The Challenge: Generic Thread

[QUOTE=Superboy;279982][QUOTE[B] Yes i do. Timmy is "The Secret Weapon" as Beth stated on the Gauntlet 2 preview show.[/QUOTE] Of course, you've taken Beth's statement completely out of context -- and it was said in a promotional show by an actress who is great at memorizing scripts and cashing the checks for it. [QUOTE] LOL! You think you can take me, than come on! Who was a better overall competitor Theo V or The Miz? Explain.[/QUOTE] [B]Why would I care and why would it make a difference?[/B] Both were good at some things and not good at others. Both are entertainers first, something completely averse to the far better Landon. Theo is a good guy and spent a lot of time trying to be funny, which worked -- sort of -- but not on Battle of the Network Reality Stars where he couldn't get along with America's favorite TAR-5 winner, Chip McAllister. I'll give him credit for winning the BNRS "Soapbox Derby" comp, but have to dock him for losing his cool during the final competition and being largely responsible for his team's elimination. It was so bad that he was on the the few who didn't turn up for the reunion show. Mike spent a lot of time trying to explain his relationship with Coral and defending the one with Trishelle. Theo clearly couldn't do that! And, Mike did make it to the finals of all but one challenge, so at least he didn't suck on average. Plus points for being on the winning side during Battle of the Seasons and The Inferno 2. And mega points for eating worms on Fear Factor and hosting Diva Search where the women were the ones on steroids. Neither one produced spectacular individual victories in one-v-one competition, but both competed in the day when the challenges were much less rigged/weighted to produce good TV.

[QUOTE][B]Of course, you've taken Beth's statement completely out of context [/B]-- and it was said in a promotional show by an actress who is great at memorizing scripts and cashing the checks for it. [/QUOTE] How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. [QUOTE][B]Why would I care and why would it make a difference?[/B] Both were good at some things and not good at others. Both are entertainers first, something completely averse to the far better Landon. Theo is a good guy and spent a lot of time trying to be funny, which worked -- sort of -- but not on Battle of the Network Reality Stars where he couldn't get along with America's favorite TAR-5 winner, Chip McAllister. I'll give him credit for winning the BNRS "Soapbox Derby" comp, but have to dock him for losing his cool during the final competition and being largely responsible for his team's elimination. It was so bad that he was on the the few who didn't turn up for the reunion show. Mike spent a lot of time trying to explain his relationship with Coral and defending the one with Trishelle. Theo clearly couldn't do that! And, Mike did make it to the finals of all but one challenge, so at least he didn't suck on average. Plus points for being on the winning side during Battle of the Seasons and The Inferno 2. And mega points for eating worms on Fear Factor and hosting Diva Search where the women were the ones on steroids. Neither one produced spectacular individual victories in one-v-one competition, but both competed in the day when the challenges were much less rigged/weighted to produce good TV.[/QUOTE] FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze the all the challenges come back to me.

[QUOTE=Superboy;280016]How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze the all the challenges come back to me.[/QUOTE] They were on different freaking teams. How can you weigh their performance? Especially on Seasons when it was a partner one. BOTS2 Miz messed up once, Theo didn't mess up. I guess that means he VASTLY out-performed him. Gauntlet please provide me with a list of all of their times in every mission and I'll get back to you.

[QUOTE=Superboy;279982]So if you replace Landon with CT on the Inferno 2 the Bad ***** would of won? Yes i do. Timmy is "The Secret Weapon" as Beth stated on the Gauntlet 2 preview show. Was considered the strongest Road Rules competitor by his own team and by the Real World team on the Inferno 1 and was Road Rules leader. He beat two great competitors in Derrick and Abram(even though he got a DQ, he still basically beat Abram, he just made an ignorant mistake by standing up and knocking the glass out), andhe was consider a better competitor than Alton on the Inferno 3(Kenny who was on the ******** said he would rather go up against Altonthan Timmy, stating that Timmy was "no joke") and was once again named captain(while also having a [B]bad leg injury[/B]). He was VERY strong, asevident in the first mission on the Inferno were he got across the wire with using just his hands, and utterly destroyed Derrick(a guy who outwrestled the 230 pound Syrus) in the final male Gauntlet on the Gauntlet 2. And he was the only player that Mike the Miz feared to go against as Mike admitted to being scared to face Timmy in the Inferno on the first episode of Inferno 1. He was very athletic as shown in the climbing wall mission on the Inferno 1, getting a time of 37 seconds, SMOKING every other competitor. He was a natural leader and had a great mindset about the challenges. LOL! You think you can take me, than come on! Who was a better overall competitor Theo V or The Miz? Explain.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Superboy;280016]How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze all the challenges come back to me.[/QUOTE] I didn't say one was better than the other. I was making fun of both. You may be "Superboy" but you clearly are not super-intuitive As for Beth, she will speak for herself. When she calls me back, I'll post her reply, assuming she stops laughing long enough to offer a reply. Personally, I think you should get a life. No reasonably normal person analyzes all the challenges. I certainly can't be bothered to do so. Yawn...

I don't see how he can keep arguing CT as the best competitor when he hasn't won a Challenge yet. He may be the best athlete but he is far from the best competitor.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;280020]They were on different freaking teams. How can you weigh their performance? Especially on Seasons when it was a partner one. BOTS2 Miz messed up once, Theo didn't mess up. I guess that means he VASTLY out-performed him. [B]Gauntlet please provide me with a list of all of their times in every mission and I'll get back to you[/B].[/QUOTE] This is based on the missions that showed off individual strength and skill. Battle of the Seasons -Vertical Limit-Theo scores 18 while Miz scores 13 -Slam Dunk-Theo makes a basket while Miz doesn't -Ladder of Doom-Theo scores 3:01 whole Miz scores 4:00 -[B]Theo sweeps Mike[/B] The Gauntlet -Snake Soup-Mike won, he lasted much longer -Mud Bath-Tie, both got eliminated at the same time -Sink My Ship-Tie, both got sunked in the same round -Red Barron-Tie, no times were shown -Inferno-Theo won, he got a time of 0:36 while Mike got 0:50 -Rolling On A River-Mike won he lasted longer -Turntable-Theo won he lasted longer -All Or Nothing-Theo won he made it up the rope while Miz got a DQ -Vertical Sweep-Theo won he scored 1:26 while Mike scored 4:06 -Dukes Of Saturn-Theo won he scored 0:31:34 while Miz scored 0:38:78 -[B]Theo wins overall, 5 to 2.[/B] Battle of the Sexes 2 [B]Theo made it to the final 3 while Mike was the 7th male voted out[/B]. [QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;280030]I don't see how he can keep arguing CT as the best competitor when he hasn't won a Challenge yet. He may be the best athlete but he is far from the best competitor.[/QUOTE] Again, he never won a challenge because of bad teams, people losing it for him(Adam and Eric), and fighting. He still has proven to be a better individual competitor than all the people he's competed on a challenge with.

I think CT has only lost 1 final where you can it was just as his fault as his teams and that would be Inferno 1. They had to correctly assemble the crossword puzzle and all the words he suggested were way off. Inferno 2 he had Tonya and Tina to drag him down, Duel 1 was technically his fault but I kind of believe what him and Beth said in that there was no way for someone that won to not DQ, Gauntlet 3 was Eric's fault for sure, and Inferno 3 and Duel 2 were obviously his own damn fault. I would say though that Adam ruined his chances on Rivals

To be the best competitor you also have to be strong mentally where CT is weak at. He got kicked off 2 shows because he can't keep his composure and lost The Duel 1 because he made a huge mental mistake. He may be the best athlete but I don't consider him the best competitor.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;280043]I think CT has only lost 1 final where you can it was just as his fault as his teams and that would be Inferno 1. They had to correctly assemble the crossword puzzle and all the words he suggested were way off. Inferno 2 he had Tonya and Tina to drag him down, [B]Duel 1 was technically his fault but I kind of believe what him and Beth said in that there was no way for someone that won to not DQ[/B], Gauntlet 3 was Eric's fault for sure, and Inferno 3 and Duel 2 were obviously his own damn fault. I would say though that Adam ruined his chances on Rivals[/QUOTE] Svetlana beat Kina without a DQ in Push Me.

CT is better than Landon at some things and vice versa, but when it comes to final challenges Landon is greater than the rest. Landon's pace is by far the best, he can run a final faster than everyone due to the combination of things he is great at.

[QUOTE=Nightwolf;280046]Svetlana beat Kina without a DQ in Push Me.[/QUOTE] Because Kina fell to the floor and cried. If you keep pushing the beam, the flag will rip out. Svetlana and Brad kept shaking as Beth and CT were trying to unhook the flag.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;280030]I don't see how he can keep arguing CT as the best competitor when he hasn't won a Challenge yet. He may be the best athlete but he is far from the best competitor.[/QUOTE] I'm not gonna say he's the best because I don't think he is, but I do think he is up there. To be honest, he only lost the Inferno 2 and the Gauntlet 3 because his teammates weighed him down. He got kicked off of the Inferno 3 and The Duel 2 for fighting, and he lost the duel on a total fluke where he ripped the flag off instead of unhooking it, but he destroyed Brad in that elimination. In Rivals, he just barely lost and it was partially Adam's fault. So his ******* streak in his first few seasons came back to bite him in the ***.

CT is a tremedous competitor, and whether or not he's better than everyone else is really undeterminable. In my opinion, Landon is the best, then to CT, Alton, Darrell, and Mark. But I think it's ridiculous to say that because somebody doesn't think that CT is the best, means that they don't know the Challenges well enough.

It's all subjective. We all value things differently. Some may prefer CT's brute strength over Landon's endurance and vice versa.

