[QUOTE=ummokayyeah;284501]I completely agree. I mean we saw Johnny finger Adam's ******* in one of the challenges. This sounds exactly like something they would do. I really hope Tonya wins. More power to her.[/QUOTE]
Not sure how smearing tiger balm on your buddy's ******* while he laughs about it means you're capable of sexually assaulting an incapacitated girl. I think you'll find a lot of guys who dumb stuff like that (maybe not to that extreme) to each other who MOST LIKELY aren't rapists.
And this is not directed at you specifically, just in general, I realize a lot of people don't like them but it seems a little sadistic to hope that they get convicted for a **** charge without actually knowing whether or not the allegations are true based on the fact that they're jerks on television.
[QUOTE=InfamousJoks;284509]Is she just[I] now[/I] finding out about this? if so, how?
Or is she finally speaking up?[/QUOTE]
My guess would be that this has been in the works for a while now, and we're just hearing about.
All i know is that from the dailies, we've seen what these guys are capable of. On the Island dailies, there's a clip of Johnny ripping Paula's clothes off, i think she was naked by the end of it and no one did anything to stop it. She looked like she was just going along with it, not really wanting that to happen though.
And on the Ruins, there's a daily of Kenny and Evan trying to take Sarah and Susie's bathing suits off by the pool. Neither of the girls seemed to enjoy that very much. So, if this is true then im not surprised.
I also don't think it's logical to blame them just off their horrible personalities on television. Yes, they can horrible to women and pull a lot of immature pranks, but that doesn't make you a rapist. I'm not rooting for them to get in trouble since this is a serious offense but I hope that if this turns out to be true, that justice prevails.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;284513]All i know is that from the dailies, we've seen what these guys are capable of. On the Island dailies, there's a clip of Johnny ripping Paula's clothes off, i think she was naked by the end of it and no one did anything to stop it. She looked like she was just going along with it, not really wanting that to happen though.
And on the Ruins, there's a daily of Kenny and Evan trying to take Sarah and Susie's bathing suits off by the pool. Neither of the girls seemed to enjoy that very much. So, if this is true then im not surprised.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget, Johnny ripped Janelle's top off in the ocean when she didn't want him to on his season of Real World.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;284515]Don't forget, Johnny ripped Janelle's top off in the ocean when she didn't want him to on his season of Real World.[/QUOTE]
His season? They were on the same one.
Even if it is true nothing may be done about it because according to Cara the contract they sign says MTV or whoever is not responsible if they get killed or raped on these things, not sure if the court can override that.
[QUOTE=Blue123;284518]Even if it is true nothing may be done about it because according to Cara the contract they sign says MTV or whoever is not responsible if they get killed or raped on these things, not sure if the court can override that.[/QUOTE]
And you heard this from where again?
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;284521]And you heard this from where again?[/QUOTE]
The contract was posted on here a while back and I remember seeing something about that. If she can't sue BMP because of the contract, she can still file charges on Kenny and Evan, right?
OMG the picture they used of Tonya on TMZ is the picture I posted on VEVMO. I posted a before shot of Tonya and took a screenshot of Battle of the Sexes 1.
[QUOTE=InfamousJoks;284522]The contract was posted on here a while back and I remember seeing something about that. If she can't sue BMP because of the contract, she can still file charges on Kenny and Evan, right?[/QUOTE]
Probably...but I don't know how successful she'd be two years removed from the situation. It seems like from the articles that she's more after BMP for turning a blind eye to the acts than she is after Kenny and Evan for the acts themselves (if they occurred).
[QUOTE=Blue123;284518]Even if it is true nothing may be done about it because according to Cara the contract they sign says MTV or whoever is not responsible if they get killed or raped on these things, [B]not sure if the court can override that[/B].[/QUOTE]
In a heartbeat. Doctors get sued everyday for medical malpractice even though the surgery consent forms say you may die.
[QUOTE=InfamousJoks;284522]The contract was posted on here a while back and I remember seeing something about that. If she can't sue BMP because of the contract, she can still file charges on Kenny and Evan, right?[/QUOTE]
Maybe but don't quote me on that.
[QUOTE=InfamousJoks;284522]The contract was posted on here a while back and I remember seeing something about that. If she can't sue BMP because of the contract, she can still file charges on Kenny and Evan, right?[/QUOTE]
It took place overseas so I doubt a US court has any jurisdiction over a criminal charge. Evan is also from Canada which makes it even more confusing as to how she is going to bring him in unless it is a federal lawsuit maybe.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;284521]And you heard this from where again?[/QUOTE]
Cara Maria, I know, not the best source for information. I haven't seen the challenge contract, but I have seen a bit from other reality show contracts and I have read some weird **** on those things.
Wow this is insane....I would like to know more details though, like how she knew it was Kenny and Evan, what some of the other ladies think about this. I mean Kenny and Evan talked her up pretty good after she was DQ'd saying she was a great competitor and like family.
