The Challenge: Rivals II - Mortuusequusphobia

[QUOTE=Fullback12;356949]As of today they are still at each other necks. Judging from Twitter.[/QUOTE] Who?

Honestly, I dislike practically every female team on this season outside of Cara Maria/Cooke, and that's mostly because of Cara Maria. Diem has gotten on my nerves I will admit with some of the comments she's made about certain things, trying to justify them based on what's "fair" when it's clear she just wants to win in the easiest way possible and anything stopping that isn't "fair" to her.

[QUOTE=JEKFAN;356944]I completely agree. It's sad to me that Jemmye is so angry with him because I really was pulling for them as a couple or atleast to be friends. He def. regrets cheating on her, I mean on battle of the seasons, he said he would marry her so he def isn't completely over her and not ready to see her hook up with someone else.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I like them as a couple, too. But Jemmye's made it pretty clear she's over him. His tweets make it clear he misses her, too. Even a month ago, he tweeted, "I dont know why I ever cared cuz u make me ******** hate it."

[QUOTE=brunett;356954]Yeah, I like them as a couple, too. But Jemmye's made it pretty clear she's over him. His tweets make it clear he misses her, too. Even a month ago, he tweeted, "I dont know why I ever cared cuz u make me ******** hate it."[/QUOTE] Well if you ask me. Knight has nobody to blame but himself when it comes to him and Jemmeye. He may not want to see her with anyone else. But it really doesn't matter. Jemmeye doesn't want him anymore and He's going to have to deal with that.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;356952]Honestly, I dislike practically every female team on this season outside of Cara Maria/Cooke, and that's mostly because of Cara Maria. Diem has gotten on my nerves I will admit with some of the comments she's made about certain things, trying to justify them based on what's "fair" when it's clear she just wants to win in the easiest way possible and anything stopping that isn't "fair" to her.[/QUOTE] I agree. There's actually not very many teams this season that I'm rooting for. Cara Maria/Cooke and Nany/Jonna are the only girl teams I want to win. I was a Diem/Aneesa supporter until this last episode. Diem lost my support for her team with her "****" rap about Nany and when she complained about Cooke wanting the guys to vote for her. I have tons of respect for Diem for being a cancer survivor, my mom is cancer survivor too, so I see Diem as a positive role model for people who have had to fight the disease and their families, but I don't like how she plays the game in these Challenges. She needs to lose her sense of entitlement. Being a vet doesn't make you exempt from receiving votes for elimination, especially when the team wanting to send you home is the same team you keep telling everyone to vote for.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;356957]Well if you ask me. Knight has nobody to blame but himself when it comes to him and Jemmeye. He may not want to see her with anyone else. But it really doesn't matter. Jemmeye doesn't want him anymore and He's going to have to deal with that.[/QUOTE] True.

[QUOTE=SourWolf;356959][B]I agree. There's actually not very many teams this season that I'm rooting for. Cara Maria/Cooke and Nany/Jonna are the only girl teams I want to win.[/B] I was a Diem/Aneesa supporter until this last episode. Diem lost my support for her team with her "****" rap about Nany and when she complained about Cooke wanting the guys to vote for her. I have tons of respect for Diem for being a cancer survivor, my mom is cancer survivor too, so I see Diem as a positive role model for people who have had to fight the disease and their families, but I don't like how she plays the game in these Challenges. She needs to lose her sense of entitlement. Being a vet doesn't make you exempt from receiving votes for elimination, especially when the team wanting to send you home is the same team you keep telling everyone to vote for.[/QUOTE] Same, I like emily too but cant stand paula. Can't wait to the next episodes,there's more drama on the girls side than the guys side, I really want to see cooke and cara winning one challenge to see who this girls are going to throw in.

Honestly it just surprises me a bit to see Jem so over him. He cheated on her and that's obviously bad but Jem is not the type of girl who doesn't put up with crap (even though she tries very hard to portray herself that way). We all saw her on RW: NOLA, we all saw how she put up with Knight's constant put downs and disrespect, we all saw her talk about her abusive relationship with her ex-boyfriend...so she's perfectly fine with those things, but a guy cheats on her once, is honestly sorry for it, does everything he can to make up for it - but that's a deal-breaker for her? It just does not seem consistent with Jem's personality. It almost makes me wonder if there's more to it, if there's maybe another reason she doesn't want him back, or if she'd been losing interest in him for a while before she dumped him. You know?

Some people may have missed this, but it is made clear in Diem's current People.com column. Diem is not a 2X cancer survivor, she is a one time cancer survivor whose 2nd experience with cancer is ongoing. She was not cured by the additional surgery, radiation and Chemo. Her cancer is "under control" which means that the treatments have stopped the progress of the disease. I would hope that this understanding will place some of Diem's comment (and your viewing response) into a better context.

