[QUOTE=rwny4ever;60365]You cannot judge someone based soley on their season - if their behavior is consistent on subsequent shows then yes your judgment of their character is valid.
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I disagree with the above statement. I worked in film and TV too long to ever assess anyone's character based upon the work of film and video editors, producers and writers. Almost without exception, I find that the heavily displayed character trails sometimes seen on reality TV are shown completely out of balance with whom I've discovered or known the real person to be.
[quote=rwny4ever;60367]yes children I am aware of that - I have been watching from season 1 not just Key West or any of the other wannabe seasons. What I meant is that the ego thing is not really a FM thing - more of an Evan, Kenny and Johnny thing - thats just how their personalities are.[/quote]
[B]I am not a child and most of us aren't children here.[/B]
I thought this was a good episode. Though I deffinetly wasn't expecting to see all of the scheming this soon.
It really was no surprise to me that Aneesa beat Shavoun. Shavoun seemed more concerned with Aneesa's shirt than the hook it was kind of funny to see TJ yelling at her. MJ calling her "the **** girl" and then no one hugging her when she asked were hilarious.
The challenge did seem a little ridiculous where they had all of these circles with high ammouts of points but no one got past 10. I love the Landon and Brittini thing, and I think it's nice that Landon is looking past the fact that Brittini is a rookie.
It felt like Evan's voice was the one I heard the most this episode (and I don't really think that's going to change). I've always kind of liked Evan but I don't know if I'm going to be able to take this power trip of his (as Landon said).
I think that Paula has dug her own grave and I don't think we'll be seeing her around for much longer. She told Ryan that she was going to do everything that she could to keep him there, but she voted for Dunbar when she agreed to pick MJ. Which messed up the order that was apparently working for pretty much everyone. It looks like she lost the trust of the people she was aligned with (mainly Evan). I'm all for Paula voting for who she wants to vote for and not just what will make everyone happy, but she shouldn't have agreed to pick MJ and helped to create this list if she wasn't going to follow through with it.
I don't think that Ryan could have avoided going into the duel much anyway, considering he is the smallest guy and everyone else probably thought he was the easiest target.
In the end I thought this was a good episode, and it looks like things are really starting to heat up.
[quote=Darock1713;60363]The duels. I was very impressed by Kim's effort and attitude from the edit. She showed no qualms about going in, and she pushed herself in there and came out with renewed confidence. I have had low opinions about Kim based on the past (edits or whatever), but I must say she has shown the best attitude of all the competitors thus far. She was dead on, "someone's going to be last and just be prepared to go in and win, don't cry about it." [B]I glad MJ took out Ryan, because Ryan took advantage of a situation last week that wound up costing him more than helping him.[/B] [/quote]
I don't see how Ryan choosing Nick cost him anything. It bought him one more episode than he probably would've had. Think about the mechanics of the Elevator duel for a minute. Ryan was pulling Nick's weight, Nick was pulling Ryan's weight with a broken hand, and it was still a tight race. Who could Ryan beat in this duel? Choosing Nick wasn't noble, but it was smart.
Man, I just realized that I have been watching challenges for over NINE years, ever since I stumbled upon Challenge 2000 when I was flipping channels (Amaya and Veronica were wrestling midgets, lol). Dang. I have no idea why I waited so long to join a forum and talk about this serious tv crack addiction that I have.
Anyhow, a question (I must have missed a little chunk of the show last night): If Paula had picked MJ like Evan,etc wanted her to, who was supposed to be the last guy standing? Who did they want in the duel? I know that they were expecting Robin to be the girl (I think we heard Paula say that), but I don't recall the guy. Was it supposed to be Ryan? Dunbar? Is that why Paula went "AWOL"? *snort* Or was she just trying to be loyal to the two of them? That doesn't make sense though, because they knew if she picked Dunbar, MJ was going to be left last and Ryan said he knew MJ would choose him. Why would Paula want MJ to be last guy if A) the Evan alliance, which she was part of, wanted to protect MJ and choosing someone else would **** them off and B) she knew MJ would pick Ryan? All picking Dunbar did was get Ryan sent home and Paula excommunicated from a strong alliance. Makes no sense to me.
[QUOTE=crimson;60396]Man, I just realized that I have been watching challenges for over NINE years, ever since I stumbled upon Challenge 2000 when I was flipping channels (Amaya and Veronica were wrestling midgets, lol). Dang. I have no idea why I waited so long to join a forum and talk about this serious tv crack addiction that I have.