This could be why SEVERAL women have not done another challenge sinc The Ruins:
Diem, Kelly Anne, Kim, Casey, Brianna, Tonya, Ibis, Veronica, Susie.
Katie also stated that she hated the experience.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284512]I think if this case goes to trial, BMP will find that their iron-clad contracts are worthless.[/QUOTE]
Well Im in family law, but this is what I remember about torts from law school and the Respondent Superior part might be wrong.
BMP will not be liable for the ****. **** is battery in tort law, there is not a tort of **** and battery is an intentional tort. For intentional torts the employer will not be liable for the employees actions, only negligent actions. So, for the actual battery only Kenny and Evan would be liable assuming its true. Also for the actual battery she probably cannot prove damages so that does not matter anyways. For example, these are the reasons why someone like Adam couldnt sue BMP in the fight with CT
What she will probably sue under is intentional infliction of emotional distress for both BMP and the guys. If production really did cover it up, then she might have a case even though there is a contract. I do not think you can contract out of intentional torts; therefore, because they covered it up, it might be deemed extreme and outrageous conduct that caused extreme emotional distress for Tonya. As opposed to a negligent claim to where you can contract out. For example if someone dies on a show because of negligence and in the contract it says they cannot sue then they cant because they 'assumed the risk' but IIED is not negligent it is intentional so that clause does not apply. So, the cover up and not the **** is really what she is suing under and whether it caused extreme emotional distress.
Using medical malpractice is a horrible analogy to this because medical malpractice torts take a whole lot into account that these contracts do not. Basically, there is different policies behind medical malpractice, informed consent versus a contract for a game show. It would take a couple of days to explain the difference though because there is alot that goes into informed consent and medical malpractice law. Basically, they are completely two separate things
For the jurisdiction issue, I have no idea. Of course if she can sue it would be federal because she would be suing under something like an Alien tort Act, especially with Evan but I do not know and it is not like I will ever need to know.
[QUOTE=Mondo;284535]Well Im in family law, but this is what I remember about torts from law school and the Respondent Superior part might be wrong.
BMP will not be liable for the ****. **** is battery in tort law, there is not a tort of **** and battery is an intentional tort. For intentional torts the employer will not be liable for the employees actions, only negligent actions. So, for the actual battery only Kenny and Evan would be liable assuming its true. Also for the actual battery she probably cannot prove damages so that does not matter anyways. For example, these are the reasons why someone like Adam couldnt sue BMP in the fight with CT
What she will probably sue under is intentional infliction of emotional distress for both BMP and the guys. If production really did cover it up, then she might have a case even though there is a contract. I do not think you can contract out of intentional torts; therefore, because they covered it up, it might be deemed extreme and outrageous conduct that caused extreme emotional distress for Tonya. As opposed to a negligent claim to where you can contract out. For example if someone dies on a show because of negligence and in the contract it says they cannot sue then they cant because they 'assumed the risk' but IIED is not negligent it is intentional so that clause does not apply. So, the cover up and not the **** is really what she is suing under and whether it caused extreme emotional distress.
Using medical malpractice is a horrible analogy to this because medical malpractice torts take a whole lot into account that these contracts do not. Basically, there is different policies behind medical malpractice, informed consent versus a contract for a game show. It would take a couple of days to explain the difference though because there is alot that goes into informed consent and medical malpractice law. Basically, they are completely two separate things
For the jurisdiction issue, I have no idea. Of course if she can sue it would be federal because she would be suing under something like an Alien tort Act, especially with Evan but I do not know and it is not like I will ever need to know.[/QUOTE]
Excellent write up. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Seems like it will be a tough case for Tonya to win but for her to file suit she must have something. Only time will tell.
[QUOTE=TSPKM2;284533]Wow this is insane....I would like to know more details though, like how she knew it was Kenny and Evan, what some of the other ladies think about this. I mean Kenny and Evan talked her up pretty good after she was DQ'd saying she was a great competitor and like family.
[B]This could be why SEVERAL women have not done another challenge sinc The Ruins:
Diem, Kelly Anne, Kim, Casey, Brianna, Tonya, Ibis, Veronica, Susie.
Katie also stated that she hated the experience[/B].[/QUOTE]
I really don't think this is linked at all. Many people said that they hated the weather and eating conditions.
I am curious as to why this has taken her so long to remember. And right before they start filming another challenge?? I hate to say it but it does seem a little fishy to me.
[QUOTE=RMD1;284541]I really don't think this is linked at all. Many people said that they hated the weather and eating conditions.
I am curious as to why this has taken her so long to remember. And right before they start filming another challenge?? I hate to say it but it does seem a little fishy to me.[/QUOTE]
Like many people have stated, just because its now being talked about doesnt mean the law suit was just filed today. This could have been in the works for a long time and they are now just getting somewhere. If they were going to use this to promote the next challenge then it would have been brought up before it aired not before it filmed.
