The challenge USED to be a yearly event when our favorite ex-Real World and ex-Road Rules cast members competed against EACH OTHER (as All-Star representatives of their respected shows) for prizes.
NOW the challenge is only after every seasons of only the Real World featuring the same "veteran" castmembers and a few new faces here and there causing the same drama and back stabbing but in a different country every season.
My how times have changed.
[QUOTE=Entropy;144915]Adam was just on this last challenge..so I dont see why they wouldnt bring him back. As for CT, if BMP really wants him back they should put a clause in his contract that if does anything violent he has to pay $25,000 (made up number) as a penalty.[/QUOTE]
Not such a bad idea with regards to CT or even Abram.
I remember all that actually. Then again, I watched everything they did in the earlier days. I've seen every RW, RR, and their Challenges once but some I have yet to rewatch. Always did like London's cast.
Ah the days of people doing Challenges in a positive way. Go back and look at the BOTSeasons1 for the classic Sidekick Showdown to see Coral and the Miz win while bickering like an old couple! Or watch the BOTSexes1 to see Veronica get pwned by Emily thus setting up her style from that point forward while seeing how strong Ruthie was.
I would like to see another Battle of the Sexes with a smaller cast in the hour format with elimination rounds. Do it like the orginal Battle of the Sexes and have the inner circle with a point system but both the guy inner circle picks one of their guys and the girls inner circle sends in one of the guys & vice versa. But I think I read that BOTSexes is copyrighted or something so BMP isn't willing to pay for it.
They can still use the Battle format and have it be an effective thing. If you watch those Battles, people were more likely to bust their *** to get into that Inner Circle and they could see their progress unlike many of the other Challenges.
The challenges for both the Battle of the Sexes/Seasons have by far been the best in my opinion cause they are fair unlike the ones now where they don't even out the numbers so its obvious who is going to win and makes the show rather boring.
As I said in the create your own challenge thread a good idea for the 20th installment is to make it a best of the best/flash back style. Take the best challenges of old and re use them now, as for elimination you have two wheels one that chooses the style of elimination (Gaunlet,Inferno,Ruins,Duel) then when you have your nominess, you spin another wheel based on that elimination chosen (a wheel on gaunlet style eliminations,infero style etc...). It would be a celebration so to speak of the past 20 challenges, plus every day they wouldnt know how the elimination will be.
I also think all the elimination rounds should be physical like the ones where they hold on to the rope and whoever lets go loses. Or like the one with Shauvon & Aneesa on the Duel II. Or like the one on the Guantlet II where they had to wrestle in the arena. Wow I never realized how horrible these challenges have become to I'll started posting here. BMP needs to change things drastically or the challenges will have the same fate as Road Rules.
i think it's also the time. it's just the direction of the show. there's nothing we can do about, or even bmp can do about it. challenges changed because road rules got canceled. i agree that the same people shouldn't keep coming back. i think bmp knows that they messed up with road rules and that's the only way challenges will be restored. the older challenges were better because they were more in depth and entertaining. bmp is running out of ideas
[QUOTE=Entropy;144969]I think Beach Brawl was the best elimination, but visiually the glass cage one from I3 was pretty ******* cool.[/QUOTE]
I liked the glass cage too, but it was dangerous. I think pole wrestle was one of the best eliminations.
I liked the one were MJ was agianst Frank I think it was ankle breaker. I also liked the other one which Nememiah and Alex Smith did. Challenges that test your will agianst another are awesome.
[QUOTE=nibitz;145056]Yeah Derrick vs Wes in the pole wrestle is one of my favs[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was ******. Derrick could hardly move and Wes was bleeding all over and crying afterwards. It was a good matchup even though Wes was bigger because Derrick could wrestle so well. It went like I thought it would though. Derrick out wrestling Wes and Wes being strong enough to take the pole away from Derrick. It was probably the best elimination ever on these challenges.
Here's my take on Fresh Meat, yeah I dont like seeing them on challenge after challenge but in a way if they hadn't been included we probably wouldn't be getting challenges, **** or not, so Im glad to at least be getting challenges.
