Real World Seasons on DVD

I'm not sure. Looks like the only full seasons they have at Amazon are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008NV4M?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=tubious-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00008NV4M" rel="nofollow">The Real World - Las Vegas </a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006DXXR?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=tubious-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B00006DXXR" rel="nofollow">The Real World - The Complete First Season - New York</a>

[quote=Bacchus;46758]I'm not sure. Looks like the only full seasons they have at Amazon are The Real World - Las Vegas The Real World - The Complete First Season - New York[/quote] Why havent they made DVD's for the other seasons? Not enough sales or something?

They dont even have to sell them seperately. Just put a couple seasons together in a pakage or something. But there is obviously not market out there for Old Real World Seasons or else I think they would be out.

I'm not so sure about there not being a market for them. I think there possibly could be a market for those. Plenty of people watching the shows have said they'd love to see other seasons released. They also used to have books and DVDs of extra scenes for each season. Vegas was the highest rated series overall at the point it aired, I think, so they released it then. And the first season is where it all started, so that made sense. Some of the more recent seasons have episodes up on iTunes. Had the other seasons had an outlet back then like iTunes to be released, I would guess they would have released those as well. Some of the older seasons are in syndication, but I would like to see the ones that aren't be released.

And the music's another issue. They couldn't obtain the rights for the original music for the first season's DVD, so that generic fluff was used instead. (I don't know about Vegas's DVD, and I don't care since I'm not a fan of that season.)

That's right. Forgot about the music.

They have the "real world you never saw"and it only goes up to Paris..they quit doing the books/real world you never saw",I thought on E-bay there were some..but who knows how good those are..but I thought if you have a x-box 360 and you have the thing where you can download tv shows,RW is one of them and i also think they sell them thru I-tunes..but I dont know if thats just for the reason seasons Hollywood/Brooklyn or any of past seasons!

[QUOTE=RW561015;46867]I'm not so sure about there not being a market for them. I think there possibly could be a market for those. Plenty of people watching the shows have said they'd love to see other seasons released. They also used to have books and DVDs of extra scenes for each season. Vegas was the highest rated series overall at the point it aired, I think, so they released it then. And the first season is where it all started, so that made sense. Some of the more recent seasons have episodes up on iTunes. Had the other seasons had an outlet back then like iTunes to be released, I would guess they would have released those as well. Some of the older seasons are in syndication, but I would like to see the ones that aren't be released.[/QUOTE] "Plenty of people..." Ten Thousand buyers probably would not make it a profitable DVD. Selling DVDs in this economy is not easy. Finding the up-front investment money to produce the first printing is even more daunting.

If they could just release them to digital video stores, they wouldn't have to worry about inventory. Or if they wanted to do DVDs, they could wait until the economy is better. It also would depend on how they market it and when they release it. Marketing research is key before even going ahead with the project.

[QUOTE=RW561015;46963]If they could just release them to digital video stores, they wouldn't have to worry about inventory. Or if they wanted to do DVDs, they could wait until the economy is better. It also would depend on how they market it and when they release it. Marketing research is key before even going ahead with the project.[/QUOTE] The produced DVDs remain a sunk cost and depending upon the distribution deal, unsold DVDs are going to end up on MTVs books regardless of the inventory location. We market calendars and DVDs as a routine part of our business. The profit margin is slim enough that mistakes in decisions to market a product can result in the productive having a negative affect on the bottom line. Certainly, you could market the hell out if it but then the costs of marketing are just an added costs. What MTV knows all too well is not enough people watch the show to make it a worthwhile business decision. BTW, you compute the likely market using this formula (total program viewers * % reached by advertising/marketing cost * 1% [historic number of buyers who know of the product]. Thousands of internet sites, for example, operate web stores that sell DVDs, yet market research show that few than 5 DVDs per month are sold at 95% of the sites. It's not a business model that will get any traction in any MBA program that I know of.

