Future Challenge Format Speculation

99 posts / 0 new

March 14, 2009 - 6:06pm

Many have brought up the arguement of, whether Battle of the Sexes 3 will be the next Challenge or will it not? Give some cases as to why or why not, if they would or should make changes, a potentially fair cast and who would make it up, etc. In my opinion, it is possible, but at the same time is equally out of the picture. I don't think there is an issue with casting, but more so a location, and the money. That is the only factor holding this Challenge back from being an automatic yes. I think if they decided on doing this Challenge, the rules would definitely need to be more like the first installment, but also have some twist. Inner Circle is the best concept imaginable, but at this point, the newer cast would dominate and take the competition and fun out of it. I agree they should have some scoreboard, and maybe the person with the least amount of points could choose anyone of their choice, except for the highest person. I think nowadays, a fair cast shouldn't be too hard, because the girls are much more physically strong than before, not to mention the guys have become more wrapped up in politics and drama which would work on their game plan. A group of girls consisting of Ev, Johanna, Beth, Rachel, Jenn, Aneesa, Kim, KellyAnne, Diem, Tori, Brianna, could definitely rival the boys. Not to mention the Brooklyn girls seem to be in incredible strength.

March 14, 2009 - 6:31pm

(Reply to #1) #2

V1man

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;53838]Many have brought up the arguement of, whether this will be the next Challenge or will it not? Give some cases as to why or why not, if they would or should make changes, a potentially fair cast and who would make it up, etc.[/QUOTE] As many know, I written on this subject in the past. This is an update with entirely new information. I received word on Friday from someone who was involved in Battle of the Sexes 1 & 2 who tells me that BMP does not own the name. It is held by another entity who after BMP titled and promoted the show required compensation for use of the name. Apparently at that time a corporate decision was made not to pay for it again. It that decision stands, as I am led to believe it will, then at least the name will have to change, as would part of the fundamental concept leading to the name. More power to you all if you can find a way out of this mess.

March 14, 2009 - 6:34pm

(Reply to #2) #3

Dartagnan

[quote=V1man;53840]As many know, I written on this subject in the past. This is an update with entirely new information. I received word on Friday from someone who was involved in Battle of the Sexes 1 & 2 who tells me that BMP does not own the name. It is held by another entity who after BMP titled and promoted the show required compensation for use of the name. Apparently at that time a corporate decision was made not to pay for it again. It that decision stands, as I am led to believe it will, then at least the name will have to change, as would part of the fundamental concept leading to the name. More power to you all if you can find a way out of this mess.[/quote] Interesting news. Thanks V1. I think it would be nice to keep the name, but I think it can just as easily be changed in order to avoid some sort of legal situation. It could be something completely stupid for all I care, the name doesn't really matter.

March 14, 2009 - 6:37pm

(Reply to #3) #4

V1man

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;53841]Interesting news. Thanks V1. I think it would be nice to keep the name, but I think it can just as easily be changed in order to avoid some sort of legal situation. It could be something completely stupid for all I care, the name doesn't really matter.[/QUOTE] Don't forget, you have to substantially change the concept, too, since the name and concept will be registered together.

March 14, 2009 - 6:40pm

(Reply to #4) #5

Dartagnan

[quote=V1man;53842]Don't forget, you have to substantially change the concept, too, since the name and concept will be registered together.[/quote] In a sense, but I don't think the name should weigh too heavily on their whole decision. I do agree they should change it, but I don't believe they should have to change the concept with it. It could be: Real World/Road Rules Challenge: Boys vs. Girls for all I care.

March 14, 2009 - 7:04pm

(Reply to #5) #6

V1man

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;53844]In a sense, but I don't think the name should weigh too heavily on their whole decision. I do agree they should change it, but I don't believe they should have to change the concept with it. It could be: Real World/Road Rules Challenge: Boys vs. Girls for all I care.[/QUOTE] What I'm telling is that legally they would have to change more than the name. Seek a second legal opinion if you wish. You have mine.

