[QUOTE=challengeama;389582]True true. But Sam wouldn't have won the eliminations Naomi competed in?[/QUOTE]
If she was paired with Zach in "banded together". No but with Frank? Yes. She looks heavier than Naomi. And she's tougher, has more fight in her and would've put up a better fight against Mandi. Still probably would've loss but would've done a little better I think.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389581]His 4 wins are a direct correlation to him as a competitor. You think getting 4 wins on a challenge is easy or just one big scratch off lottery ticket? He had to work for that. Whether it's politically, physically, strategically, or whatever, he didn't just pull the winning ticket from TJ at the beginning of every show and hop on a plane to the finish line.[/QUOTE]
Exactly...People seem to pinpoint every little thing about Johnny's wins and make up excuses for as why he won but they never seem to point out anything about other people's wins. If you hate the guy, that is fine but you can't take away from his wins.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389581]His 4 wins are a direct correlation to him as a competitor. You think getting 4 wins on a challenge is easy or just one big scratch off lottery ticket? He had to work for that. Whether it's politically, physically, strategically, or whatever, he didn't just pull the winning ticket from TJ at the beginning of every show and hop on a plane to the finish line. Luck does play a part in winning any reality competition show, even great ones like Darrell, Landon, Rachel, Evelyn, anyone who's won multiple times, has gotten lucky but also has played a great game.[/QUOTE]
When did I say he didn't work for it politically? You're grouping physically/socially together for whatever reason when the post specified "to show Johnny is a good competitor". Difference being that those are consistently great competitors. Just LOL @ you even trying to lump those together with Johnny.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;389588]I'd love to him and Jenn back.[/QUOTE]
Jillian too. She's an okay competitor and I'm upset neither one of them have been on a challenge since then
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;389590]When did I say he didn't work for it politically? You're grouping physically/socially together for whatever reason when the post specified "to show Johnny is a good competitor". Difference being that those are consistently great competitors. Just LOL @ you even trying to lump those together with Johnny.[/QUOTE]
Competitor is all those things combined imo. And LOL @ you misreading my post... "even great ones like.." usually means people who are better but still fall under the same boat. Everyone has caught a lucky break winning challenges. And only Darrell and Landon (out of those I named) were consistently great competitors. Johnny has been consistent as of late. He started rough.
It'll be funny if the most recent rumors are true just to see the excuses people make for why CT doesn't win and for why Johnny does. I kind of hope Johnny R. takes it though.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389592]Competitor is all those things combined imo. And LOL @ you misreading my post... "even great ones like.." usually means people who are better but still fall under the same boat. Everyone has caught a lucky break winning challenges. And only Darrell and Landon (out of those I named) were consistently great competitors. Johnny has been consistent as of late. He started rough.[/QUOTE]
How someone is liked and how they are able to persuade people doesn't have anything to do with someone as a competitor. Yes, let's just look at Rivals 2 where two rookies outperformed him.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389593]It'll be funny if the most recent rumors are true just to see the excuses people make for why CT doesn't win and for why Johnny does. I kind of hope Johnny R. takes it though.[/QUOTE]
If the rumors of Zach taking CT out are true, then excuses are necessary. Especially if that pick a stick/straw and you go into an elimination round bs is true.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389593]It'll be funny if the most recent rumors are true just to see the excuses people make for why CT doesn't win and for why Johnny does. I kind of hope Johnny R. takes it though.[/QUOTE]
You're going to have a hard time then.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;389548]I think you'd be disappointed. I doubt guys would call out Johnny B. before Jordan, Dustin, Brandon, Chet, and whoever else... and if they did, he's better than 90% of this cast at every type of elimination game(endurance, mental, physical,) they could think of imo.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean a thing, people called out Evan and Landon over Dunbar and Issac. Some people make poor choices and don't choose a easier win like Paula picking Aneesa instead of Brit or Casey.