Anyhow, a question (I must have missed a little chunk of the show last night): If Paula had picked MJ like Evan,etc wanted her to, who was supposed to be the last guy standing? Who did they want in the duel? I know that they were expecting Robin to be the girl (I think we heard Paula say that), but I don't recall the guy. Was it supposed to be Ryan? Dunbar? Is that why Paula went "AWOL"? *snort* Or was she just trying to be loyal to the two of them? That doesn't make sense though, because they knew if she picked Dunbar, MJ was going to be left last and Ryan said he knew MJ would choose him. Why would Paula want MJ to be last guy if A) the Evan alliance, which she was part of, wanted to protect MJ and choosing someone else would **** them off and B) she knew MJ would pick Ryan? All picking Dunbar did was get Ryan sent home and Paula excommunicated from a strong alliance. Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they ever specifically said who would have ended up last man standing, which made it all the more confusing. hah. I would assume Isaac would have been pretty far down there still but I cannot say for sure obviously.
Welcome to the board, btw! :)
[quote=mph922;60402]I don't think they ever specifically said who would have ended up last man standing, which made it all the more confusing. hah. I would assume Isaac would have been pretty far down there still but I cannot say for sure obviously.[/quote]
They didn't reveal last man standing or the original order in its entirety, but there are two big strands. Here's what I remember (and yes, sadly, this is from memory):
Strand 1 = Rachel/Mark - Aneesa - Landon - Brittini - Brad - Tori - Evan - Paula - MJ
Strand 2 = Katie - Isaac - Ruthie - Ryan - Diem - Dunbar
I don't know what happens between MJ and Katie, but I would assume MJ was going to pick Robin. The original plan wasn't for her to be left there, Paula just understood that would happen if her vote changed. Derek was part of one of the conversations, so he falls in there, too. That leaves:
Jenn, Brooke, Kim
Eric, Nehamiah, Davis
That help?
[quote=crimson;60396]
Anyhow, a question (I must have missed a little chunk of the show last night): If Paula had picked MJ like Evan,etc wanted her to, who was supposed to be the last guy standing? Who did they want in the duel?[/quote]
I don't know if they ever answered that question, but they just wanted their alliance taken care of. What I got from it was this:
The beginning would stay as is...
Aneesa
Landon
Brittni
Brad
Tori
Evan
Paula
Then:
MJ
Katie
Isaac
Ruthie
Dunbar
And then the rest would go as it did before...
Diem
Ryan
Jenn
Nehemiah
Brooke
Davis
Kim
Derek
That leaves Eric and Robin.
[quote=mph922;60402]I don't think they ever specifically said who would have ended up last man standing, which made it all the more confusing. hah. I would assume Isaac would have been pretty far down there still but I cannot say for sure obviously.
Welcome to the board, btw! :)[/quote]
Thanks!
Maybe they didn't care who was the last guy as long as it wasn't one of them. I know Issac was the last guy picked and Big Easy and Davis (? I think) before that.
Do next week's highlights mean that Davis, Nehemiah or both of them are headed into the Duel next week?
I'm not liking the two duels after each mission set-up, because that means there are less missions overall this time around (unless something changes as we go along). I enjoy watching the missions. I'd much rather see them than a lot of commercials and discussions about who is getting picked in what order. Plus, it seems like the players get robbed of having fun.
I lost a lot of respect for MJ when he picked Ryan to go into the duel. He took the cowardly way out, if he really wanted to stick it to Paula and her alliance he should have picked Evan.
[quote=molds13;60407]I don't know if they ever answered that question, but they just wanted their alliance taken care of. What I got from it was this:
The beginning would stay as is...
Aneesa
Landon
Brittni
Brad
Tori
Evan
Paula
Then:
MJ
Katie
Isaac
Ruthie
Dunbar
And then the rest would go as it did before...
Diem
Ryan
Jenn
Nehemiah
Brooke
Davis
Kim
Derek
That leaves Eric and Robin.[/quote]
Hmmm. Katie's vote changed, too. She ended up picking Eric instead of Issac (who was still a choice). I wonder if she'd have done that if Paula had picked MJ. If she did, and Eric still picked Ruthie, all of the rest of the votes would have been the same, leaving Issac left. Who probably would have picked Ryan, too. lol.
[quote=crimson;60416]Hmmm. Katie's vote changed, too. She ended up picking Eric instead of Issac (who was still a choice). I wonder if she'd have done that if Paula had picked MJ. If she did, and Eric still picked Ruthie, all of the rest of the votes would have been the same, leaving Issac left. Who probably would have picked Ryan, too. lol.[/quote]
I think Katie voting for Isaac was under the understanding that the votes were going the way that they were supposed to go. Once Paula voted for Dunbar, I think all bets went out the window.