[QUOTE=V1man;356965]Some people may have missed this, but it is made clear in Diem's current People.com column. Diem is not a 2X cancer survivor, she is a one time cancer survivor whose 2nd experience with cancer is ongoing. She was not cured by the additional surgery, radiation and Chemo. Her cancer is "under control" which means that the treatments have stopped the progress of the disease. I would hope that this understanding will place some of Diem's comment (and your viewing response) into a better context.[/QUOTE] I was not one of the Diem-bashers but I didn't know she still had the cancer. I knew she'd gotten it a second time but I thought she'd beaten it a second time. So is she going to be ok?

[QUOTE=brunett;356967]I was not one of the Diem-bashers but I didn't know she still had the cancer. I knew she'd gotten it a second time but I thought she'd beaten it a second time. So is she going to be ok?[/QUOTE] That is a question I frankly don't know how to answer.

If you read her blog this week, she's basically saying that she's tired of living in fear of her "stable" cancer causing trouble again. I'm sure that she'd love to know if she was going to be okay but she's made the courageous decision to live life to the fullest and not letting the fear of reoccurrence haunt her.

Can I just say RoyLee was everything in this episode. From the facial expressions (that were edited in) to the silly raps and talking to the camera... even at the deliberation: "Sorry Diem and Aneesa, we're going to vote in Nany and Jonna" after promising Cooke they would vote the way she wanted them to. He's such a clown, good to see him get some cam time. Theresa may not be getting much cam time as well but she sure is instigating some events on the low as well as Jemmye.

lol I re watched some of the episode, and the part when CT/Wes are doing the challenge is hilarious, CT really doesnt know how to enunciate, I thought Wes was just exaggerating to make it sound like CT cant speak properly but right after Wes says he cant understand him CT says some gibrish that sounds like "put in this hole, wez air daz air, you got there douze" lol the **** does that mean?! CT is so unintentionally funny, maybe some one from Boston can translate that.

[QUOTE=SourWolf;356959]I agree. There's actually not very many teams this season that I'm rooting for. Cara Maria/Cooke and Nany/Jonna are the only girl teams I want to win. I was a Diem/Aneesa supporter until this last episode. Diem lost my support for her team with her "****" rap about Nany and [B]when she complained about Cooke wanting the guys to vote for her[/B]. I have tons of respect for Diem for being a cancer survivor, my mom is cancer survivor too, so I see Diem as a positive role model for people who have had to fight the disease and their families, but I don't like how she plays the game in these Challenges. She needs to lose her sense of entitlement. Being a vet doesn't make you exempt from receiving votes for elimination, especially when the team wanting to send you home is the same team you keep telling everyone to vote for.[/QUOTE] You wouldnt be a bit pissed off when a rookie is going to your ex and some people youve known for more then 5 years and been friends with (Wes) and tries to convince them to send you in? I dont get this hate on Diem about her sense of entitlement. You dont think the veteran guys feel the exact way towards rookies and players who have only been in challenges for a couple seasons?? Imagine the reaction of CT, Wes or johnny when Marlon or Jordan went around and started approached Diem, Paula, Camilla and tried to convince them to send CT, Wes or Johnny in. Just think about that for a second..

[QUOTE=RWaddict;357097]You wouldnt be a bit pissed off when a rookie is going to your ex and some people youve known for more then 5 years and been friends with (Wes) and tries to convince them to send you in? I dont get this hate on Diem about her sense of entitlement. You dont think the veteran guys feel the exact way towards rookies and players who have only been in challenges for a couple seasons?? Imagine the reaction of CT, Wes or johnny when Marlon or Jordan went around and started approached Diem, Paula, Camilla and tried to convince them to send CT, Wes or Johnny in. Just think about that for a second..[/QUOTE] The difference is Wes, Johnny, and even Ct have had alot of success on these shows and have been great competitors, Diem is middle of the pack competitor who always throws a fit when her name gets brought up. Cooke/Cara are a better team than annesa/diem so it wasn't crazy for cooke to try and rally guys to support the stronger team.

[QUOTE=Lostcity;357099]The difference is Wes, Johnny, and even Ct have had alot of success on these shows and have been great competitors, Diem is middle of the pack competitor who always throws a fit when her name gets brought up. Cooke/Cara are a better team than annesa/diem so it wasn't crazy for cooke to try and rally guys to support the stronger team.[/QUOTE] Just because Diem hasn't taken the 1st place doesn't mean that she is anything less than a strong competitor. She practically carried CT during the last half of the Exes final. She and Aneesa were one place away from winning the challenge in this episode. Combine that with the fact that Diem was a few weeks out of chemo and I think your point becomes a bit less validated.

I think the challenge is so unfair when it comes to voting if you dont finish in first place they should put team names in a jar and select randomly and that team should go in the elimination. who agree??

[QUOTE=RWaddict;357097]You wouldnt be a bit ****** off when a rookie is going to your ex and some people youve known for more then 5 years and been friends with (Wes) and tries to convince them to send you in? I dont get this hate on Diem about her sense of entitlement. You dont think the veteran guys feel the exact way towards rookies and players who have only been in challenges for a couple seasons?? Imagine the reaction of CT, Wes or johnny when Marlon or Jordan went around and started approached Diem, Paula, Camilla and tried to convince them to send CT, Wes or Johnny in. Just think about that for a second..[/QUOTE] [B]Exactly ! I 100% agree with you. If someone tried to go to my Ex boyfriend, and GOOD FRIENDS ( Wes and Johnny ) and tried to get them to throw me in, I would be extra ******- Actually, I would laugh because the fact that she thought she would be able to is laughable. I don't understand why these rookie girls are suddenly going after Diem. I think they think she's weak? Why is everybody els hating on her- If she is Sweet/Nice, she's " Fake " and if she defends herself, people don't like her then. Its probably SO annoying for Paula/Emily/Diem/Aneesa/Camila to be Veteran girls, wanting SO BADLY to win one, and have these new Rookie girls come, and try to Flirt their way to get a vote. I liked Jemmye, but what an instigator. Who knows if Diem made a rap about Nany- even if she did, she was probably drunk. [/B]

I think if it was the other way round and the rookies tried to get Diem/Aneesa to throw Wes/CT or Johnny/Frank, I dont think the guys would get mad at the rookies, they would get mad at the girls. You cant blame ppl for trying to play the game. I can see Diem thinking she's entitled cause I guess she thinks Wes/CT/Johnny are her guys and I guess no one else is allowed to make deals with them and she's probably scared they may turn agaisnt her cause unfortunately she's not Emily/Paula so she's depending on these guys to stay in the game. It wasnt going to happen anyways cause no one cares about Cara Maria/Cook, the guys Cook asked, (Wes/CT/Zach) have no ties to Cara/Cook so obviously as Zach said they would put themselves in a very bad situation for no reason. But like I said I dont think the guys would get mad at the rookies for trying that, girls are different, and Diem has a thing against Cook (apparently something that didnt air yet) so I'm sure she thinks Cook has a lot of nerve And by close friends I think shes only referring to Wes and Johnny, I doubt she saw CT and Frank as her bffs. So imo Frank and CT are fair game to try and persuade, she cant get mad at that, its not really fair for Wes/Johnny to dictate everything on their teams based on who theyre friends with. If CT feels Cook/Cara are his close friends too then he has a right to side with them too

[QUOTE=V1man;356937]Well, Trigger, it looks like the rookie doesn't know s*** and welcome to vevmo.[/QUOTE] So even though his profile from his season on RW: Paris says he was in school for business admin, he said he was an engineering student, but he obviously didn't graduate. Should we be impressed by that? On another note, did anyone else notice Emily was wearing her helmet backwards during the challenge?

[QUOTE=skimthrough;357100]Just because Diem hasn't taken the 1st place doesn't mean that she is anything less than a strong competitor. She practically carried CT during the last half of the Exes final. She and Aneesa were one place away from winning the challenge in this episode. Combine that with the fact that Diem was a few weeks out of chemo and I think your point becomes a bit less validated.[/QUOTE] She's good but not great, definitely not great to the point where any male team should fear voting her way. I'm speaking in terms of team diem/anessa are not better than cara/cooke or not even top 3 team imo.

[QUOTE=RWaddict;357097]You wouldnt be a bit pissed off when a rookie is going to your ex and some people youve known for more then 5 years and been friends with (Wes) and tries to convince them to send you in? [B]I dont get this hate on Diem about her sense of entitlement[/B]. You dont think the veteran guys feel the exact way towards rookies and players who have only been in challenges for a couple seasons?? Imagine the reaction of CT, Wes or johnny when Marlon or Jordan went around and started approached Diem, Paula, Camilla and tried to convince them to send CT, Wes or Johnny in. Just think about that for a second..[/QUOTE] I love Diem and I respect her as a person, but i don't like the way she plays the game, thinking she has to be safe every time and if she isn't she goes "crazy", here are the receipts: 1- Fresh meat 1: (Final 4): So Tina send "Derek vs Darrell" in the elimination and what happened? Diem went crazy on Tina cause she was obviously pissed she got voted in, and said how Kenny was carrying her, etc. Totally unnecessary since Tina and Wes were already send in Elimination plenty of times, so it was only fair to send Derick and Darrel in. What? they didn't deserve to go in cause they were a strong team? lol well the previous week Diem send Theo and Shanda in cause they were a strong team, it was a strategic move, and since it wasn't her going in, is ok. But now that they're doing a strategic move and YOU are going in, is all of a sudden unfair? .... 2- Duel 1: (Final 4): Aneesa says to Diem shes not going to send her in cause she taught she was going to win, and after Jodi won, Aneesa obviously sends her in cause she wasn't going to send her best friend in. Diem again gets pissed even tho it was obvious she wasn't going to send her best friend in. And after she got eliminated she wouldn't even say bye to Aneesa cause "She send me home" ... 3- Duel 2: (Finals 4, Final 4 are not good scenarios for Diem huh? lol): So Rachel, Aneesa and Brittini?? were in a alliance together, so they will obviously vote Diem in, Diem should have expected it and just take it like a true competitor, but for some reason she didn't think it was fair for her to go in and was kind of pissed in the deliberation saying how she wanted to hear her name come out of the other girls mouth or something like that. So after all that history shes in this challenge trying to send Cooke/Cara in, again, but if it was her (like history shows) she would have said how it wasn't fair and be pissed, etc, etc. I Respect Diem as a person, but i'm not a fan of her on this shows as a competitor. So I can definitely see where other members are coming from when they say they aren't a fan of Diem (On The Show) either.

[QUOTE=RWaddict;357097]You wouldnt be a bit pissed off when a rookie is going to your ex and some people youve known for more then 5 years and been friends with (Wes) and tries to convince them to send you in? I dont get this hate on Diem about her sense of entitlement. You dont think the veteran guys feel the exact way towards rookies and players who have only been in challenges for a couple seasons?? Imagine the reaction of CT, Wes or johnny when Marlon or Jordan went around and started approached Diem, Paula, Camilla and tried to convince them to send CT, Wes or Johnny in. Just think about that for a second..[/QUOTE] No I wouldn't because I think it's ridiculously hypocritical (not to mention annoying) when the vets whine about the rookies wanting to get them eliminated. Of course the rookies want the vets to go home. They're always making the new kids the sacrificial lambs. Diem is using the same tactic on Cooke/Cara Maria. I'm not saying I would be happy that someone is trying to get my friends to vote for me, but if the team in question is one I've chosen to make the scapegoats then I would have no right to complain about that team trying to save themselves from being voted in again.

Does anyone know what the title of the episode is supposed to mean or say?

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;357115]Does anyone know what the title of the episode is supposed to mean or say?[/QUOTE] Fear of ketchup.

Diem annoyed me this entire episode. It just bothers me so much that she is always saying that she is so over Ct and doesn't want anything to do with him. But then she gets when he dances with chicks at the club. I mean girl you have made it SO clear to everyone that you don't want him so why cant he flirt?? Is he supposed to sit there and show you all the attention when you ignore him??? Girl get the **** over yourself. She always complains things are unfair, she's the one who is not fair. I'm really turned off by this. Im also degusted to find out that she lied. She said that she did not make up a rap about Nany at the club and at first I wanted to believe her because Jemmye had no proof and Jemmye claimed she was the only one to hear it so that was king of suspicious. But then Jasmine and Cara Maria did a spreecast interview and they both said that Diem admitted to it off camera. Then Jasmine said that Diem was bitter about Ct flirting with other females. WTF! So she told the truth when the cameras were not rolling but lied on television to keep her "Good girl" image. And tried to use that lame *** excuse that she is not a rapper. Girl, BYE! I hate that she tries to be innocent. We are all human and no one is innocent. I just wish she would stop with the excuses and lies. Maybe people would like her more if she would just own her **** because right now she is just on my last nerves. but then again, she was talking hormone replacement medication so maybe that is the sole reason for her actions this episode... ?

[QUOTE=Trigger7672;357105]So even though his profile from his season on RW: Paris says he was in school for business admin, he said he was an engineering student, but he obviously didn't graduate. Should we be impressed by that? On another note, did anyone else notice Emily was wearing her helmet backwards during the challenge?[/QUOTE] I'm impressed by very few people, so I don't see why you should be either. Going back the initiating comment on this apparently contentious tail, I was actually making fun of the stupidity of the cast in apparently believing what TJ said about the power of the connected batteries which should have been laughable to anyone who paid attention in any high school mechanical sciences program. Beyond that, I have no reason to doubt what Chris has said on one than one occasion about his undergrad experience. It may well include business administration in addition to engineering. Base on years of experience in working with the network, the last source I would immediately trust would be a bio from MTV.