CT would have won the Inferno 2 if his team was the Good Guys team. Landon would have won the Duel 2 if his shoulder wasn't separated, and instead of Brad his opponent was Casey. CT would have won the Gauntlet 3 if the producers thought it was time for Brad, Paula, and Robyn to win their first challenge. Johnny would have won his Gulag if the point was to reach the barrel the fastest. Derrick would have won the Duel if the winner was based on who could be bitter about something for the next six years. Wes and Kenny would have won Rivals if the length of the head starts where decided by soccer kicks. Real World would have won the Gauntlet if they had Peter Parker instead of Coral on their team. Seriously these so and so only lost because of so so arguments are so moot, these challenges play out the way they do for a reason. CT didn't lose the Inferno 2 just because of scenario x, and even if he did what's the point of using that reasoning? Take Tina and Tonya off the bad ***** and put Robyn and Shavonda back, cool now we'd just be making the argument the only reason Landon lost was because of Shavonda and Robyn. I just don't see the point honestly.

[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;280153]CT is a tremedous competitor, and whether or not he's better than everyone else is really undeterminable. In my opinion, Landon is the best, then to CT, Alton, Darrell, and Mark. But I think it's ridiculous to say that because somebody doesn't think that CT is the best, means that they don't know the Challenges well enough.[/QUOTE] Very well said! I agree with most of this, although I usually say top 2 Landon and C.T. without saying who number 1 is, that's how close they are IMO.

[QUOTE=DomDom7;280168]Very well said! I agree with most of this, although I usually say top 2 Landon and C.T. without saying who number 1 is, that's how close they are IMO.[/QUOTE] I rewatch challenges on a regular basis, and every week or so, I change my mind on who the best is. So I wouldn't doubt that by next week I will have rewatched like 3 more seasons and be convinced that somebody else is the best. When I finished watching The Gauntlet 2 I was positive that Alton was the best... because I'm pretty sure he literally flew to the top of the cargo nets in the "Capture the Flag" Gauntlet.

[QUOTE=Superboy;279990]That's because you don't know competitors. [/QUOTE] But I do... [QUOTE=V1man;280013]Of course, you've taken Beth's statement completely out of context -- and it was said in a promotional show by an actress who is great at memorizing scripts and cashing the checks for it. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=V1man;280023] As for Beth, she will speak for herself. When she calls me back, I'll post her reply, assuming she stops laughing long enough to offer a reply. [/QUOTE] And she said, "What? That was like a decade ago. Whatever I said doesn't mean much (especially out of context)." Nothing said on a reality show should ever be cited as "evidence" of anything. Who could possibly care about that?" (She was mildly amused by the attempt to rank anyone from the challenges.)

If you could choose to be in any elimination round (Gauntlet, Inferno, Exile, Duel, etc.) what would you choose? What do you feel you would personally perform the best at? For me, I'd be most confident competing in any of the following: Beach Brawl (Gauntlet 2) Pole Wrestle (Duel) Sliders (Gauntlet 3) Back Off (Duel 2) Handcuffs (Cutthroat) Rag Doll (Ruins) Muay Thai (Ruins)

[QUOTE=Challenge_Fan;280243]If you could choose to be in any elimination round (Gauntlet, Inferno, Exile, Duel, etc.) what would you choose? What do you feel you would personally perform the best at? For me, I'd be most confident competing in any of the following: Beach Brawl (Gauntlet 2) Pole Wrestle (Duel) Back Off (Duel 2) Handcuffs (Cutthroat) Rag Doll (Ruins) Muay Thai (Ruins)[/QUOTE] Ascender (Duel) Sliders (Gauntlet 3) Balls In (Inferno 2) Knock Your Block Off (Gauntlet) Oh Ring (Ruins) I just wouldn't feel very confident at any size going into physical challenges against players like CT, Abram, Miz.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;83067]Which challenge intro was your Favorite?[/QUOTE] The Ruins because the champions all wore Muay Thai outfits, and I love Muay Thai. Honorable Mention: The Island because of Shinedown playing the intro music.

Jersey Shore is basically a Real World so they should let them join in to bring in ratings and show people what real athleticism is all about. Theyre no joke, they gym all the time. I know Id be scared if they showed up.

[QUOTE=kyled13;280261]Jersey Shore is basically a Real World so they should let them join in to bring in ratings and show people what real athleticism is all about. Theyre no joke, they gym all the time. I know Id be scared if they showed up.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be able to take them seriously if they were in a challenge. I would love to watch CT destroy Ronnie in something like Push Me.

[QUOTE=ballinbroken;280262]I wouldn't be able to take them seriously if they were in a challenge. I would love to watch CT destroy Ronnie in something like Push Me.[/QUOTE] They would lose so bad. Probably 0 strategic skills and they don't seem too athletic.

[QUOTE=kyled13;280261]Jersey Shore is basically a Real World so they should let them join in to bring in ratings and show people what real athleticism is all about. Theyre no joke, they gym all the time. I know Id be scared if they showed up.[/QUOTE] Muscle is not athleticism. You can toss any idiot in the gym (or give him a syringe) for an extended period of time. Will he get big? Yeah...but that doesn't mean he'll be athletic. I'd take even the lower level challenge competitors in almost any head to head competition over all four of the Jersey Shore kids any day of the week. I would, however, pay to see Laurel or Evelyn do some kind of Pole Wrestle or Handcuff type game with Snooki.