[QUOTE=CherryPie;343812]Depends. Are you American?
I grew up in Europe and ni**a isn't censored or offensive over there, because we don't have the same history as Americans. It was never used as a derogatory term. [/QUOTE]
1. Europeans are the ones who created slavery in the new world.
2. N*gga is offensive in Europe, you'd have to be stupid not to know that it has negative connotations.
3. The reason its not censored in Europe is because they don't censor anything, not because its not offensive.
For anyone who says that Jordan could have stopped the conflict, are you serious? This is Jordan we're talking about. Sure, it would have been the mature thing to just walk away, but Jordan doesn't do that.
what Jordan did and said was wrong But Nia needs to own up to her part in this situation too. all of this is really her damn fault if you think about it. had she just left Jordan alone none of this would happen so In my mind ALL of this is on her.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;343822]what Jordan did and said was wrong But Nia needs to own up to her part in this situation too. all of this is really her damn fault if you think about it. had she just left Jordan alone none of this would happen so In my mind ALL of this is on her.[/QUOTE]
I agree. In fact, I'm going to say that every conflict between them is Nia's fault. She stated from the start that she's going to break Jordan down. Nia has done nothing but attack Jordan maliciously. If you keep poking at people, situations like this will happen. Jordan is not racist. It's sad that the US had to have issues such as racism. With that, there are those stereotypes, and when Nia starts acting the way she did, some people result to fitting them into that stereotype. Regardless if Jordan meant the monkey reference racist or not, he did apologize. Nia hasn't taken any responsibility from her actions. When he apologized, she tried to act like the victim. Even on the after show she tried to act like the victim, and even Coral was shooting her down. Nia is one of those girls who gets everything she wants and does whatever she wants with no consequences. I'm glad Jordan is standing up to people like that, because they annoy the **** out of me.
[QUOTE=Sloan;343655]
Maybe so. But Nia shouldn't dish it out if she can't take it.[/QUOTE]
That's foolery.
Jordan doing the monkey gestures and mocking Nia using the n word was NOT the correct route to get back at her and it's not justifiable. It proved nothing and it never will when people do that thinking they're teaching someone a lesson. Jordan and Ana got cool points and showed redeeming qualities besides that moment.
"Hey, if they can say [insert word], why can't I?" - When will people learn that only backlashes...just let the other person be ignorant.
You see that's where Jordan made this a 50/50 thing when it could have been 100% Nia being in fault. The episode could have been Nia being called out for her bull**** instead of the A-Nia-lation Proclamation against Jordan. So kudos to her for taking his ignorance and turning the tables even though she did a poor job playing victim and speaking her case. But hey, still worked out because people STILL HATE JORDAN after last night (and hate her as well).
[QUOTE=wutzrenzi;343826]That's foolery.
Jordan doing the monkey gestures and mocking Nia using the n word was NOT the correct route to get back at her and it's not justifiable. It proved nothing and it never will when people do that thinking they're teaching someone a lesson. Jordan and Ana got cool points and showed redeeming qualities besides that moment.
"Hey, if they can say [insert word], why can't I?" - When will people learn that only backlashes...just let the other person be ignorant.
You see that's where Jordan made this a 50/50 thing when it could have been 100% Nia being in fault. The episode could have been Nia being called out for her bull**** instead of the A-Nia-lation Proclamation against Jordan. So kudos to her for taking his ignorance and turning the tables even though she did a poor job playing victim and speaking her case. But hey, still worked out because people STILL HATE JORDAN after last night (and hate her as well).[/QUOTE]
Can you define ignorant/ignorance to me?
This season kind of started off slow to me but the past couple of episodes have been really good and I think this season may bring the real world back. I honesty love Jordan. I never though I'd say that but he is just one of those people you kind of have to get to know because there is so much more to him. I can't stand Nia at all. At least Jordan admitted to him being wrong in part of the fight, Nia didn't own up to anything. What about the hand and ***** comments? Are those okay? No. She acts like she is all hard but she really isn't. I think everything Jordan said about her on the after show was dead on and even Coral was calling her out. Also Anastasia has grown on me. She was completely right about the whole fight and I respect her for letting everyone know what really went down because that is how I viewed the fight as well. Anyways Jordan is my favorite. He has faults but he owns up to them. Nia, I can't say the same. Also Jessica is soooo dramatic.
But I can't wait for the Nia/Averey Drama because Averey seems just so chill.
Both were definitely wrong, but I'm just really annoyed by Nia playing innocent victim, so I'm glad Coral wasn't easy on her. You don't play with fire and then cry when you get burned.
[QUOTE=Nostalgic;343718]Let me clarify myself, I was typing that when everything on the show was going down. i apologize if my tone of voice offended you. No, I wasn't necessarily feeling like you were targeting me but on other hand, yes I guess I was a little defensive.[/QUOTE]
Well I accept your apology. I was just confused by your defensivenes because my post was actually agreeing with yours. lol. I was basically just adding on to what you were already saying. No problem though. Miscommunication. And I really like Anastasia, I just disagreed with what she was saying.