Plus, even if they were to release something without investing too much in anything "extra" and refraining from investing much/at all in advertising, etc., they could do okay in the short term because while there would be a small market for it, it would be a low break-even point. But in the long-term, it just would not make sense to make that investment I think I got that right, anyway. In my marketing class last semester, on a computer simulation, I experimented with introduction of a ****** product just to put it out there and get profit margins and found that its simply much smarter to focus any investments on a product that will bring you profits over a long time. So overall, there's really no good sound business reason to release RW DVDs

What's kind of odd to me (and it's part of the reason I don't see why RW or the more popular challenges aren't put in research stages at the very least, or a couple of past episodes digitally released) is that I've seen some MTV shows on DVD that have had similar popularity or perhaps a little less (or just slightly more) than RW or the RW/RR Challenges, yet they are on DVD. Looking on Amazon.com, I see Two-A-Days, 8th and Ocean, Making the Band, Tom Green Show, My Super Sweet Sixteen, Tough Enough, etc. I know these shows did have success, but so has some of the RW shows and plenty of the challenges. I don't know if these DVD sales did well or not for those shows or if any profit was made, but MTV and the producers of those shows certainly were willing to put out DVDs for those shows. Some of these shows had more than one season released. There is definitely a difference in how some MTV reality shows are marketed. Sometimes it feels like RW is kind of cast to the side a bit in terms or exposure compared to these fake/scripted reality shows. I would not want RW or the challenges to ever be fake/scripted, but I'm wondering what could be done to hype these shows even more and give them a little more exposure.

[QUOTE=RW561015;47000]What's kind of odd to me (and it's part of the reason I don't see why RW or the more popular challenges aren't put in research stages at the very least, or a couple of past episodes digitally released) is that I've seen some MTV shows on DVD that have had similar popularity or perhaps a little less (or just slightly more) than RW or the RW/RR Challenges, yet they are on DVD. Looking on Amazon.com, I see Two-A-Days, 8th and Ocean, Making the Band, Tom Green Show, My Super Sweet Sixteen, Tough Enough, etc. I know these shows did have success, but so has some of the RW shows and plenty of the challenges. I don't know if these DVD sales did well or not for those shows or if any profit was made, but MTV and the producers of those shows certainly were willing to put out DVDs for those shows. Some of these shows had more than one season released. There is definitely a difference in how some MTV reality shows are marketed. Sometimes it feels like RW is kind of cast to the side a bit in terms or exposure compared to these fake/scripted reality shows. I would not want RW or the challenges to ever be fake/scripted, but I'm wondering what could be done to hype these shows even more and give them a little more exposure.[/QUOTE] One major hurdle to many of the MTV shows is that in the past they may not have properly licensed all the music use in the shows. If there was not deal in place in the music syndication agreement to include DVD sales, then MTV doesn't own all the rights to actually produce a DVD. [This is rumor from someone inside MTV.]

[quote=V1man;47013]One major hurdle to many of the MTV shows is that in the past they may not have properly licensed all the music use in the shows. If there was not deal in place in the music syndication agreement to include DVD sales, then MTV doesn't own all the rights to actually produce a DVD. [This is rumor from someone inside MTV.][/quote]The season 1 DVD has a lot of "elevator music" throughout the episodes. I was too young to watch its initial airing in 1992 but when the DVD came out, I definitely remember people on Tubescan remarking that the background music was entirely different. I'm not sure what they did with Las Vegas though.

yeah - one of the more glaring examples was when Julie, Heather &amp; Norm were roller skating to "Finally" by CeCe ********. The muzak released on the DVDs just didn't work for the scene. Luckily I still have my VHS tapes from 1992!!

i would love it if they made DVDs for the challenges! I know on "battle of the sexes" Melissa blogged how during the end credits they were supposed to show a reel of random footage. basically seeing the cast acting normal but instead they played "spankin' new videos" =( having "extras" on the DVD would be sick too, like behind the scenes stuff.. i know that ayanna and aneesa had a HUGE fight in "battle of the sexes" but they didn't air any of it!!! instead they aired pucks departure and made up this FAKE story =( so much unseen footage, sad..

[quote=jhl182;47054] I know on "battle of the sexes" Melissa blogged how during the end credits they were supposed to show a reel of random footage. basically seeing the cast acting normal but instead they played "spankin' new videos" =([/quote]I miss the credit beds - which brought us Amaya's classic interview where she remarks she does not eat pork because she is Jewish. The interviewer asks her what she had for breakfast that morning and without missing a beat, she said a sausage McMuffin. The first generation of these shows were great.

