[QUOTE=deeper;415601[B]]I'm not crying about it, I'm just saying, it makes for a more interesting show seeing people actually CHALLENGE the vets. They may have earned their stripes, but now that they have them, you don't want to see them use them? I mean, has anybody been impressed with CT's performance this challenge? I sure haven't.[/B]
If I won a challenge and say Zach, Bananas, and Leroy were in the draw, I'd put CT in for sure. And if he came back I'd be **** scared, but regardless I'm gonna have to face one of them in an elimination or the final, so why not just go for it? Would it really do me any good throwing in Preston?
That's all I'm saying about Theresa's attempt to get Laurel out. Too bad Jasmine pulled the card, but good try.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It really makes for a better show when people actually gun for the vets and not just let them walk to the final challenge untouched. Even if you fail at the end it's still lets them know that you aren't afraid of them and they will be challenged.
[QUOTE=JayTee;413315]Thats the point that I was trying to make. Guys like Leroy and Zach cater up to the veterans thus "giving them a free ride" because that keeps them safe. It shouldn't be nucleur-science to understand why people flock to the vets and help them out. It's a safe game to play. So the people that are complaining about the vets getting a "free ride" should blame it on the other players, not the veterans. It's not Bananas's fault that it's so easy to play these people like puppets.[/QUOTE]
It may be a safe game to play but is that going to help them win at the end? **** is it even going to GET them to the end? That's something they need to think about.
Theresa's move is such a mixed bag for me. Like, the idea is great, but the execution is poor. However, her logic for her execution in the moment makes sense to me. "I don't have any blood on my hands", but she didn't think longterm. So, in the end I decided that yeah it was a stupid move. Not the "let's vote in Laurel" part, but the "not saying Laurel's name" part.
It looked like they beasted it last night. Even though they didn't get the puzzle and Laurel was with Leroy, Theresa still showed decent endurance and that she could probably hang in a final. She looked as if she were leading Zach instead of trailing him for the most part(she was only following him fresh off of her dig, round #1) and by the time they got to the puzzle, their lead looked huge, as if the second place team(Bananas/Nany) was only around half way through the lake. She should practice those tanagrams.
Theresa has proved she has endurance and would beast in a final. I didn't realize she had that much endurance. I guess when she calls herself Speedy Gonzalez it is pretty accurate.
Theresa looked great during that challenge, which is important because it was an endurance mission right before the final. After seeing this performance, why the heck didn't Nany throw her into the elimination? If she stuck with Theresa as her pick for elimination, Bananas would have no choice but to throw Theresa in too. Theresa showed that she has great endurance and it would only make sense to get rid of this threat before the final.
Cara has a broken hand which it doesn't seem like it would impact her running ability in a final that much but I think that it absolutely does. Missions like this are usually pieces of the final and Cara couldn't handle the digging because of her hand. If she had to carry something, she would have floundered in the final, opposed to Theresa who can use both of her hands. Nany's decision looked like it was only to appease Bananas instead of doing the smart thing for the long run.
I think Nany just had more to lose if they split the votes again. If Bananas had to go in he would've had to go against either Reilly (who he should smoke) or Leroy (which would be a toss up), whereas Nany could've pulled Laurel who would've annihilated her in any game. Especially now considering the one game Nany would've probably had the best chance in (Balls In) is off the board.
She also probably under estimated Johnny's desire for self-preservation. He would've absolutely said Theresa's name if Nany had said it.