Either way, I do agree with you that if Katie had changed her vote anyway, Isaac would most likely have been left at the bottom and would have most likely picked Ryan.
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;60335]Paula=FAIL.
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LOL! That pretty much sums it up for me. Besides her lack of blending, her voice and the fact that she always looks like she has a cold (bright red nose, bags under her eyes) bothers me. But then again, these are trivial girl-hate things. I really haven't liked her since Key West when she just came off so whiny and insecure. I don't think much has changed.
And ditto to the comments about Nick's tongue. That and Davis cracking up at the very beginning are the only good parts. I love how Davis is smiling and then he quickly switches to his "serious" face. Maybe he realized the camera was on him?
[quote=crimson;60416]Hmmm. Katie's vote changed, too. She ended up picking Eric instead of Issac (who was still a choice). I wonder if she'd have done that if Paula had picked MJ. If she did, and Eric still picked Ruthie, all of the rest of the votes would have been the same, leaving Issac left. Who probably would have picked Ryan, too. lol.[/quote]
I think Katie's vote changed to Eric because Eric was already supposed to be picked up. My guess at a list is...
Rachel/Mark
Aneesa
Landon
Brittni
Brad
Tori
Evan
Paula
MJ
Robin
Eric
Katie
Isaac
Ruthie
Ryan
Diem
Dunbar
Kim
Derek
Jenn, Brooke, Nehamiah, Davis would be the last four. They were all in the room with Paula when she was restructuring the vote, so I think 2 of those 4 were meant to be the last standing. Because Paula changed her vote, Ryan picked up Jenn and triggered that alliance.
[quote=Cru Jones;60428]Jenn, Brooke, Nehamiah, Davis would be the last four. They were all in the room with Paula when she was restructuring the vote, so I think 2 of those 4 were meant to be the last standing. Because Paula changed her vote, Ryan picked up Jenn and triggered that alliance.[/quote]
If it were to go that way, Derek would pick Jenn before Brooke and Jenn would unfortunately pick Nehemiah before Davis. That leaves you with Brooke and Davis.
[quote=molds13;60431]If it were to go that way, Derek would pick Jenn before Brooke and Jenn would unfortunately pick Nehemiah before Davis. That leaves you with Brooke and Davis.[/quote]
And Davis might not have picked Ryan for the duel... that's actually pretty funny.
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;60439]You guys are giving me a headache! :p[/quote]
My golly Miss Molly, we could speculate until the cows come home on what could have happened;) Maybe if we try really hard we can figure out next weeks order before it even airs:pleasantry:
I don't like Paula, but she did the right thing. She told Ryan that she will make sure that he is not LAST. Not that he won't go into the duel. MJ picked him for the duel, it wasn't Paula's fault. Besides Paula made an agreement with Ryan before everything, Although it wasn't smart of her to make a deal with the other alliance because now all of them want her gone. I was happy to see Kimberly shine in the Duel and she took out Robin which is another plus. P.S. I'm happy Brooke has made it through episode 2!
[QUOTE=LilysMom;60441]My golly Miss Molly, we could speculate until the cows come home on what could have happened;) Maybe if we try really hard we can figure out next weeks order before it even airs:pleasantry:[/QUOTE]
And people were pissed because I wouldn't explain this months ago in the spoiler thread. I've talked to five Duel II cast members today and none of their views/recollections matched each other.
22 pages behind already lol Basically Shauvon going home seemed like a "glad you're gone moment" for most of the cast. And....will Robin ever win? It seems like it is destined to not happen but you know she had to feel confident against Kim and it just backfired this time. Now with Ryan...I just kind of hoped he beat MJ...mostly because...well I just thought it'd be a nice moment to see the underdog win.
[quote=GoldenWarrior;60484]22 pages behind already lol Basically Shauvon going home seemed like a "glad you're gone moment" for most of the cast. And....will Robin ever win? It seems like it is destined to not happen but you know she had to feel confident against Kim and it just backfired this time. Now with Ryan...I just kind of hoped he beat MJ...mostly because...well I just thought it'd be a nice moment to see the underdog win.[/quote]
Unfortunately, that was probably the best game MJ could have picked. As an ex-football player, he's gotta be used to being tackled and how to avoid it. It's not being tackled per se, but he still has a major advantage in terms of strategy (not that he necessarily used it...it looked like he was trying to run at Ryan as fast as possible and using his weight instead of staying low).
