[QUOTE=mph922;383329]I also think it'd be awesome and hilarious if Johnny R pulled off the win. (assuming this is individual)[/QUOTE]
I actually think this would be hysterical, especially if Jasmine took out Nia.
[QUOTE=PinkRose;383311]Why people are assuming those are the final 4? Last elimination happens tomorrow according to people here...[/QUOTE]
A large part of it is because nobody knows what 2 other girls made top 6. Everyone has their guesses and what they want to believe but nothing has been confirmed on what 2 of Latoya, Jessica or Jonna made top 6.
[QUOTE=mph922;383329]Weirdly of this final, I want Theresa to win.
I also think it'd be awesome and hilarious if Johnny R pulled off the win.
(assuming this is individual)[/QUOTE]
I want Johnny R to win for the guys too.
Hopefully we see the better side of Johnny this season. He was a pretty cool guy when he wasn't being a ****** to the girls. Still, I can't see him even getting close to beating CT, Zach, and Leroy.
[QUOTE=Lola88;383331]A large part of it is because nobody knows what 2 other girls made top 6. Everyone has their guesses and what they want to believe but nothing has been confirmed on what 2 of Latoya, Jessica or Jonna made top 6.[/QUOTE]
Don't bet on 2 of those 3 in the final 6.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;383334]Hopefully we see the better side of Johnny this season. He was a pretty cool guy when he wasn't being a ****** to the girls. Still, I can't see him even getting close to beating CT, Zach, and Leroy.[/QUOTE]
I thought he was going to be like a "Leroy" when the season first started.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;383334]Hopefully we see the better side of Johnny this season. He was a pretty cool guy when he wasn't being a ****** to the girls. Still, I can't see him even getting close to beating CT, Zach, and Leroy.[/QUOTE]
Because Leroy has proven to be a top dog? He's just a big meat head... The only obvious thing working against Johnny R. is that he'll be the only one who hasn't experienced a final. That could be a disadvantage but we haven't seen him yet so I'm hoping he'll surprise.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;383335]Don't bet on 2 of those 3 in the final 6.[/QUOTE]
Jessica and Latoya? I never know if something is a cyptic hint or an opinion on this site.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;383353][B]Because Leroy has proven to be a top dog? [/B]He's just a big meat head... The only obvious thing working against Johnny R. is that he'll be the only one who hasn't experienced a final. That could be a disadvantage but we haven't seen him yet so I'm hoping he'll surprise.[/QUOTE]
And Zach has?
[QUOTE=TheCloser;383361]If Zach is a top dog than Leroy is a top dog IMO[/QUOTE]
I am reserving my judgement on zach overall till after this challenge becuase to me it means a lot for how he will be remembered. On seasons, he was the biggest guy there, but i felt frank was the leader of the team, took the lead in most of the challenges, and did better on the final. On rivals 2, the big dog vets were back and he left early even though they did well at the start. So if he beats a final of CT/leroy/bananas or even 2 of those 3, that will boost him imo. If he loses, he will still be a middle guy to me whether he won the first challenge he was on or not.
Other than beating wes head to head, when wes wasn't in his peak conditioning, Leroy really hasn't proven he is a top guy. He may have the potential to be though which is a great thing, but at some point he has to deliver.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;383296]Theresa's not gonna win
She couldn't even handle the FM2 exile[/QUOTE]
On the contrary, Theresa did much better than her partner Ryan, who was the one that had to constantly stop for breaks. Where are you getting that she didn't "handle" that exile? I don't know how well Theresa will do in this upcoming final but she actually did well in both that exile and the mission before. She was the one responsible for moving most of the logs. That exile was more of a negative reflection on Ryan than Theresa.
[QUOTE=JohnPhoenix;383292]I disagree with you there. I don't see how a girl that can't even do a single pull-up can beat Cara Maria. If its a physical strength based elimination round, Cara Maria will crush Theresa. If its something that favors height than maybe Theresa could pull up a fight. But if is based on strength, upper body strength or even a puzzle, I will put my money on Cara Maria over Theresa any day.