I hate it when people say that someone didn't deserved the win because they never went to an elimination. As much as I hate to say it, Johnny has played a great political game and can actually hold his own competitive wise. IMO the only winners who didn't deserved to win were the rookies on Gauntlet 3.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;389605]I hate it when people say that someone didn't deserved the win because they never went to an elimination. As much as I hate to say it, Johnny has played a great political game and can actually hold his own competitive wise. IMO the only winners who didn't deserved to win were the rookies on Gauntlet 3.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how no one complained about how CT and Wes didn't deserve a win for not being in an elimination on Rivals II. It's called being objective, people. I know the majority of people are CT homers/*** kissers, but it's really not that hard. And if CT and Diem won Exes, I doubt anyone would have complained since they weren't in an elimination either.
[QUOTE=TexasFight88;389606]It's funny how no one complained about how CT and Wes didn't deserve a win for not being in an elimination on Rivals II. It's called being objective, people. I know the majority of people are CT homers/*** kissers, but it's really not that hard. And if CT and Diem won Exes, I doubt anyone would have complained since they weren't in an elimination either.[/QUOTE]
To me it all depends on the format. If Johnny won a lot of the missions in the 2nd half of the show i have no problem with it. Usually the first half of the challenge the less known people and non vets go in so he wouldn't typically be sent in till the 2nd half of the season. But CT/Wes pretty much dominated the 2nd half of rivals 2 so i don't see how their would be a complaint they didn't have to go in. It depends if it's voting for this new show or if it's random drawing. If it's random drawing and every single person but johnny gets picked, that is pretty lucky. But that may not be the case way to early to tell or call him lucky. It's not even 100 percent he won
[QUOTE=jojorules;389607]To me it all depends on the format. If Johnny won a lot of the missions in the 2nd half of the show i have no problem with it. Usually the first half of the challenge the less known people and non vets go in so he wouldn't typically be sent in till the 2nd half of the season. But CT/Wes pretty much dominated the 2nd half of rivals 2 so i don't see how their would be a complaint they didn't have to go in. It depends if it's voting for this new show or if it's random drawing. If it's random drawing and every single person but johnny gets picked, that is pretty lucky. But that may not be the case way to early to tell or call him lucky. It's not even 100 percent he won[/QUOTE]
Johnny and Frank won 1 mission in the second half and CT and Wes won 2...unless you count Frog Smash which they were allowed to win so there was no "dominance". Granted, CT and Wes wound up being the better team but it was nowhere near a Kenny/Laurel on FM2 or Paul/Ev on Rivals situation.
People will do anything they can to poke holes in Johnny's wins. It's pretty laughable at this point.
[QUOTE=JL81790;389610]Johnny and Frank won 1 mission in the second half and CT and Wes won 2...unless you count Frog Smash which they were allowed to win so there was no "dominance". Granted, CT and Wes wound up being the better team but it was nowhere near a Kenny/Laurel on FM2 or Paul/Ev on Rivals situation.
People will do anything they can to poke holes in Johnny's wins. It's pretty laughable at this point.[/QUOTE]
In my entire post i never poked a hole in his win if he won because it hasnt played out yet.. Ct wes i included the final both parts they dominated that as well as their two wins so their win was much earned as you agreed..
regardless someone will hate on johnny no matter how he wins theres no avoiding it.. I like johnny most of the time
People not going into elimination rounds never equaled not deserving it, especially when Johnny's gone in every season that he won. I agree with Johnny being a #1 Challenge player if he does win.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;389613]Johnny is arguably the best challenge player of all time. If he wins this challenge, he should be number 1[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I think "athlete" and "player" get confused. I have a higher regard for Johnny's athleticism than most do, but he is definitely not the best athlete on the show. But in terms of well-roundedness and playing a complete game, pulling out win number 5 would make it not even a debate in my mind who the best overall player is.
To be honest , if the rumors I have heard of him winning are true.
I give him props because this time around , going to to this challenge house he didn't have many "friends" "Allies".
He still managed to play a good political game to take the W.