[quote=blanky667;60449]I don't like Paula, but she did the right thing. She told Ryan that she will make sure that he is not LAST. Not that he won't go into the duel. MJ picked him for the duel, it wasn't Paula's fault. [/quote]
I think that's a valid point. Whether he was chosen last or not, I think that the probability of Ryan going into the Duel was very high.
Other things:
Shauvon actually got some "pity hugs" by two of the girls eventually (could not make out which ones, except one had a white coat on)
With Robin and her so called craziness, it seems like winning a challenge is quite a big thing to her and her always coming up short in them is likely a reason why she gives off this lunatic vibe that every one seems to notice. Her farewell speech looks like it indicates that. Maybe that's building off some other issues she has and just magnifies it.
MJ did kind of come off like a punk, especially after the Duel. It's funny how he was making it out that dominating Ryan was such a huge deal. He said himself that Ryan was the weakest. I think if he really wanted to impress on the others his so called status as one of the "strongest players", he could have picked someone a little tougher perhaps (Nehemiah, Davis). But he might have been afraid that it would be a repeat of his loss to Frank in G3 (whom it seemed he underestimated as well).
MJ was not making a big deal out of beating Ryan. He even said himself that "yeah it was a win against Ryan, but... blah blah blah".
I'm pretty sure Issac would have been the last guy to be called. He most likely would've called Ryan - everyone else would, except maybe Davis. It's so easy to tell who would be last, that's quite annoying.
Yeah, I agree that Ryan would have most likely gotten picked by most of the guys had they been the last one standing. So I do think Ryan being upset at Paula, if he really was, was kind of a moot point. Really it didn't seem like he was too upset with her like Evan was. But as I mentioned before, Evan did the same thing the episode before - he changed up the order. And people were demanding an explanation and getting on his back for it. Now he is the one who appears to be leading the charge that Paula "is done" within that alliance.
I don't really feel MJ was punking out by picking Ryan. I think he still wasn't secure in this game and he was trying to latch on to the big alliance. Well, even though Paula is best friends with Ryan, I don't necessarily think Ryan would have been as secure in that alliance after a while. Plus he would be seen as more of a chance to win against, so I think MJ was trying to keep himself in the game still early on. Also, though MJ is a tall, strong, muscular guy, I haven't really seen him compete at the level that Landon, Mark, and Evan have. I do think he could have a chance against them in duels, but it is easier to pick someone like Ryan at this point.
I admit it, I giggled when no one wanted to hug Shauvon. She's such a muppet.
I don't know if Paula did the worst thing in the world, regardless of whether Ryan was left the last man standing or not he was probably going to get called in every time until he went home anyways and there was nothing she could do about that (that's actually what I love about this challenge format, alliances and winning popularity contests will only take you so far). I just am generally annoyed by both her and Dunbar so her lack of loyalty just made me like her even less (especially after her woe is me island victim crap) and it showed that she's not particularly smart. Dunbar wasn't remotely in danger of being the last man out and it was highly unlikely that anyone would take the chance of calling him into the Duel this early on, so she should've been more concerned about preserving her friendship/alliance rather than her booty call. You'd think the girl would've learned after the island that prostituting her soul to the "stronger" guys is going to fail her in the end. Say what you want about Robin's neurotic behavior on the Island, at least she wasn't kissing the guys ***** or just laying around counting on someone giving her a key, looking like an idiot when the winning boat pulled off.
I don't blame MJ for calling Ryan into the Duel, just because T*ts Mcgee was strategically challenged didn't mean MJ should've followed suit. This early on I would've picked the weakest player too, when you get far enough into the game that it becomes necessary to remove the biggest roadblocks to the money, that's when I would [I]perhaps[/I] start calling out the bigger threats.
I didn't see RW Hollywood, so the only thing I know about Kim is what I saw on the Soup, but so far I'm actually liking her way more than I thought I would.
[quote=Famous.;60500]MJ was not making a big deal out of beating Ryan. He even said himself that "yeah it was a win against Ryan, but... blah blah blah".
I'm pretty sure Issac would have been the last guy to be called. He most likely would've called Ryan - everyone else would, except maybe Davis. It's so easy to tell who would be last, that's quite annoying.[/quote]
I think Ruthie and Isaac have some sort of alliance s if Ruthie was in that chain of events, I doubt Isaac would have been last.In fact wasn't Isaac in the room with Evan when they were trying to figure out the order? And he was in the chain of events. Didn't Evan ask him who does he think will be last?
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