But again, this is all opinion. Lets see what happens.[/QUOTE]
Cara can do a pull up but it didn't change the fact that she got smoked by Theresa in the ladder climbing challenge on Rivals 2. I don't think Theresa is better than Cara but she has shown that she is capable of doing something better than her.
Cara has had the benefit of having elite partners in the challenges. Theresa, not so much.
[QUOTE=jojorules;383362]I am reserving my judgement on zach overall till after this challenge becuase to me it means a lot for how he will be remembered. On seasons, he was the biggest guy there, but i felt frank was the leader of the team, took the lead in most of the challenges, and did better on the final. On rivals 2, the big dog vets were back and he left early even though they did well at the start. So if he beats a final of CT/leroy/bananas or even 2 of those 3, that will boost him imo. If he loses, he will still be a middle guy to me whether he won the first challenge he was on or not.
Other than beating wes head to head, when wes wasn't in his peak conditioning, Leroy really hasn't proven he is a top guy. He may have the potential to be though which is a great thing, but at some point he has to deliver.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I don't understand why TeamLandon is picking on Leroy when Zach hasn't done much either. That was my point.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;383361]If Zach is a top dog than Leroy is a top dog IMO[/QUOTE]
Leroy hasn't proven to be much competition for anyone in anything other than a bench pressing contest. People just assume because he has big muscles, he's some type of beast. Neither of them are really top dogs though. Leroy's has been less than impressive on every challenge he's been on. And Zach won against the weakest cast in challenge history.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;383366]I agree. I don't understand why TeamLandon is picking on Leroy when Zach hasn't done much either. That was my point.[/QUOTE]
Not picking on anyone. Just don't understand why people keep grouping Leroy with the likes of CT and Johnny as if he ever proven to be some type of competition for them. And like you said, Zach hasn't done "much" better... but he has done better. He's a better swimmer, he's physically stronger(you even admitted to that), and he seems to have more endurance. Leroy wanting to quit several times on Rivals 2 vs Zach in the BOTSeasons 2 final.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;383370]Leroy hasn't proven to be much competition for anyone in anything other than a bench pressing contest. People just assume because he has big muscles, he's some type of beast. Neither of them are really top dogs though. Leroy's has been less than impressive on every challenge he's been on. And Zach won against the weakest cast in challenge history.[/QUOTE]
Zach and Leroy are both at the top of the second tier for me along with Marlon, Jordan, Frank and Dustin. Zach has the potential to be a Top Dog if he turns out in this comp, but to me he's just not a natural athlete, he's just big. Things like balance, agility, and strategy don't seem to be his strong point. Leroy has the potential to do really well looking at his competition, but no one is really arguing that Leroy is the best prospect for winning.
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;383372][B]Not picking on anyone.[/B] Just don't understand why people keep grouping Leroy with the likes of CT and Johnny as if he ever proven to be some type of competition for them. And like you said, Zach hasn't done [B]"much" better[/B]... but he has done better. He's a better swimmer, he's physically stronger(you even admitted to that), and he seems to have more endurance. [B]Leroy wanting to quit several times on Rivals 2 vs Zach in the BOTSeasons 2 final.[/B][/QUOTE]
You single handedly (sp) said Leroy is not a top dog when someone grouped Zach, CT, and Leroy together. That indicated to me that you think Zach is a Top dog which I don't think he is if Leroy is not as well. If you think Leroy is a top dog than Zach should be considered too. Both have yet to fully spread their wings.
I said much either. You inserted better after much, which I did not say.
Zach is a huge fan of this show, so he watched rivals and exes final knowing how hard these things are so he probably trained for them. Leroy never watched the show and just came off his real world season, so he was bound to be terrible in the final. Zach had time to train for the challenge because he didn't come straight from san diego like Leroy did with Vegas.
Jordan changed his twitter bio from "Adventurist, realist, opportunist Real World: Portland ~ The Challenge: Rivals 2 *Bookings: [email]Jordanrw28@gmail.com[/email]" to "Raised on Rock&Roll, your word is all you've got, and to be a free spirit. Live Fast. RealWorld: Portland~TheChallenge: Rivals2 [email]Jordanrw28@gmail.com[/email]".