[QUOTE=orkatork;145016]i think it's also the time. it's just the direction of the show. there's nothing we can do about, or [B]even bmp can do about it[/B]. challenges changed because road rules got canceled. i agree that the same people shouldn't keep coming back. i think bmp knows that they messed up with road rules and that's the only way challenges will be restored. the older challenges were better because they were more in depth and entertaining. bmp is running out of ideas[/QUOTE]
Oh please there's still a bunch of stuff BMP can do with the challenges. They're just getting lazy. Even with Road Rules gone the challenges can still be decent television. They just need to diversify their casts and come up with a format that doesn't favor anyone or anything.
[QUOTE=Entropy;145331]Here's my take on Fresh Meat, yeah I dont like seeing them on challenge after challenge but in a way if they hadn't been included we probably wouldn't be getting challenges, **** or not, so Im glad to at least be getting challenges.[/QUOTE]
I disagree I think that BMP could've still went on with the challenges if Fresh Meat never happend. All they needed to do was make smaller casts since the pool of people wanting to do challenges has gotten smaller.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;145362]I disagree I think that BMP could've still went on with the challenges if Fresh Meat never happend. All they needed to do was make smaller casts since the pool of people wanting to do challenges has gotten smaller.[/QUOTE]
If you can't look at it objectively (you and Aquatta seem to have a personal hate on the FMers that is borderline obsessive) then your always going to disagree. With Road Rules gone, older schoolers retiring, some just not even wanting to ever do a challenge, and with FM coming out at the height of challenges but end of Road Rules they needed something to keep that momentum going. Imagine if you will watching Gaunlet 2 with that big cast (also used to challenges from BOTSea on having big casts), and then seeing Duel 1 (next challenge after FM) with a small cast. You would've been like ***? PLus I can imagine MTV had an episode count they needed to have, so they needed a certain number of people to get eliminated. As I stated before I dont like the FM, but they are a nesecsary evil to keep the challenges alive. BMP just needs to alternate between FMers.
The only problem I had with the first season of fresh meat is they didn't incorporate all of the fresh meat on later challenges. With them only getting one challenge it was somewhat unfair to judge them on in some cases more than a little more than a few weeks of footage as was with Johnnie, Jessie, Chanda, and Linette as well as come to the conclusion that Ryan and Casey and Eric would be great for challenges.
I hope for the next season of fresh meat they let all fresh meat have the opportunity to compete on other challenges.
[QUOTE=Entropy;145386]If you can't look at it objectively (you and Aquatta seem to have a personal hate on the FMers that is borderline obsessive) then your always going to disagree. With Road Rules gone, older schoolers retiring, some just not even wanting to ever do a challenge, and with FM coming out at the height of challenges but end of Road Rules they needed something to keep that momentum going. Imagine if you will watching Gaunlet 2 with that big cast (also used to challenges from BOTSea on having big casts), and then seeing Duel 1 (next challenge after FM) with a small cast. You would've been like ***? PLus I can imagine MTV had an episode count they needed to have, so they needed a certain number of people to get eliminated. As I stated before I dont like the FM, but they are a nesecsary evil to keep the challenges alive. BMP just needs to alternate between FMers.[/QUOTE]
I disagree I think before Fresh Meat and even more so now BMP & MTV's options are plentiful for an entertaining challenge. The orginial Battle of the Sexes had 36 castmembers from almost half the amount of seasons as now. The reason I watch the challenges is to watch my old favorites come back and compete not a bunch of new kids I'll stick to Survivor for that. However, I did like Fresh Meat as a challenge and thought it had good missions. How they decided Ryan should be invited back time and time after not adding anything and not someone like Aviv who is strong & prettty baffles me but so does everyother decision made on the production of these shows.