I hated how Cara Maria got all defensive towards Theresa in the deliberation. Just because you got your hand fractured doesn't mean she is going to throw herself in, and is not like she told Nany to throw Cara Maria. If she has to be mad at anyone is at Bananas. I feel bad for Cara and I feel like she deserves to be there, but you shouldn't be mad at her.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;420563]I hated how Cara Maria got all defensive towards Theresa in the deliberation. Just because you got your hand fractured doesn't mean she is going to throw herself in, and is not like she told Nany to throw Cara Maria. If she has to be mad at anyone is at Bananas. I feel bad for Cara and I feel like she deserves to be there, but you shouldn't be mad at her.[/QUOTE]
Yep emotions got the better of her there. Even if Theresa was campaigning against her, which I don't really think she was, she's playing the game and wants to make it to the final. Isn't that the whole point? Theresa would be stupid to throw herself in.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;420696]Yep emotions got the better of her there. Even if Theresa was campaigning against her, which I don't really think she was, she's playing the game and wants to make it to the final. Isn't that the whole point? Theresa would be stupid to throw herself in.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I think she deserves to be in the final more than anyone there, but it's still a game with a lot of money on the line.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;420696]Yep emotions got the better of her there. Even if Theresa was campaigning against her, which I don't really think she was, she's playing the game and wants to make it to the final. Isn't that the whole point? Theresa would be stupid to throw herself in.[/QUOTE]
Cara wasn't mad that Theresa didn't volunteer herself. She was angry because she thought Theresa was being two-faced. Earlier Theresa was crying about Cara possibly going home and told her she deserved to be in the final. Then later Cara saw her getting all chatty with Nany after she won the mission and interpreted that as Theresa trying to sway the votes against Cara despite saying earlier that Cara deserved to stay. If that is in fact what Theresa was doing (and I'm not sure it was) then I agree with Cara. It's very shady to act supportive of someone one minute and then in the next actively try to get that person into the elimination by getting friendly with the winner the night before they cast their final vote. In Theresa's case, it's exceptionally annoying when she pulls those kind of moves because she's always ready to cry foul whenever people give her a taste of her own medicine.
[QUOTE=SourWolf;420795]Cara wasn't mad that Theresa didn't volunteer herself. She was angry because she thought Theresa was being two-faced. Earlier Theresa was crying about Cara possibly going home and told her she deserved to be in the final. Then later Cara saw her getting all chatty with Nany after she won the mission and interpreted that as Theresa trying to sway the votes against Cara despite saying earlier that Cara deserved to stay. If that is in fact what Theresa was doing (and I'm not sure it was) then I agree with Cara. It's very shady to act supportive of someone one minute and then in the next actively try to get that person into the elimination by getting friendly with the winner the night before they cast their final vote. In Theresa's case, it's exceptionally annoying when she pulls those kind of moves because she's always ready to cry foul whenever people give her a taste of her own medicine.[/QUOTE]
The choice was between Theresa and Cara Maria. What is Theresa supposed to do, give up her spot to Cara Maria? Not talk to Nany at all (despite Nany being her friend)? I honestly don't even think Theresa was trying to get Cara Maria thrown in or doing it to get on Nany's "good side" and not get sent in either. It seemed like she was just being friendly and having fun and enjoying conversation with her friend.
[QUOTE=SourWolf;420795]Cara wasn't mad that Theresa didn't volunteer herself. She was angry because she thought Theresa was being two-faced. Earlier Theresa was crying about Cara possibly going home and told her she deserved to be in the final. Then later Cara saw her getting all chatty with Nany after she won the mission and interpreted that as Theresa trying to sway the votes against Cara despite saying earlier that Cara deserved to stay. If that is in fact what Theresa was doing (and I'm not sure it was) then I agree with Cara. It's very shady to act supportive of someone one minute and then in the next actively try to get that person into the elimination by getting friendly with the winner the night before they cast their final vote. In Theresa's case, it's exceptionally annoying when she pulls those kind of moves because she's always ready to cry foul whenever people give her a taste of her own medicine.[/QUOTE]
Even if she was campaigning, I don't think Cara should get mad at all. It is not hypocritical, cause I believed Theresa actually meant it when she told Cara she deserves to be there, but she didn't know how things would turn out. It was either her or Cara to be voted in, and to be honest, I would have campaign against Cara to be voted in. She ignored her injury, so should everyone else. It's a game, its not hypocritical, its self-perserving. If there more options for Nany and Backpacks to vote from, then it would be shady for Theresa to campaign against Cara, but it was either herself or Cara.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;420797]The choice was between Theresa and Cara Maria. What is Theresa supposed to do, give up her spot to Cara Maria? Not talk to Nany at all (despite Nany being her friend)? I honestly don't even think Theresa was trying to get Cara Maria thrown in or doing it to get on Nany's "good side" and not get sent in either. It seemed like she was just being friendly and having fun and enjoying conversation with her friend.[/QUOTE]
No, she shouldn't have. Nobody is saying Theresa should have volunteered, not even Cara suggested that. The issue is with the idea that Theresa might have been actively campaigning against Cara after crying big crocodile tears about how Cara didn't deserve to get injured and should be in the final.
I agree that it seemed like Theresa was just being friendly with Nany without any ulterior motive. I'm not saying I think Cara's assumption was correct. I'm only agreeing with Cara in the aspect that if her assumption about Theresa was correct then she had a reason to be mad. It's a shady move to tell someone you want them to stay and then the next day attempt to buddy up with the person who won the latest mission so you can throw the other player under the bus. Again, I'm not staying I think that is what Theresa was doing because supposedly she and Nany were already friends, but I understand why Cara got upset at the idea that that may have been what Theresa was doing.
[QUOTE=SourWolf;420803]No, she shouldn't have. Nobody is saying Theresa should have volunteered, not even Cara suggested that. The issue is with the idea that Theresa might have been actively campaigning against Cara after crying big crocodile tears about how Cara didn't deserve to get injured and should be in the final.
I agree that it seemed like Theresa was just being friendly with Nany without any ulterior motive. I'm not saying I think Cara's assumption was correct. I'm only agreeing with Cara in the aspect that if her assumption about Theresa was correct then she had a reason to be mad. It's a shady move to tell someone you want them to stay and then the next day attempt to buddy up with the person who won the latest mission so you can throw the other player under the bus. Again, I'm not staying I think that is what Theresa was doing because supposedly she and Nany were already friends, but I understand why Cara got upset at the idea that that may have been what Theresa was doing.[/QUOTE]
To an extent I definitely agree with you, but I think richjoe92 hit it right on the head. The only options were for Cara Maria and Theresa. [i]If[/i] Theresa were to campaign or buddy up to Nany, I'm sure it would have been out of self preservation. She probably didn't [i]want[/i] Cara Maria to go in, but if it's a choice between her or Cara Maria... duh, she's going to want to be safe. I don't think Cara Maria should have gotten upset over that. Now, if there were other people to choose from, and for some reason Theresa was campaigning for Cara Maria to go in, then that would be a legitimate reason for CM to get upset. But, since it was just her and Theresa... I'm not really sure how CM thought Theresa was being fake to her.
Even if that was Theresa's reason for acting that way towards Nany, it clearly didn't work since Nany ended up choosing Theresa anyways. She only changed her vote out of fear for going in herself after TJ threatened her.
Does anyone know whether or not Cara Maria's accusations were correct? If they were not, I do wonder if Cara Maria apologized to Theresa. I think Theresa deserves one if she were wrongly accused.
Cara was being pathetic. She acted like because she had a broken hand everyone was just going to be like oh you can just go to the finals but no that was not the case. People were still playing the game and they don't care about oh "poor caramaria".. It is free agents. Theresa did nothing to Cara.
And I am also sick of the Boston alliance kissing her ***. I may be the only one to say this but it is just annoying at this point.
If Theresa campaigned against cara they would have shown it, since they did not it is clear that she didn't campaign against cara. Mtv loves screwing people over when someone says one thing and the camara shows another.
I hope cara apologized, if not she's a big hypocrit.
[QUOTE=SourWolf;420803]No, she shouldn't have. Nobody is saying Theresa should have volunteered, not even Cara suggested that. The issue is with the idea that Theresa might have been actively campaigning against Cara after crying big crocodile tears about how Cara didn't deserve to get injured and should be in the final.
I agree that it seemed like Theresa was just being friendly with Nany without any ulterior motive. I'm not saying I think Cara's assumption was correct. I'm only agreeing with Cara in the aspect that if her assumption about Theresa was correct then she had a reason to be mad. It's a shady move to tell someone you want them to stay and then the next day attempt to buddy up with the person who won the latest mission so you can throw the other player under the bus. Again, I'm not staying I think that is what Theresa was doing because supposedly she and Nany were already friends, but I understand why Cara got upset at the idea that that may have been what Theresa was doing.[/QUOTE]
I think Cara blatantly crying at deliberation was much worse than Theresa supposedly campaigning for votes. Cara was definitely looking to get sympathy from the winners there, and it worked for a second.
[QUOTE=v123;420812]Even if that was Theresa's reason for acting that way towards Nany, it clearly didn't work since Nany ended up choosing Theresa anyways. She only changed her vote out of fear for going in herself after TJ threatened her.