March 14, 2009 - 7:18pm

(Reply to #6) #7

Bacchus

[quote=V1man;53846]What I'm telling is that legally they would have to change more than the name. Seek a second legal opinion if you wish. You have mine.[/quote] Not to mention the circumstances you mentioned previously (on another thread) about the issues of creating a level playing field with gender segregated teams (i.e. not going to happen for this type of competition.) I personally don't think BOT3 will be next. They'll either go back to another of their successful franchises (Inferno, Gauntlet) or take a leap in a new direction.

March 14, 2009 - 7:32pm

(Reply to #7) #8

blanky667

They should make something catchy like "RW/RR Challenge: The Exile" or something with teams, because I don't like the individual challenges.

March 14, 2009 - 7:43pm

(Reply to #8) #9

V1man

[QUOTE=blanky667;53850]They should make something catchy like "RW/RR Challenge: The Exile" or something with teams, because I don't like the individual challenges.[/QUOTE] The next one will be some form of team thing -- just a hunch, no facts in evidence Based on some real-world stuff, I'll not be discussing any possible next challenge for some time.

March 14, 2009 - 9:11pm

(Reply to #9) #10

RMD1

My guess would be Inferno 4 if they don't go in a new direction. Or maybe we could be as lucky as the Island 2!!! (NOT)

March 14, 2009 - 9:14pm

(Reply to #10) #11

blanky667

[quote=RMD1;53857]My guess would be Inferno 4 if they don't go in a new direction. Or maybe we could be as lucky as the Island 2!!! (NOT)[/quote]NO. Anything BUT an Island 2.

March 14, 2009 - 9:14pm

(Reply to #11) #12

mph922

blanky, I could be mistaken, but wasn't Fresh Meat's elimination thing called the Exile? As far as a BOTS3, I'd be all for it but if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. The first one was an excellent challenge, but the second one, while the cast was great, kind of fell flat. I think in order for a third one to work, they would have to even the playing field. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few women who are regular to challenges nowadays, I don't really think they could find an "intimidating" (for lack of better word) female team. Off topic, but V1man has Beth had her baby? I'm sure she has since it's been a long time since she announced her pregnancy haha, but I am out of the loop! What did she have?

March 14, 2009 - 9:34pm

(Reply to #12) #13

V1man

[QUOTE=mph922;53859]blanky, I could be mistaken, but wasn't Fresh Meat's elimination thing called the Exile? As far as a BOTS3, I'd be all for it but if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. The first one was an excellent challenge, but the second one, while the cast was great, kind of fell flat. I think in order for a third one to work, they would have to even the playing field. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few women who are regular to challenges nowadays, I don't really think they could find an "intimidating" (for lack of better word) female team. Off topic, but V1man has Beth had her baby? I'm sure she has since it's been a long time since she announced her pregnancy haha, but I am out of the loop! What did she have?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I'm not a spokesperson for her personal life which she distinctly separates her work life. Enterprising people can probably find the answer somewhere on her facebook page. Beyond that, I was threatened with bodily harm if I talked. :)

March 14, 2009 - 9:59pm

(Reply to #13) #14

ssseeeaaann

Aside from whatever legal issues that exist with a BOTS title/format, it could also be traced down to the economy why a BOTS3 will not work right now. While it's completely feasible to create fair competitions (Survivor did male vs. female twice and the competition records were approximately equal), it will probably take a bigger creative/execution budget to do it. Right now, with everyone scaling back, I'd guess they'll just do something status quo. I do hope they can someday work out legalities and have a sufficient budget to create a legit battle of the sexes.

March 14, 2009 - 11:22pm

(Reply to #14) #15

Anonymous

V1, Didn't you say on another thread that there was going to be another challenge sooner than we expected? You also said something along the lines of "more in the coming days"..

March 14, 2009 - 11:26pm

(Reply to #15) #16

V1man

[QUOTE=tjhallow;53866]V1, Didn't you say on another thread that there was going to be another challenge sooner than we expected? You also said something along the lines of "more in the coming days"..[/QUOTE] No doubt vevmo will have more. For business reasons, I've been sidelined.

March 15, 2009 - 2:24am

(Reply to #16) #17

Dartagnan

It does seem more likely that it won't happen, but I would definitely love the idea. At least if the next Challenge is a whole new idea, then I would definitely be very happy. V1, kind of a off topic question, but since I was speculating some potential cast members, do you happen to know If Brianna is open to doing one? Or is even considered?