[quote=ssseeeaaann;47056]I miss the credit beds - which brought us Amaya's classic interview where she remarks she does not eat pork because she is Jewish. The interviewer asks her what she had for breakfast that morning and without missing a beat, she said a sausage McMuffin. The first generation of these shows were great.[/quote] LOL!! was that from real world: hawaii or challenge 2000?? i remember on challenge 2000, she was forced to eat pigs foot or something but she refused to participate because it was against her religion or something. Her team was so pissed at her, and at the last minute she did the mission.

[quote=jhl182;47057] i remember on challenge 2000, she was forced to eat pigs foot or something[/quote] It wasn't even to eat them, just to pull them out of a dunk tank, lol.

[QUOTE=paskel;47051]Luckily I still have my VHS tapes from 1992!![/QUOTE] WOW!!! you should convert those to DVD's before they get damaged or something from age/wear and tear.

yes, I am going to. I probably have literally 500 VHS tapes of various stuff. I may have some other early RW seasons. I have old shows from MTV 120 Minutes w interviews &amp; in studio performances etc when it was hosted by Matt Pinfield (sp). I am also a big Meredith Vieira fan (don't laugh) and I have episodes of The View from the '90's as well as some TV appearances from Letterman, Larry King, 60 Minutes &amp; a special she did for ABC where they reunited old flames, army buddies etc. I believe it was called "Come Together". I also have some old Dr. Gene Scott, Morton Downey, Joe Franklin and other odd ball talk shows from the 80's-90's.

[QUOTE=paskel;47153]yes, I am going to. I probably have literally 500 VHS tapes of various stuff. I may have some other early RW seasons. I have old shows from MTV 120 Minutes w interviews &amp; in studio performances etc when it was hosted by Matt Pinfield (sp). I am also a big Meredith Vieira fan (don't laugh) and I have episodes of The View from the '90's as well as some TV appearances from Letterman, Larry King, 60 Minutes &amp; a special she did for ABC where they reunited old flames, army buddies etc. I believe it was called "Come Together". I also have some old Dr. Gene Scott, Morton Downey, Joe Franklin and other odd ball talk shows from the 80's-90's.[/QUOTE] Wow...you could have some serious boot-leg potential...not that I am encouraging anything of the sort, LOL.

About the music - I think I remember reading a comment that the having to obtain the music rights is a reason that they don't play major mainstream songs in the shows anymore. Instead it seems they play more obscure, or more up and coming artists. I hadn't thought about that until I read the comment.

[quote=RW561015;47326]About the music - I think I remember reading a comment that the having to obtain the music rights is a reason that they don't play major mainstream songs in the shows anymore. Instead it seems they play more obscure, or more up and coming artists. I hadn't thought about that until I read the comment.[/quote] The obscure music used on the show is definitely better than the mainstream stuff. IMO, it gives the show personality.

[QUOTE=jrmdawgs;47393]I understand the point about the music and the money behind the DVD but The Hills, Laguana Beach, Newport Beach are a perfect examples of both. The Real World has more fans and viewers than all of those shows but each has a DVD of each season.[/QUOTE] You must look at a different set of ratings than I do. It would be great is TRW had The Hills ratings. It's just not so.

[quote=jrmdawgs;47402] Since MTV never shows the marathons anymore, I think that DVD sales might due really well. I could understand not selling DVDs if they showed the marathons before a new season started.[/quote] Here is the key point that seems to be lost in this conversation: MTV already released DVDs for a couple of past seasons. If they'd done well, more would have been produced. Obviously there is not enough return on the existing DVD properties to consider bringing others to market. If there was, [B]they would do it.[/B] I am 100% sure if there was a considerable demand there, [B]they would do it.[/B] Here are the hard stats: [B] Amazon.com Sales Rank:[/B] #32,338 in Movies &amp; TV (The Real World New York) [B] Amazon.com Sales Rank:[/B] #50,480 in Movies &amp; TV (The Real World Las Vegas)

[B]BTW: [/B][B]Amazon.com Sales Rank:[/B] #4,003 in Movies &amp; TV (The Hills Season 1)

They should've combined the earlier seasons into one package and that would've caused better sales. For instance, seasons 1-4 should've been packaged together, along with RW Reunion: Inside Out (which is out on VHS, but VHS is now obsolete and I haven't used a VCR in ages). Oh, lost opportunities. :cry: