[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;393578]Paul, I'm curious what is your top 10 females list?[/QUOTE] Ranking the females is so much more difficult than the males because there were some good female competitors who only did one challenge. But I'd start with Evelyn as number one all time, than in no particularly order Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S. So it looks like this.... Evelyn, Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393580]Ranking the females is so much more difficult than the males because there were some good female competitors who only did one challenge. But I'd start with Evelyn as number one all time, than in no particularly order Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S. So it looks like this.... Evelyn, Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that list, except I think Emily S and Camila should almost be tied for 10th place.
You claim to want to only use missions, but then dismiss them when they work in Landons favor. And how could finals not be a huge part of the discussion. It is the MOST important mission there is and Landon is undeniably better at them
Lol. Prime Evan and Wes. And you are claiming others are being biased?
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;393581]I agree with that list, except I think Emily S and Camila should almost be tied for 10th place.[/QUOTE] I agree, but if I had to select one I would choose Emily because she's physically superior and has a bit more upside. Holly (RR Maximum Velocity Tour) would be in my top ten, but for the sake of stats, I cannot put her there since she only did Battle of the Seasons (which was a pair challenge so she didn't get to show off much individual abilities). I believe she was better than every female in my top ten expect maybe Evelyn.
[QUOTE=27502;393582]You claim to want to only use missions, but then dismiss them when they work in Landons favor. And how could finals not be a huge part of the discussion. It is the MOST important mission there is and Landon is undeniably better at them Lol. Prime Evan and Wes. And you are claiming others are being biased?[/QUOTE] I don't only use missions, I use everything but final missions wins and social game. Its just that missions are the biggest category and CT being the best performer statistically on three challenges that all featured tough overall competition on the male side is a better stat than any male competitor has to offer. Again, only Theo Von comes close (Landon doesn't).
You just ignored the Duel 2 again. Oh that does not count? Evan was CT's main competion on the Duel and you consider that a great cast. But Evan on the duel 2 is suddenly a bum. And lol at not factoring in final missions at all. It is essentially the same as saying sb performances are meaningless and we should use regular season performance only.
[QUOTE=27502;393586]You just ignored the Duel 2 again. Oh that does not count? Evan was CT's main competion on the Duel and you consider that a great cast. But Evan on the duel 2 is suddenly a bum. And lol at not factoring in final missions at all. It is essentially the same as saying sb performances are meaningless and we should use regular season performance only.[/QUOTE] Wow, Landon was the best competitor on the Duel 2. CT was the best competitor on the Inferno, Inferno 2 (which Landon competed on mind you), and the Duel! Landon cannot match or better that stat! Evan downgraded on the Duel 2, he wasn't nearly as good as he was on the original Duel. You cannot put Landon over CT, what's so hard to understand about that? You cannot provide a strong enough argument for Landon that bests CT's Inferno, Inferno 2 and the Duel stats.
Landons Duel 2 was better than CT's duel. Evan did not downgrade he just looked weak in comparison to Landon. I love how you think you actually stating facts. here is your logic. I go by mission performances. CT won 3 on the Duel. Landon won 5 on the duel 2, but CT's performace was still better. Wtf? Are you even listening to yourself? Also, just by missions wins, Evan was the best on the duel.
I agree CT is slightly better in challenges though. You seem to be ignoring that and completely leaving off final performances which is beyond absurd.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;393589]1-CT 2-Mark 3-Dan 4-Theo 5-Landon[/QUOTE] Nice, but I disagree about Mark being ranked second. He was never the best individual performer in a mission, and he lacked the competitiveness as the others in the top five (I believe he allowed Johnny to beat him on Exes it was obvious). Mark was a very consistent competitor who always performed near the top, but he wasn't as dominate as Dan, Theo or Landon who all outperformed him (Dan and Theo on Battle of the Sexes 2 and Landon the Duel 2).
[QUOTE=27502;393590]Landons Duel 2 was better than CT's duel. Evan did not downgrade he just looked weak in comparison to Landon. I love how you think you actually stating facts. here is your logic. I go by mission performances. CT won 3 on the Duel. Landon won 5 on the duel 2, but CT's performace was still better. Wtf? Are you even listening to yourself? Also, just by missions wins, Evan was the best on the duel.
I agree CT is slightly better in challenges though. You seem to be ignoring that and completely leaving off final performances which is beyond absurd.[/QUOTE]
Evan did slightly downgrade. Just look at easily flustered he got in his elimination rounds against easy competition like Davis and Nehemiah. We hardly got to see him compete individually on the Duel 2. Another reason why comparing Landon and CT's Duel performances isn't valid.
CT's done pretty well in finals, though. His worst showing was Exes and that's saying a lot since his only flaw was failing to pace himself.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393580]Ranking the females is so much more difficult than the males because there were some good female competitors who only did one challenge. But I'd start with Evelyn as number one all time, than in no particularly order Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S. So it looks like this.... Evelyn, Rachel R, Ruthie, Veronica, Emily Baily, Holly Shand, Kameelah, Jodi, Laurel and Emily S.[/QUOTE]
I'd replace Kameelah with coral tbh because coral dominated fresh meat and battle of the seasons granted she had mike as a partner but still. Or even Kina based on the gauntlet 2
[QUOTE=27502;393590]Landons Duel 2 was better than CT's duel. Evan did not downgrade he just looked weak in comparison to Landon. I love how you think you actually stating facts. here is your logic. I go by mission performances. CT won 3 on the Duel. Landon won 5 on the duel 2, but CT's performace was still better. Wtf? Are you even listening to yourself? Also, just by missions wins, Evan was the best on the duel. I agree CT is slightly better in challenges though. You seem to be ignoring that and completely leaving off final performances which is beyond absurd.[/QUOTE] Evan did downgrade on the Duel 2! On the Duel, Evan was the best performer in Pass With Care, second best in Flying Leap, best in Pole Dance, best in Dine-N-Dash, and best in Ice Breakers as a individual performer (and that's not even including his pair wins with Jodi and Kina). On the Duel 2, Evan was only the best performer individually in Spelling Air (just one mission), he only won Last Man Standing because he wasn't a target in the mission (he even stated he took no credit for the win). He gave lackluster performances in Freezing As Puck, All Shook Up, Don't Let Go, Burnt (in which he was outperformed by Landon, Mark and Brad) and in Upside Downer (in which he was again fourth overall in performance in the mission getting outperformed by Landon, Mark and Brad). So how exactly was Evan just as good again?? The problem is you don't analyze the challenge more thoroughly, or at all for that matter. Your knowledge and logic on these topics are weak. And I'm not leaving out final mission performances, its just that missions again make up the majority of a competitors stat sheet. CT only had one bad final mission, he was solid in all of his others (keep in mind that CT has done nine challenges while Landon four).