[QUOTE=Entropy;145386]If you can't look at it objectively (you and Aquatta seem to have a personal hate on the FMers that is borderline obsessive) then your always going to disagree. With Road Rules gone, older schoolers retiring, some just not even wanting to ever do a challenge, and with FM coming out at the height of challenges but end of Road Rules they needed something to keep that momentum going. Imagine if you will watching Gaunlet 2 with that big cast (also used to challenges from BOTSea on having big casts), and then seeing Duel 1 (next challenge after FM) with a small cast. You would've been like ***? PLus I can imagine MTV had an episode count they needed to have, so they needed a certain number of people to get eliminated. [B]As I stated before I dont like the FM, but they are a nesecsary evil to keep the challenges alive[/B]. BMP just needs to alternate between FMers.[/QUOTE]
No they are not and never will be an necessary evil. BMP could've done just fine without the Fresh Meat. I don't really care about big or small casts but so Going from Gauntlet 2 to the Duel really wouldn't have bothered me at all. All that matters to me is seeing some of my favortie RW/RR alumni from the past and present interacting with each other. They never needed Fresh Meat at all. There have been some older castmembers who have showed intrest in doing challenges but were never asked. Why couldn't BMP call any of them up if they're so low on castmembers? I just think they are getting lazy and the fact that they just got a bunch people who have no relevance to this Franchise shows that IMO.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;145423]No they are not and never will be an necessary evil. BMP could've done just fine without the Fresh Meat. I don't really care about big or small casts but so Going from Gauntlet 2 to the Duel really wouldn't have bothered me at all. All that matters to me is seeing some of my favortie RW/RR alumni from the past and present interacting with each other. They never needed Fresh Meat at all. There have been some older castmembers who have showed intrest in doing challenges but were never asked. Why couldn't BMP call any of them up if they're so low on castmembers? I just think they are getting lazy and the fact that they just got a bunch people who have no relevance to this Franchise shows that IMO.[/QUOTE]
Whats the point of debating when you never see both sides? Time to move on...
I don't mind having the Freshmeat on challenges that much. I mean it's called a RW/RR challenge, so one would think that you'd have to be on real world or road rules to be on the challenges. However, my main problem is having the freshmeat on who are annoying. Having Evan on 19 times is just ridiculous. Have someone like Chanda or Aviv come on. Just because they won't cause drama doesn't mean they wouldn't be good cast members. I think BMP should cast people who the viewers can actually look at it be like "wow, i like him as a person" which I CANNOT do for practically any of the cast members today. Nowadays, the cast members are all be being cast for who can make the most drama. And be serious now, there's gonna be drama either way. That's why battle of the seasons and sexes were so much better (well amongst other reasons, cough cough, they didn't have TJ cough cough). With people like Yes, Veronica, Dan, it was just like wow these are people I'd want to hang out with if I could have the chance, instead of people like Evan or Johnny, who it's now like, Wow, I'd want to punch them in the face! if I had the chance.
[QUOTE=rsox813;145919]I don't mind having the Freshmeat on challenges that much. I mean it's called a RW/RR challenge, so one would think that you'd have to be on real world or road rules to be on the challenges. However, my main problem is having the freshmeat on who are annoying. Having Evan on 19 times is just ridiculous. Have someone like Chanda or Aviv come on. Just because they won't cause drama doesn't mean they wouldn't be good cast members. I think BMP should cast people who the viewers can actually look at it be like "wow, i like him as a person" which I CANNOT do for practically any of the cast members today. Nowadays, the cast members are all be being cast for who can make the most drama. And be serious now, there's gonna be drama either way. That's why battle of the seasons and sexes were so much better (well amongst other reasons, cough cough, they didn't have TJ cough cough). With people like Yes, Veronica, Dan, it was just like wow these are people I'd want to hang out with if I could have the chance, instead of people like Evan or Johnny, who it's now like, Wow, I'd want to punch them in the face! if I had the chance.[/QUOTE]
I think one thing that BMP considers when casting people for the challenges, is their availability. Most of the people "who viewers would like" or old schoolers are probably busy and have moved on, so that's probably why they haven't been casted. Maybe the other fresh meats that haven't done more challenges, had other stuff to do.
I think we've established that plenty of older castmembers have confirmed that they'd be willing to do challenges if asked as well as Fresh Meat like Aviv have also.
People cannot complain about Fresh Meat, because I know good & well if they asked you to compete in a Fresh Meat challenge you'd jump at the oppurtunity.
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