned civility. Being civil is not in one's nature when they are making fun of the current girlfriend. Being civil is certainly not having *** with someone on TV. I don't think civil is the correct term!
[QUOTE=Unicorn;124782]The reason why is because when a guy is called a b- word it's like just calling them a wimp. So Kelly Anne was basically saying dont punk out by insulting me because you're mad at Wes.
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I think both genders get very offended when people use that word against them.
I guess the only thing I can see is that it's a word intended to be used against women, and it would be more acceptable for a woman to use it in order to "own" it (like people in other groups use derogatory words against them to own those words and strip them of some of the negativity).
But some guys go crazy over being called that. It calls their manhood out and is a major insult to them.
I just thought it was odd that Wes seemed to take more offense to that and not all of the other stuff Darrell already said about her, especially since she called him the same word. And it's a word Wes has used against women himself (although I see why he doesn't want someone calling his girl names).
The B word is the b word. It is nasty and wrong. IDK what you are talking about from a man or woman's perspective. Perspective is relative. But Darrell was so wrong. I am so disappointed in him. He started that war with Kelly Anne and I don't like the fact that he was doing people's dirty work! Derrick has a problem with Wes since he beat him at one point and Derrick and Darrell are really close. Johnny and those lames have a problem with Wes and Darrell is playing slave boy talking for them. And did I mention the girls who all hate Kelly Anne for either sleeping with their man or being Kelly Anne! I guess that association leads to adaptation- chilling with those a holes has him acting like one himself. And what exactly separtes Kelly Anne from the other girls. Whoever made that comment. It isn't just numbers. It is also with whom, where, and why that makes you a *****.
[QUOTE=Unicorn;124778]In fact Wes played games on Austin saying at one point how he was just trying to make Johanna jealous or make that girl Wren jealous. I think you're being a little hard on Johanna. Johanna when talking about working on issues seemed to be clearly talking about their friendship now that they have broken up. She's not talking about getting back with him (especially with Kelly Anne right in the room there) but just being civil. They may not be a couple anymore but I don't think either of them wants to completely shut themselves out of each others lives.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. Everyone is being so hard on Johanna. She hooked up with two people, Kenny and Wes. The girl is young and very pretty to say the least. I understand she hurt Wes with it all being on national tv, but Wes really needs to get over himself. He has a new woman (for some time now) and he comes on this show clearly not past the situation. Hard to see, especially for KA that hasn't commented on the situation, but it's just painfull to watch.
She definitly isn't leading Wes on. She was cleary reffering to them being able to work out personal issues and them being in the same room without any tension in the air.
Wes is making Johanna feel bad for something that is clearly in the past. He is affecting the whole Champions team with his behaviour and ofcourse she feels bad about it. She didn't even know he was going to be on this challenge let alone that he would act childish and immature about the whole situation not willing to take any prisoners. This challenge isn't the place to sort out their issues, especially with KA, Kenny (and all the other contestents) being there. It's a shame, Wes is making a fool of himself (looks kinda ****** doing it) and is on a path of revenge, I don't think him and Johanna will be able to work out their issues and therefore they will never have a friendship.
Btw, which castmate would ever want to hook up with Johanna after this? Wes will hunt you down and rip your head off! Haha!
Btw2, sorry for my English, from The Netherlands ;)
[QUOTE=GoddessLyric;124783]Unicorn, read: actions speak louder than words. If you can't comprehend that or don't agree, then that's your opinion. But convincing me or anyone else of my "being a little hard on Johanna" won't work, because the same can be said for you as far as Wes is concerned. My point is not to expose or ridicule Johanna. I'm bored and in class and sharing my opinion lol. But I'm looking from another perspective. I'm not looking at Johanna as a bad person. In fact, I use to play a lot of games like Johanna. And I had to work on myself.
As far as "being friends," what world are you living in?! What would be the point of ex-fiance's being friends. So...that they can meet other people and those people could become uncomfortable with their friendship. So...they can accidently fall back in to each others beds. I know that calling an ex a friend is just another way of hanging on to a relationship that you're not ready to be over! Because when they are truly over eachother and friends, both parties will move out of each others lives just to preserve the memory of what they had and to respect each other! When you love someone, sometimes despite your love, the best thing is to do is to let them go! Anyone really in love or who has been in love, and who has broken up, knows how that goes...at some point it is time to say goodbye.
You mentioned civility. Being civil is not in one's nature when they are making fun of the current girlfriend. Being civil is certainly not having *** with someone on TV. I don't think civil is the correct term![/QUOTE]
Again you said that she stated she was the prettiest woman in house? Where did she say that? You said those were her words.