Sometimes there are consipracies and **** does happen. And you never know if they were willing to **** 1 girl then it is 100% possible it happened to any of the other girls, there are tons of girls out there today that do NOT go to the police or admit to anyone they are raped out of fear or guilt. Kenny and Evan are bigwigs on these challenges and are probably intimidating and/or threatening, I'd say Tonya is not their first victim in these challenges.
I'm personally not going to nail Kenny nor Evan to the wall because innocent until proven guilty and we haven't heard from any other cast member who was there at the time to confirm/deny it.
I just saw the link on Theo V's twitter page for the TMZ article about this, and I am astonished. I thought Evan, Kenny, and Johnny were absolutely obnoxious, unbearable, and unpleasant on that challenge, but this here is not something I expected to read. Now I don't know the truth about what happened. I want to say that I believe though they did take it too far sometimes, they wouldn't take it upon themselves to violate someone to this degree. However, if I think about it hard enough, I could see them possibly doing something like this and thinking it's just a funny prank and that they weren't really hurting her. If Evan and Kenny did this, whatever piece of possible respect or regard I had for them would be gone. And I think it's totally awful of professionals working on the show to encourage something like this if true.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;284469]Derrick is too good of friends with Tonya to do something like this.[/QUOTE]
I agree, Derrick has always seemed to have some kind of caring for Tonya.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;284476]Maybe this is what Veronica was talking about when she brought up the subject to her before getting smacked. That would indicate Johnny, Evan, and Kenny rushing to her side to defend Tonya and say Veronica was "out of line". If this is true or if she wins, The Challenge is probably over.[/QUOTE]
See, now this is what is confusing to me. I assumed what they were speaking on was something that happened in the past in her life, not on the challenge. But since the words were edited out and people were vague about it when questioned, I just can't know for sure what it was about. Regardless, that scene with them egging the girls on, trying to stop Wes from breaking it up, and then subsequently acting like the good guys who actually love Tonya and trying to make Veronica look like the only one who was rotten to her just felt artificial. Now, hearing about what possibly happened on the challenge just makes me wonder more about this situation.
[QUOTE=JL81790;284483]My question about this whole thing would be, if it does wind up being true, why are so many of the female challengers friend with them? Including people from that era. If I were a girl hearing that they potentially did what they did, true or not, would make me distance myself from them...[/QUOTE]
Some women do not care about what a guy does to another woman, as long as it is not them. Sad, but sometimes true. Some women act differently when hanging with guys than they do with girls, too. Some are possibly desperate to fit into the challenges and last long as well.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;284496]Article didn't say when she filed the suit. There could have been some attempted settlement for awhile and a statute of limitations issue to deal with where she was forced to file or lose her claim just like with car wrecks.[/QUOTE]
Maybe she could have wanted to wait until she was together in her personal life as well?
I agree that Kenny, Evan, and BMP are innocent until proven guilty, though.
Can someone breifly explain what the link was to and what happened? It's not working for me. Tonya was sexually assaulted by Kenny and Evan is what I'm getting from the posts so far but can someone elaborate?
Edit: Nevermind, I Googled it and found a link that works for me, I'm reading it now.
Double edit: the thing about all this is that she was passed out, she really doesn't know what happened unless she saw the tape of it which I'm sure she didn't.
[QUOTE=JL81790;284483]My question about this whole thing would be, if it does wind up being true, why are so many of the female challengers friend with them? Including people from that era. If I were a girl hearing that they potentially did what they did, true or not, would make me distance myself from them...[/QUOTE]
I have no idea whether Tonya's charges are true or not. That said, I have seen enough of the women on the show lower themselves in terms of integrity. A guy such as CT uses repeated physical violence on people (to the point where he should be in jail for years) and yet you have two women on the last challenge wanting him. One of those two women was making out with a guy (Wes) who has been repeatedly taped haranguing women.
Kenny, Johnny, and Evan have repeatedly demonstrated startling levels of misogyny and several of the women show an interest in them. Many of the women seem to have remarkably low self esteem and often demonstrate verbal and phyically threatening behavior to each other.
The shows should have been cleaned up long ago of two things - the physical aggression (outside the actual competitions) and the alcohol that seems to be a catalyst.
I think it's RIDICULOUS how people are saying because they dislike either of these people on the show they hope they are found guilty. Step back, take a breather, and remember this is just a (heavily) edited tv show. Just because you dislike their character on the show DOES NOT make them a rapist.
HOWEVER, personally, from what I've seen of their behavior and the pranks they pulled on The Ruins and other shows.....I do not find this hard to believe. As a viewer I honestly think they DID do this.....but that it was a joke taken (drunkenly) way too far. Does that make it okay? Absolutely not. Do I think they are "rapists" in every sense of the word....nope. But regardless, you people on here saying stuff along the lines of "He's a total ******* on the show so I believe he did this"........wake up and realize everything is not black and white, nor what you see on MTV is the "truth". lol
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