[QUOTE=JL81790;389615]Absolutely. I think "athlete" and "player" get confused. I have a higher regard for Johnny's athleticism than most do, but he is definitely not the best athlete on the show. But in terms of well-roundedness and playing a complete game, pulling out win number 5 would make it not even a debate in my mind who the best overall player is.[/QUOTE]
Let's be real though. The best overall player got humilited in the most brutal way ever in the show's history. No matter what Johnny does, people will always use this as an excuse to disregard his wins.
I dont understand though about Johnny going into this challenge without having his allies. Ct, Zach, Johnny R, Leroy, Laurel, Camilla, Theresa and Nany were all his allies throughout the entire game.
I just think we have to wait some time, because there's still a lot of rumors going around and no clear evidence last the last couple of times. Remember last year we though that Frank and Johnny won, because of the infamous picture.
frfr, even if johnny didnt have many friends/allies, people are scared AKA(GIRLS) to call him out.
Like paula, i hate the way she plays the game cause she is scared af!
[QUOTE=boncat23;389619]frfr, even if johnny didnt have many friends/allies, people are scared AKA(GIRLS) to call him out.
Like paula, i hate the way she plays the game cause she is scared af![/QUOTE]
Paula and Johnny have been friends for years so I wouldn't say she was scared to call him out... She didn't want to call out a friend. Besides if she has worked with him before and they've made it to the end then why not keep doing it.
Paula is friends with Johnny but knows at anytime he could turn on her if he gets a better offer like on the island. So that's one of the reasons she plays scared
[QUOTE=GDInstall;389618]Let's be real though. The best overall player got humilited in the most brutal way ever in the show's history. No matter what Johnny does, people will always use this as an excuse to disregard his wins.
I dont understand though about Johnny going into this challenge without having his allies. Ct, Zach, Johnny R, Leroy, Laurel, Camilla, Theresa and Nany were all his allies throughout the entire game.
I just think we have to wait some time, because there's still a lot of rumors going around and no clear evidence last the last couple of times. Remember last year we though that Frank and Johnny won, because of the infamous picture.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Johnny could win 10 challenges but people will never forget the johnny bananas backpack.
Im interested to see how zach became one of his allies, zach was all talk last season saying that he wanted johnny out, so I wonder how the game worked this time around.
[QUOTE=stuufman;389624]Yeah Johnny could win 10 challenges but people will never forget the johnny bananas backpack.
Im interested to see how zach became one of his allies, zach was all talk last season saying that he wanted johnny out, so I wonder how the game worked this time around.[/QUOTE]
People tend to believe though that Johnny is the devil himself while doing at challege and outside of it. His best friends outside the show are Leroy, Diem and CT aside from EK and all three said in many interviews that Johnny is one of the most funniest guy in the house. It has to mean something if they all say that. Maybe producton don't want to show that just like the "real" Wes.
Both Zach and Johnny know that if they work together they'll win more Money than going at eachother and this is all about.
[QUOTE=GDInstall;389628]People tend to believe though that Johnny is the devil himself while doing at challege and outside of it. His best friends outside the show are Leroy, Diem and CT aside from EK and all three said in many interviews that Johnny is one of the most funniest guy in the house. It has to mean something if they all say that. Maybe producton don't want to show that just like the "real" Wes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I also do not think it would be too much of a stretch to say a guy or two who usually wouldn't work with Johnny will end up doing so because Johnny has a reputation of making it to the end. As far as Wes goes, he has been asked about the role he has played on the shows and he has no problem with how he is depicted. Wes is close to a lot of members of production and is grateful for the opportunities he has been given and therefore throws them a few quotes each season the best example being Rivals I.
Idc how many challenges Johnny wins, he isn't the best. Take Landon for instance, he has done less challenges than Johnny has won, if he had done 10 challenges he would probably have 8 or 9 wins. Same goes for The Miz, or Jamie from NOLA, or Darrell. Johnny being 5 for 10 is equivalent to someone being 1 for 2 IMO.
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