March 15, 2009 - 3:17am

(Reply to #17) #18

Debut Album

I don't think that they'll ever do a battle of the sexes. I would rather them do a new concept than another sequel.

March 15, 2009 - 1:15pm

(Reply to #18) #19

Anonymous

[quote=V1man;53867]No doubt vevmo will have more. For business reasons, I've been sidelined.[/quote] Looking forward to that.

March 15, 2009 - 1:22pm

(Reply to #19) #20

mattyw66

[quote=V1man;53842]Don't forget, you have to substantially change the concept, too, since the name and concept will be registered together.[/quote] Battle of the Sexes concept is known as BOTS they could easily modify one word to make the concept the exact same/similar, and even throw a 3 on the end so people would understand its the same basic concept: Battle of the Genders 3, aka BOGS 3 I know it now sounds like some sort of kid's game with milk caps being thrown at each other (which i know our POGS but still haha).

March 15, 2009 - 1:58pm

(Reply to #20) #21

Bacchus

[quote=mattyw66;53903] they could easily modify one word to make the concept the exact same/similar, and even throw a 3 on the end so people would understand its the same basic concept [/quote] I think you are missing the point. The[I] concept [/I]is copyrighted. If I built an iPod clone using the exact engineering specifics of the iPod, but changed the name to iPad - do you think Apple would have a case against me if I started to sell it, lol? It has been concluded that the Battle of the Sexes concept is owned by another entity and the price to licence it is beyond that which BMP is willing to pay. However, that aside, we are still going in circles on the core of the matter which is that BMP found it overtly challenging to make fair competitions between the sexes. Unless you want it to be "Battle of the Puzzles" there are a limited number of physical type battles which offer a level playing field...

March 15, 2009 - 2:12pm

(Reply to #21) #22

hpkhg45

Even if they do a battle of the sexes type challenge again (with legal changes made), I don't think its going to be the same challenge everyone remembers. We don't have the same cast that we used to come around for the challenges. Regardless of concept, it would still be another Paula, Robin, and Jenn versus Kenny, Evan, and Johnny. We aren't going to get back the people we loved from the original BOTS, so I don't see people are dying for this challenge back. Bringing back an old concept does not mean bringing back the old cast with it.

March 15, 2009 - 2:29pm

(Reply to #22) #23

Dartagnan

[quote=hpkhg45;53908]Even if they do a battle of the sexes type challenge again (with legal changes made), I don't think its going to be the same challenge everyone remembers. We don't have the same cast that we used to come around for the challenges. Regardless of concept, it would still be another Paula, Robin, and Jenn versus Kenny, Evan, and Johnny. We aren't going to get back the people we loved from the original BOTS, so I don't see people are dying for this challenge back. Bringing back an old concept does not mean bringing back the old cast with it.[/quote] Not necessarily. With legal situations taken care of, even despite the unprobability, the large cast leaves room for interesting enough people to make it on. We just have to face the fact that we only do have some Vets willing to go at it still such as Beth, Rachel, Aneesa, Tonya, Ruthie, Abram, MJ, Landon, Mark, and Brad.

March 15, 2009 - 2:43pm

(Reply to #23) #24

Anonymous

Well now I doubt we will see a Battle of the Sexes 3. I just feel like its the right challenge to do. Considering, the whole gauntlet 3 "lets get rid of the girls" and now the Brooklyn boys vs. girls. I felt like that was leading up to a battle of the sexes. That stinks, because I think that would be an awesome challenge.

March 15, 2009 - 2:45pm

(Reply to #24) #25

hpkhg45

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;53909]Not necessarily. With legal situations taken care of, even despite the unprobability, the large cast leaves room for interesting enough people to make it on. We just have to face the fact that we only do have some Vets willing to go at it still such as Beth, Rachel, Aneesa, Tonya, Ruthie, Abram, MJ, Landon, Mark, and Brad.[/QUOTE] That's true, but we definitely won't see anyone like Puck come back for another challenge just because its BOTS. Who knows how many of he Vets who came back for Duel II will return for the Summer challenge and how many more Vets will come out of retirement. I just think when most people think of Bots they imagine a primarily Vet cast which will not come back. Even if we are lucky enough to get some Vets back like for Duel II, we will still have our share of Paulas.