[QUOTE=27502;393593]Evan always flusters in elimination rounds, he did vs CT in the duel as well.
His flaw was gassing[/QUOTE]
CT was also one hell of a competitor. Hence my "flustered against easy competition".
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;393595]I'd replace Kameelah with coral tbh because coral dominated fresh meat and battle of the seasons granted she had mike as a partner but still[/QUOTE] Coral didn't dominate Battle of the Seasons, Kelly outperformed her and I believe Elka as well. And Sean and Elka were the best Real World team, not Mike and Coral. Sean was Real World's best male competitor on that challenge, he outperformed Mike in most of the missions. Coral was roughly the best female competitor on Battle of the Sexes 2 however, and on Fresh Meat but she still has those poor Gauntlet and Inferno performances. Coral got progressively better as her challenge career went on after the Inferno, while Kameelah was right out of the gate a top performer and the best female performer on the Extreme Challenge. So I'd go with Kameelah.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393598]Coral didn't dominate Battle of the Seasons, Kelly outperformed her and I believe Elka as well. And Sean and Elka were the best Real World team, not Mike and Coral. Sean was Real World's best male competitor on that challenge, he outperformed Mike in most of the missions. Coral was roughly the best female competitor on Battle of the Sexes 2 however, and on Fresh Meat but she still has those poor Gauntlet and Inferno performances. Coral got progressively better as her challenge career went on after the Inferno, while Kameelah was right out of the gate a top performer and the best female performer on the Extreme Challenge. So I'd go with Kameelah.[/QUOTE]
True but what are your thoughts on Kina BC IMO she was the second best girl on the gauntlet 2 aside from Jodi and she did alright on the duel
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;393600]True but what are your thoughts on Kina BC IMO she was the second best girl on the gauntlet 2 aside from Jodi and she did alright on the duel[/QUOTE] Kina was good, but she's not top ten good. She's in the 16-20 range I'd say. She didn't impress on the Battle of the Sexes 2 and was outperformed by Jodi and Svetlana on the Duel and only barely outperformed Diem. Her Gauntlet 2 performance was solid, at least in her elimination rounds.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393598]Coral didn't dominate Battle of the Seasons, Kelly outperformed her and I believe Elka as well. And Sean and Elka were the best Real World team, not Mike and Coral. Sean was Real World's best male competitor on that challenge, he outperformed Mike in most of the missions. Coral was roughly the best female competitor on Battle of the Sexes 2 however, and on Fresh Meat but she still has those poor Gauntlet and Inferno performances. Coral got progressively better as her challenge career went on after the Inferno, while Kameelah was right out of the gate a top performer and the best female performer on the Extreme Challenge. So I'd go with Kameelah.[/QUOTE]
Do you know where I can watch Extreme Challenge?
[QUOTE=Challenge 17;393600]True but what are your thoughts on Kina BC IMO she was the second best girl on the gauntlet 2 aside from Jodi and she did alright on the duel[/QUOTE]
I would put Kina on top 20. She is not an elite competitor, but she is pretty good.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393603]Nope, sorry. You have to buy it on ioffer.com[/QUOTE]
That's a bummer. The only seasons I haven't watch are the first four because I can't find them anywhere.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;393605]That's a bummer. The only seasons I haven't watch are the first four because I can't find them anywhere.[/QUOTE] Battle of the Seasons is on Youtube.
My rank for the girls:
1. Evelyn
2. Laurel
3. Rachel R.
4. Jodi
5. Holly S.
6. Emily S.
7. Coral
8. Emily B.
9. Camila
10. Cooke
Honorable mentions:
Ruthie
Sarah
Brittini
Kina
Marie
Kellyanne
Veronica
Susie
Tori
[QUOTE=PaulX001;393606]Battle of the Seasons is on Youtube.[/QUOTE]
I mean Road Rules: All Stars, Real World/Road Rules Challenge, Extreme Challenge and Challenge 2000. All Stars is on youtube, but it isn't complete.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;393607]My rank for the girls: 1. Evelyn 2. Laurel 3. Rachel R. 4. Jodi 5. Holly S. 6. Emily S. 7. Coral 8. Emily B. 9. Camila 10. Cooke Honorable mentions: Ruthie Sarah Brittini Kina Marie Kellyanne Veronica Susie Tori[/QUOTE] Ruthie and Veronica deserve to be in the top ten over Coral and Cooke easily.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;393608]I mean Road Rules: All Stars, Real World/Road Rules Challenge, Extreme Challenge and Challenge 2000. All Stars is on youtube, but it isn't complete.[/QUOTE] Oh, I don't count All Stars as a challenge.
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