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;383325]We all have our preferences, but why no love for Cara, Laurel, Theresa? But LOL, if this final 3 is true, DA will have a stroke.[/QUOTE]
Well I hate how cara whines about having no friends. Theresa just annoys the crap out of me and I didn't mind Laurel until she talked about Paula's eating disorder
[QUOTE=TheCloser;383375]You single handedly (sp) said Leroy is not a top dog when someone grouped Zach, CT, and Leroy together. That indicated to me that you think Zach is a Top dog which I don't think he is if Leroy is not as well. If you think Leroy is a top dog than Zach should be considered too. Both have yet to fully spread their wings.
I said much either. You inserted better after much, which I did not say.
Zach is a huge fan of this show, so he watched rivals and exes final knowing how hard these things are so he probably trained for them. Leroy never watched the show and just came off his real world season, so he was bound to be terrible in the final. Zach had time to train for the challenge because he didn't come straight from san diego like Leroy did with Vegas.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention he's been on nothing but pair challenges with the likes of Mike, Naomi, and Ty. Read those names a few times. And think about that when you're being super critical of Leroy's performances.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;383338]The girls side is truly a mess...that's what happens with a weak cast.[/QUOTE]
This. Sarah, Emily, Cooke, Paula, Ashley K, and Evelyn should have been there if it's individual. I know they all turned it down, but DAMN!
[QUOTE=kvm1977;383335]Don't bet on 2 of those 3 in the final 6.[/QUOTE]
Based on those Facebook messages to latoya and Jessica?
I highly doubt Devyn made final 6, unless she hooked up with a guy and he carried her and she hasn't been into elimination yet. And we still have that Jonna sighting too. I know you're going based on what PinkRose believes, but it's still really uncertain for the girls. So unless Camila squeaks into that top 6, I still think 2 of Latoya, Jessica and Jonna made too 6.
[QUOTE=TheCloser;383375]You single handedly (sp) said Leroy is not a top dog when someone grouped Zach, CT, and Leroy together. That indicated to me that you think Zach is a Top dog which I don't think he is if Leroy is not as well. If you think Leroy is a top dog than Zach should be considered too. Both have yet to fully spread their wings.
I said much either. You inserted better after much, which I did not say.
Zach is a huge fan of this show, so he watched rivals and exes final knowing how hard these things are so he probably trained for them. Leroy never watched the show and just came off his real world season, so he was bound to be terrible in the final. Zach had time to train for the challenge because he didn't come straight from san diego like Leroy did with Vegas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TeamLandon;383372]Not picking on anyone. Just don't understand why people keep grouping Leroy with the likes of CT and Johnny as if he ever proven to be some type of competition for them. And like you said, Zach hasn't done "much" better... but he has done better. He's a better swimmer, he's physically stronger(you even admitted to that), and he seems to have more endurance. Leroy wanting to quit several times on Rivals 2 vs Zach in the BOTSeasons 2 final.[/QUOTE]
Actually, as you can see, you did say "better" but may think you said either. I don't remember Leroy wanting to quit on Rivals 2, but I do on the first Rivals final and he has admitted as much. One thing I can admire about Leroy is his honesty about his weaknesses. I don't feel that Zach would be as quick to admit his faults but that's just my opinion. I heard that Leroy is concentrating more on the endurance part of his workout now than strength so he does recognize his weak points and maybe we will see it's effect, hopefully. I miss the days of competitors stepping up and volunteering to go into an elimination, like on the Inferno. We haven't seen much, if any, of that in the last few challenges.
[QUOTE=Squad;383381]So for the guys it's just CT,Leroy,Zach,JR[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's a definitive answer whether Johnny Bananas or Zach is still there. We have the "like" of the tweet for Johnny B and then the picture of Zach that his girlfriend posted. Could be either one. The rumors have been "rampant" this season but we've had molds to keep us grounded before. Hopefully we will know more shortly by molds, if she even decides to post an elimination thread. Otherwise, we may hear more after the cast gets back.
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