[QUOTE=ILoveRW;343815]1. Europeans are the ones who created slavery in the new world.
2. N*gga is offensive in Europe, you'd have to be stupid not to know that it has negative connotations.
3. The reason its not censored in Europe is because they don't censor anything, not because its not offensive.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about all of Europe.
Depends on the country. They censored words in our language where I grew up but they just didn't censor english words.
The words n***er and n***a don't even really exist in my language anyway.
And yes there was slavery obviously, but no segregation like in the US, the history is different
Which is more entertaining, Nia v. Jordan, or the discussion in this forum of the use of politically correct language?
Neither of the above would be my choice in a perfect world.
[QUOTE=timster3;343786]Okay so on the facebook page all the fans hate Nia & are just trashing Nia. This annoys me because I think EVERYONE was wrong & everyone was right.
It was clearly both of their faults. Nia started it, and Jordan could've stopped it. Nia needed to leave Jordan alone, and Jordan went too far saying the N word, even if she uses it, he still doesn't need to say it.
It shocks me people like Anastasia now just because of her comment about double standards. I am black (oh shocker!!) and I never used that word in my life. I don't like it. And I agree with her on it. But the way she was defending Jordan, makes me feel like she was making up an excuse for his ignorant comment (which someone on here already stated). I know Jordan isn't racist and I actually think he has a thing for Nia, but the N word wasn't necessary [B]and just the way he talks about Nia sometimes is strange, like when he spoke to his dad on the phone and he said "I got into a fight with the black girl, Nia"..[/B]
anyways. Everyone had their faults & their points this episode. I look foward to the rest of the season, it seems as if it's Jess & Nia vs the house. And I wish Nia fought Anastasia instead of the other girl (I always forget her name) because Ana annoys the crap out of me. Okay =D[/QUOTE]
To be fair he had to let his dad know that she is black or else him explaining the monkey noises wouldn't of made sense.
I do agree with you, I just watched the Aftershow that I recorded last night. People wouldn't hate her as much if she just apologized for what she did like he did :\ it's unfortunate because TO ME, she's an interesting character on the show. Without her it'd be petty fights between Jessica & Jordan the entire time.. I guarentee.
[QUOTE=eagles28;343887]To be fair he had to let his dad know that she is black or else him explaining the monkey noises wouldn't of made sense.[/QUOTE]
You're right. My apologies on that one!
Also i'd like to say that I do enjoy this season. There are always those fans that say "What happened to the old real world with real problems... ect." but to me this season has W A Y less partying & clubbing than the last few seasons. Each person does have their internal conflict, they aren't discussed as much but I do feel like this is how the real world was meant to be. They put conflicting personalities under one house, and let them decide how they want to handle the drama and let it unfold on television.
I feel like it was the exact same thing in the earlier seasons. The only difference is that people these days are more dramatic,and conflict gets more personal due to so many reality shows spreading violence & fighting. And I believe that many people pick up on these traits and slowly start to change.
I watched this episode last night at work (it was really slow).
I think Nia basically instigated and provoked the situation to get a response. However, she did not get the response she was expecting nor did she remain in control of the situation and I think that frightened her a bit that she did not have as big a handle on things as she thought.
Props to Jordan for admitting he was wrong at least and for talking it out in front of the group. Doing so basically nullified a lot of Nia's side of things in the process which needed to happen.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;344007]I watched this episode last night at work (it was really slow).
I think Nia basically instigated and provoked the situation to get a response. However, she did not get the response she was expecting nor did she remain in control of the situation and I think that frightened her a bit that she did not have as big a handle on things as she thought.
Props to Jordan for admitting he was wrong at least and for talking it out in front of the group. Doing so basically nullified a lot of Nia's side of things in the process which needed to happen.[/QUOTE]
Considering Nia said, both in the morning after and at the beginning of the after show that she will continue messing with Jordan, she is looking more and more like the aggressor, even if you don't like Jordan.
I haven't posted here in ages, I occasionally stop by to keep myself updated with the franchise and its production but have never really bothered to log in. Glad to see some familiar faces here! In advance, forgive me for going into rant mode.