[QUOTE=Imjustsayin;357118]Diem annoyed me this entire episode. It just bothers me so much that she is always saying that she is so over Ct and doesn't want anything to do with him. But then she gets when he dances with chicks at the club. I mean girl you have made it SO clear to everyone that you don't want him so why cant he flirt?? Is he supposed to sit there and show you all the attention when you ignore him??? Girl get the **** over yourself. She always complains things are unfair, she's the one who is not fair. I'm really turned off by this. Im also degusted to find out that she lied. She said that she did not make up a rap about Nany at the club and at first I wanted to believe her because Jemmye had no proof and Jemmye claimed she was the only one to hear it so that was king of suspicious. But then Jasmine and Cara Maria did a spreecast interview and they both said that Diem admitted to it off camera. Then Jasmine said that Diem was bitter about Ct flirting with other females. WTF! So she told the truth when the cameras were not rolling but lied on television to keep her "Good girl" image. And tried to use that lame *** excuse that she is not a rapper. Girl, BYE![/QUOTE] My opinion is this. CT off the show seems like a good guy who does have a caring side but let's face it, he's wild. He drinks a lot and hooks up with a lot of girls, not just on the challenge but also in his own real-life probably. Does this mean he never loved Diem? No. I think he did love her, but I also think CT is not the type of man who could ever stay faithful to a woman in the long term. Some men are just like this. So the reason Diem probably denies wanting to get with him and really hesitates is probably because she is thinking is this guy really someone I could settle down with off the challenges. She probably could easily start something with CT on camera for the time period of the challenge, just to have a fun hookup on the challenge, but then that would lead CT to believe that it would continue on after the challenge, which would not be something Diem would want. So she probably doesn't want to start something she can't finish. I think there was more to Diem wanting to break up with CT than just career first. I think most likely she questioned his fidelity. I have no proof of this, just my own feeling from how CT is in general, his personality type. However, I do think Diem still has an attraction towards CT, but it seems she is not comfortable with the fact that she still has an attraction and wants to deny it because CT is a wild child. Diem, like a lot of women, probably thought she could change a man and wasn't able to. Now she is attracted to CT still but probably dislikes that she is or perhaps she just wishes she could get it out of her system and solely think of him as a friend now but it's just not happening. She's probably conflicted. I agree that she probably does not have the right to be upset at all about CT hooking up with other women but how often do you have to be put into a house with your ex and hear about him or watch him hook up with six other girls. Probably a lot of women would have a hard time with that, even though logically they know that the man is not theirs anymore so they shouldn't care but a lot of girls would care anyway. I kind of get turned off by Jemmye's behavior. This is the second time she has gone and told somebody something to start some drama when she should just keep things to herself. I think Diem at heart is a good person though. Just look at how much she does for charity and cancer awareness, helping other people. So that right there tells me that she has a good heart, but of course no human being is perfect and of course the MTV cameras are naturally going to pick up on the flaws of everyone in that house. Just look at Zach throwing a temper tantrum at the cameras in the upcoming preview over missing the birth of his nephew. I think it's understandable he would be upset about missing that and also that the cameras get tiresome for him, but he also knew before he left that there was a possibility he could miss that and also signed a contract stating cameras will be there 24/7....yet he still got upset and yet as a viewer I still understand because he was thinking from a place of emotion, not logic...and that's called being a human being. Anyway, got off on a tangent there, lol.

[QUOTE=skimthrough;357100]Just because Diem hasn't taken the 1st place doesn't mean that she is anything less than a strong competitor. She practically carried CT during the last half of the Exes final. She and Aneesa were one place away from winning the challenge in this episode. Combine that with the fact that Diem was a few weeks out of chemo and I think your point becomes a bit less validated.[/QUOTE] I agree. I think what Diem was probably the most pissed about was that Cooke said she is not the angel she appears to be and that she deserves to go home. Cooke to me comes off as catty and mean. She could have just said that I think Aneesa and Diem should be voted in because they are a strong team and I want to get rid of a strong team to make mine and Cara Marie's chances better of getting to the final. Be more logical about it. But the way Cooke was in the confessional, it came across as just cattiness. One women simply not liking the personality of another women or being jealous and that is a reason why Diem had to go. I think had Cooke's reasons been more logical and just based on strategic game play, I don't think Diem would have been so upset. JMO.