March 15, 2009 - 2:55pm

(Reply to #25) #26

Dartagnan

[quote=hpkhg45;53912]That's true, but we definitely won't see anyone like Puck come back for another challenge just because its BOTS. Who knows how many of he Vets who came back for Duel II will return for the Summer challenge and how many more Vets will come out of retirement. I just think when most people think of Bots they imagine a primarily Vet cast which will not come back. Even if we are lucky enough to get some Vets back like for Duel II, we will still have our share of Paulas.[/quote] Well of course we won't see a Puck, but we could definitely get interesting people, just based off the largeness of the cast. Are we sure it is a summer challenge? We will always have Paula....:ohwell:. So if not Battle of the Sexes 3, are we leaning more towards another addition to the Gauntlets, Infernos, or do you think we will get another new concept?

March 15, 2009 - 3:26pm

(Reply to #26) #27

LilysMom

[quote=Dartagnan;53913]Well of course we won't see a Puck, but we could definitely get interesting people, just based off the largeness of the cast. Are we sure it is a summer challenge? We will always have Paula....:ohwell:. So if not Battle of the Sexes 3, are we leaning more towards another addition to the Gauntlets, Infernos, or do you think we will get another new concept?[/quote] First off Dart it is nice to see you again :) There could be some very interesting prospects for the next challenge, I think I am going to take some time and make a list. I do not know why, but I cannot shake this feeling, that the next challenge will be something more like The Island 2.

March 15, 2009 - 3:29pm

(Reply to #27) #28

Dartagnan

[quote=LilysMom;53916]First off Dart it is nice to see you again :) There could be some very interesting prospects for the next challenge, I think I am going to take some time and make a list. I do not know why, but I cannot shake this feeling, that the next challenge will be something more like The Island 2.[/quote] Nice to see you guys again too. :) I have made a list of potential possibilities and a list of people that could possibly do the next Challenge, which I will post later. The Island 2, it seems with the way they have been lately, there hasn't been too much consideration going into these Challenges, my main example being The Island. If it were the Island 2, I think they would need to majorly revamp the whole idea, because it didn't work.

March 15, 2009 - 4:13pm

(Reply to #28) #29

LilysMom

[quote=Dartagnan;53917]Nice to see you guys again too. :) I have made a list of potential possibilities and a list of people that could possibly do the next Challenge, which I will post later. The Island 2, it seems with the way they have been lately, there hasn't been too much consideration going into these Challenges, my main example being The Island. If it were the Island 2, I think they would need to majorly revamp the whole idea, because it didn't work.[/quote] We will have to make a new thread for the lists, PM me and we can get it going.:) I agree with your statement about The Island needing to be "revamped" so to speak. I wonder how many people from the cast, or potential cast members would be open to this concept again? After watching The Island, and seeing how some dealt with issue's of protein and and lack there of, I do not know how many would be up for another challenge like this.

March 15, 2009 - 4:43pm

(Reply to #29) #30

hpkhg45

[QUOTE=LilysMom;53919]We will have to make a new thread for the lists, PM me and we can get it going.:) I agree with your statement about The Island needing to be "revamped" so to speak. I wonder how many people from the cast, or potential cast members would be open to this concept again? After watching The Island, and seeing how some dealt with issue's of protein and and lack there of, I do not know how many would be up for another challenge like this.[/QUOTE] Your right. Abram was the only person who enjoyed themselves and I doubt they will let him back after being kicked off for fighting twice and quitting once.

March 15, 2009 - 7:43pm

(Reply to #30) #31

ColiesMom

[quote]I agree with your statement about The Island needing to be "revamped" so to speak. I wonder how many people from the cast, or potential cast members would be open to this concept again? After watching The Island, and seeing how some dealt with issue's of protein and and lack there of, I do not know how many would be up for another challenge like this.[/quote] The only Island you will get any of them on would be in China.

You are here

Future Challenge Format Speculation

Pages