I've been keeping up with this season (or trying to, at least). When previews began to stream out, I too was part of that train that was super stoked for *the* Hurricane Nia and her apparent revolutionary presence on this somewhat dying (kinda dead already) MTV telecast that majority of us cannot help but continue to have a love for - in turn, I must say that I'm quite disappointed. Mind you, I understand fully that what we are shown every week is roughly around 40 minutes of highly edited storyline-ridden mumbo jumbo put together to attract ratings, like every other reality television show out there - but the hype around this Nia character is now a complete buzzkill, in my opinion. Looking at the previews, I thought we were going to see that trashy "oh no she didn't!" drama that is entertaining and great to watch... I more feel uncomfortable watching these episodes than anything. I feel that the entire situation that has been the center focus for these past two episodes is completely pointless. This ordeal with Nia and Jordan, I feel, is being shoved down my throat, and that the conflicts themselves are just forced and are just for the sake of having drama. On the other hand - when I watch some of the other cast members, I genuinely love watching them. Ana is a prime example. I love her complete honesty and her ability to act and think as an individual, and it really showed in this episode when she listened to Jordan's side of the story despite everyone else going off of Nia's babbling instead of actually listening to both sides and forming their own opinion on the matter. Shes been one of my favorites since episode one. Then there's Johnny - his scenes in which he fools around with Daisy and acts like a complete goofball always make me smile - he's just [B]having fun and being himself.[/B] Averey is also super cool from what I've watched, incredibly genuine. It's quite scary how I actually love watching her and Johnny's "showmance" (as they call it). I loved the scene when they semi-made up at the park. Usually I cannot stand watching reality TV couples, but I feel that they're actually [B]fun to watch[/B], and aren't whiny for the sake of being whiny! Then, we have half of the episode with Nia, the supposed star of the season - with confessionals spewing nonsense along the lines of "I'm just playing with Jordan, it's all part of my scheme!", "He's just mad because he knows he lost.", and "This is all part of my plan to **** Jordan up." Don't get me wrong, I love drama just as much as the next person - but I love drama that is actually [B]fun to watch[/B].
I don't mean to slightly go off topic here, but this is when I refer back to The Real World "dying". In a show like The Real World that offers drama as the prime source of entertainment or "wow" factor to the audience it targets (heck, its the same for every other reality TV show), its a big problem when Nia is now the only source of that "wow" factor this season, when the girl is incredibly delusional and forces the drama through said "schemes" and "plans". Why do you think people loved Las Vegas 2? The cast members were fun to watch, and the drama offered was incredibly juicy. The **** scandal with Dustin was somewhat legit, and even then - I feel every single person on that season brought something to the table and was likable in some way (except for maybe Adam... he had the role of the villain, but I loved watching his bull****tery and watching him get kicked off... again - [B]fun to watch[/B]). We went from that to the San Diego 2 disaster and Frank Sweeney (self explanatory) - and since then, it's been a complete joke.
I just feel completely let down, Nia is more of a turn off than anything to me at this point. When the after show to the episode was better than the ACTUAL episode, more because of the host - it's a problem. Overall, I feel that this season is decent so far... I genuinely adore some of the cast, hoping it gets better though, and that the Nia/Averey drama is somewhat better to watch than this nonsense with Jordan. :P
Nia and Joi "clearing" things up
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYpzRSFWw1A&feature=youtu.be&a]Hurricane Nia: Real World Portland Episode 6 & 7 Recap - YouTube[/url]
I'm getting tired of her explaining herself at every opportunity. Either be a bad ****** and stand by the things you did or just apologizes, don't come up with sh*tty excuses to semi justify your actions.
[QUOTE=V1man;344394]I'm waiting somewhat impatiently for the "my mother--the crackhead--dropped me on my head as a baby" excuse.
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Her family, especially her mother, are far from that. Very unnecessary comment dude.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;344429]Her family, especially her mother, are far from that. Very unnecessary comment dude.[/QUOTE]
He's not suggesting Nia's mother is like that but he is suggesting she might say something similar to it to provoke a response or as a defense.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;344367]Nia and Joi "clearing" things up
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYpzRSFWw1A&feature=youtu.be&a]Hurricane Nia: Real World Portland Episode 6 & 7 Recap - YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]
It sucks because I really wanted to like her but she's becoming insufferable and I've never seen someone who can literally talk about themselves for such long periods of time the way she does.
The thing with her is that I actually think this is how she acts in the real real world. People keep saying she's putting on an act but someone who is acting wouldn't care to justify themselves so much... take Frank for example. I honestly think nia is being herself and if there were more people who were like her as in "speaks up" then this season wouldn't be so bad.
I think production realized this season was gonna be booboo once the first 2 weeks kicked in, so once joi left they decided to take the chance to save it with nia. A lot of the casting team for next season is new, so many they'll fix some things because the last 3 were lacking.
I think how she is on the show is somewhat how she is in the real world but that makes it even worse. If she was acting at least when this is all over she can say she was playing a character but if this is who she really is in the real world then she's a pretty sad person.
While Frank was annoying and way over the top, much like Nia, there were still certain lines and boundaries that even he didn't cross. Like someone else mentioned on the page back, Nia's drama isn't even fun to watch, it's the kind of drama that is cringeworthy. Overall I bet BMP is wishing they would've never cast her in the first place since it kind of backfired and seemed to turn people off even more towards the season.
[QUOTE=YvanEhtNioj;344429]Her family, especially her mother, are far from that. Very unnecessary comment dude.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Desertpuma;344433]He's not suggesting Nia's mother is like that but he is suggesting she might say something similar to it to provoke a response or as a defense.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, of course I'm not suggesting any such thing, not that it would deter Mr. Reverse YMCA from an opportunity to ingratiate himself to Ms Moore at my expense. :smiley_simmons:
Its crazy how.many people I see on Youtube defending Nia's actions because she's a minority and a woman. I think everyone by now is just to used to hopping on the Jordan Hate Train, its hard to believe he couldn't be the criminal here.
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