Does anyone know whether or not Cara Maria's accusations were correct? If they were not, I do wonder if Cara Maria apologized to Theresa. I think Theresa deserves one if she were wrongly accused.[/QUOTE]
Nany also wanted Cara before when she was talking to johnny but was like, "i feel bad voting in cara"
So Cara Maria can bring herself to tears on cue is what I'm gathering here
While it is in Theresa's right to have a good time with her friends (Nany) and drum up conversations, I can see how it looks bad on her end considering that earlier in the day she was all Team Cara and sympathetic.
And sure I guess you have to do whatever it takes to save yourself, you don't always have to take that route. CT was faced with the same predicament and chose not to throw Zack under the bus or be buddy buddy with his friend Bananas.
And again our luxury as viewers to know exactly how those conversations played out gives us added insight. But the players within the game don't have the same luxury. So they are left to draw their own conclusions as to what is being discussed around them. This fact was made abundantly clear by Laurel, Johnny & Zacks convo, because they were sure CT was trying to save his self and play the friend card.
[QUOTE=Cashfl0w;421149]So Cara Maria can bring herself to tears on cue is what I'm gathering here
While it is in Theresa's right to have a good time with her friends (Nany) and drum up conversations, I can see how it looks bad on her end considering that earlier in the day she was all Team Cara and sympathetic.
And sure I guess you have to do whatever it takes to save yourself, you don't always have to take that route. CT was faced with the same predicament and chose not to throw Zack under the bus or be buddy buddy with his friend Bananas.
And again our luxury as viewers to know exactly how those conversations played out gives us added insight. But the players within the game don't have the same luxury. So they are left to draw their own conclusions as to what is being discussed around them. This fact was made abundantly clear by Laurel, Johnny & Zacks convo, because they were sure CT was trying to save his self and play the friend card.[/QUOTE]
What is Theresa supposed to do, ignore Nany so Cara Maria won't feel betrayed. I agree with you, we as viewers don't know the whole story, but after all this is a game.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;420818]Cara was being pathetic. She acted like because she had a broken hand everyone was just going to be like oh you can just go to the finals but no that was not the case. People were still playing the game and they don't care about oh "poor caramaria".. It is free agents. Theresa did nothing to Cara.
And I am also sick of the Boston alliance kissing her ***. I may be the only one to say this but it is just annoying at this point.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree. It seems like Cara wanted people to feel sorry for her and not vote her in..to get a pass because she was hurt. But that's not how it works and she shouldn't have expected that because she decided to stay in the game despite her injury so people should have the right to vote her into elimination despite her injury.
As much as I hate Johnny he hit the nail right on the head. If she wants to ignore her injury then why should he(or anyone else) Acknowledge it?
I don't think Theresa was campaigning. I think she was just having a good time with her friends.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;420818]
And I am also sick of the Boston alliance kissing her ***. I may be the only one to say this but it is just annoying at this point.[/QUOTE]
Kissing her *** ?
I'd call it being supportive.
I think it's really telling of Cara Maria's personality that she is so Team Theresa when Theresa is crying and supporting Cara ("I have a newfound love for you Theresa!"), but as soon as Theresa allegedly turns her back on Cara by **GASP** laughing with her friend Nany, Cara flips the switch and decides she's this "snake in the grass". Apparently, you either have to be Team Cara Maria or you're basically dead to her.
It's a tough one, I've been a CT Fan since the Inferno days whereas Leroy since Vegas, I like Leroy a little more as far as the way he plays socially but I like CT far more in the competitive sence, so I am going to have to go with CT as he is my favourite all time who still competes in the challenges.
[QUOTE=mph922;421310]I think it's really telling of Cara Maria's personality that she is so Team Theresa when Theresa is crying and supporting Cara ("I have a newfound love for you Theresa!"), but as soon as Theresa allegedly turns her back on Cara by **GASP** laughing with her friend Nany, Cara flips the switch and decides she's this "snake in the grass". Apparently, you either have to be Team Cara Maria or you're basically dead to her.[/QUOTE]
Editing is a ******.
For all we know that "snake in the grass" comment could have been from when Theresa threw in Jaz instead of Laurel like she planned.
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