And why do you find it unbelievable that people after they have broken up may want to still be in each other's lives without being boyfriend/girlfriend again? Happens all the time. I don't think her talking about working on their issues was her saying "we can get back together" at all. I think you are reading way too much into her good luck to him. Just because you are not dating someone anymore doesn't mean you stop caring about them or wanting to be there for them.
I have not seen Johanna outwardly make fun of Kelly Anne except on the reunion when let' face it, she warranted it, Kelly Anne was embarassing herself. If you detect a slight smirk, it doesn't cut it or compare to Wes's behavior around Kenny IMO. Johanna could have said or done way worse but she strikes me as the type of person who would be really restrained about the Wes/Kelly Anne situation.
And Johanna had every right to have *** with someone on tv. She was a SINGLE woman and not dating Wes anymore. If they were still dating, that's different. But he can't expect a girl he is no longer with not to hook up with another castmember ever. She was well within her rights to do what she wanted. Wes is hooking up with someone else on tv. They are not together anymore and can do what they want.
BTW Goddesslyric, I'm enjoying your posts and hope you don't have a problem with someone having a different opinion. I comprehend what you said, I just don't agree with it all. That's all.
[QUOTE=GoddessLyric;124786]The B word is the b word. It is nasty and wrong. IDK what you are talking about from a man or woman's perspective. Perspective is relative. But Darrell was so wrong. I am so disappointed in him. He started that war with Kelly Anne and I don't like the fact that he was doing people's dirty work! Derrick has a problem with Wes since he beat him at one point and Derrick and Darrell are really close. Johnny and those lames have a problem with Wes and Darrell is playing slave boy talking for them. And did I mention the girls who all hate Kelly Anne for either sleeping with their man or being Kelly Anne! I guess that association leads to adaptation- chilling with those a holes has him acting like one himself. And what exactly separtes Kelly Anne from the other girls. Whoever made that comment. It isn't just numbers. It is also with whom, where, and why that makes you a *****.[/QUOTE]
Well, I am a woman, and I don't like the use of the word to degrade my gender. But I see how that word is bothersome for both genders by the way it is used. I did say I thought Darrell bringing Kelly Anne into his rant against Wes was in poor taste and wrong, if she didn't do anything to him or Wes wasn't insulting Darrell's GF (if he has one). I was disappointed in him. But as I said, I thought it was odd that was the main thing that was shown to be offensive, and that she'd used it as well.
Okay a few things.
I don't see how some of the people on the champions team can get mad at Wes for Trying to throw a challenge to save himself when just a few challenges ago they they were throwing challenges to get rid of the girls on the Gauntlet 3.
And They are saying that wes has a big ego but yet alot of them have some of the biggest egos around.
Darell is a coward. How is he gonna attack KellyAnne because he's mad at Wes? If he has a problem with Wes take it up with Wes and He had the chance to do it but he pussed out Coward period. And add on to the fact that he's sucking up to Evan/John/Kenny just makes me lost alot of respect for him.
I'm not Dissapointed about Chet and Diem Going home Wes and Tonya Pulling out a Win <33333333 Danny was right Wes and Tonya Winning is gonna benefit The Challengers more because Wes and Tonya are a detriment to their team.
And someone tell Johanna it's not about her.
Wes<333333333 It's good to know that there's someone there that's not afraid to stand up to them J/K/E Know that they can't compete with him one on one and they're scared of him. That's probably why Evan was mad at Wes for not calling him and telling him he was going to be on this challenge.
There are stans on this board. Okay. First things first, we will see if she is leading Wes on or not. If she says anything about being hurt that he is with another woman in her face, then she is leading him on! And that's the end of that.
Working out personal issues...WHAT PERSONAL ISSUES lol. We have all been hurt in relationships, we move on and that's it. It's like broken glass. Either you discard it or you try to somehow piece the **** together. The point being, you only take time trying to fix something that you want to preserve.
As far as Johanna being pretty, granted she is. But there are many more that far surpass her beauty. Especially now. I think that for her, her beauty was suppose to be worthy of more than what Wes gave her!!! And if I am wrong, I will admit it. But I don't think that Wes is transfixed by Johanna. If he wanted to mess Kenny up, he would have. Obviously he realized like the rest of the world that Kenny did not force Johanna to open her legs! Despite, I think that they loved each other very much. But that they broke up. But than they wanted to hold on. And Johanna did something that was unforgiveable...and now she still wants him in her life. But Wes is fighting what he truly wants! No wonder he and Kelly Anne broke up?! This is just my opinion darlings...
Also, someone said something about Wes trying to make Johanna jealous in Austin? Umm, didn't she do the same with some guy in Austin, remember???!! Whatever the case may be, they are no longer teenagers. They are **** near 30...
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