Exes 2 was horrible. AYTO was introduced and the first 4 weeks or so was just getting rid of people that were useless followed by a twist that allowed John back in the game, the most sexist season ever (which says a lot), Zack treating Jonna like garbage, Wes running the entire game until John game back, etc. We won't even get into watching the end of Diem. The only saving moment was Sarah making a move Jordan wouldn't.
After rewatching Ruins-Seasons 2...Kenny and Evan weren't that bad. This opinion also only stands if the Tonya theory isn't true. Yeah they had fratboy humor that sometimes crossed the line but the women rarely seemed bothered by them more than in an "annoying brother" kind of way. They had close relationships with a lot of the females outside the show and Evan was always the first to comfort someone that was truly upset. They were actually really funny in confessionals and brought humor/pranks that the show needed. Ironically enough Johnny is the one that I feel was truly gross, sexist, and not that funny.
Evan was a demon as illustrated not only by the allegations made against him but also by him attempting to impede Wes from breaking up the Tonya/Veronica fight (can't argue with that one).
Was getting rid of the "themed seasons" the beginning of the downfall of the challenge?
Not that every season needed a theme but when you had themes like Exes or Rivals it forced casting to look for people who hooked up or caused drama on reality shows. With current seasons being unthemed it allows them to cast boring people.
themed seasons were trash. only the first versions of exes and rivals had real partnerships. Plus there was so many partner seasons it really got played out.
But rivals 2 & exes 2 were infinitely better than their first editions.
Completely disagree. Maybe the winners were better but Rivals 2 was very predictable and Exes 2 was not a great cast. Rivals was very good...people just don't like JEK. Exes would have been better if Diem wasn't stupid and made good decisions. Exes 2 is almost unwatchable JMO. Point is that's not a universal opinion. I would wager most would disagree outside thus site.
You typed this for??
Why wouldn't I have? Rivals >>>>>>> Rivals 2 and Exes > Exes 2
No I'm asking because did you think what u said was going to change my opinion.
After rewatching Ruins-Seasons 2...Kenny and Evan weren't that bad. This opinion also only stands if the Tonya theory isn't true. Yeah they had fratboy humor that sometimes crossed the line but the women rarely seemed bothered by them more than in an "annoying brother" kind of way. They had close relationships with a lot of the females outside the show and Evan was always the first to comfort someone that was truly upset. They were actually really funny in confessionals and brought humor/pranks that the show needed. Ironically enough Johnny is the one that I feel was truly gross, sexist, and not that funny.
sorry 100% disagree. Those constantly demeaned the women, especially in the confessionals. That's why I'm glad they left with nothing on Gauntlet 3.
Evan was a demon as illustrated not only by the allegations made against him but also by him attempting to impede Wes from breaking up the Tonya/Veronica fight (can't argue with that one).
Evan was the sneaky one of the JEK trio. And the smartest. The one most likely to snake you.
Evan was a demon as illustrated not only by the allegations made against him but also by him attempting to impede Wes from breaking up the Tonya/Veronica fight (can't argue with that one).
Evan was the sneaky one of the JEK trio. And the smartest. The one most likely to snake you.
After rewatching Ruins-Seasons 2...Kenny and Evan weren't that bad. This opinion also only stands if the Tonya theory isn't true. Yeah they had fratboy humor that sometimes crossed the line but the women rarely seemed bothered by them more than in an "annoying brother" kind of way. They had close relationships with a lot of the females outside the show and Evan was always the first to comfort someone that was truly upset. They were actually really funny in confessionals and brought humor/pranks that the show needed. Ironically enough Johnny is the one that I feel was truly gross, sexist, and not that funny.
sorry 100% disagree. Those constantly demeaned the women, especially in the confessionals. That's why I'm glad they left with nothing on Gauntlet 3.
On G3 they protected "their women" and Evelyn. Brad was just as bad as the rest. I'm glad they left with nothing because they kept Easy and target Coral instead of Casey or Robin.
Duel 2-Rivals Kenny and Evan really aren't that big of an issue. Those seasons are easy to rewatch (Ruins until Darrell goes home anyway).
The sexist attitude was way worse from Seasons 2012-Rivals 3 problem. It went from frat boy humor to another level.
Evan was a demon as illustrated not only by the allegations made against him but also by him attempting to impede Wes from breaking up the Tonya/Veronica fight (can't argue with that one).
Evan was the sneaky one of the JEK trio. And the smartest. The one most likely to snake you.
Not me cuz I could see right thru that demon.
Who did Evan ever screw over? He protected Veronica enough to give us the famous smirk moment. He was the only guy not targeting Coral on G3. He didn't throw the mission to screw over Susie on Ruins. The only 2 semi things were turning on Paula on Duel 2 when she went rouge (I'd have ditched her too) and then throwing the mission with Nehemiah although Nehemiah agreed to throw it then pretended otherwise. When was Kenny or Evan ever disloyal? Maybe Kenny to Paula on The Island but I'm still convinced Paula was in on that deal but A for acting. Kenny and Evan were lots of things but they were pretty damn loyal. John was the one most likely to screw his friends...see Leroy on Exes 2 using Sarah to do it. Even voting against Nany in Bloodlines so Hannah wouldn't be angry. John was the shadiest of the 3...
Multiple woman had to go to therapy and never wanted to do the show again just from being in a house from JEK you must be out of your mind if you think they weren't bad on their seasons. ESPECIALLY Island/Ruins. And that's just what we saw in the edit.
Nick from Road Rules X-Treme may have been a better pick for token gay guy much more than Danny could have ever hope to but his time in Sexes 2 was too limited especially with the developing bromance he was having with Shawn from Road Rules Semester At Sea.
Also, in the Gauntlet 2 after Danny was eliminated which obviously was most humiliating considering he did bring a few good ratings due to his legit hate with Jodi, Landon waves goodbye and before jumping into the pool as he says that's Danny leaving, I kind of wished Lando would have had an unfortunate "accident" like oh idk... a humpty dumpty? LOL!
Sexism was at an all-time high Gauntlet 3 - The Ruins. Anyone saying otherwise just wants attention lmao.
I'm not denying that it was sexist. But people are too sensitive over their humor, clearly they didn't treat women poorly outside the show or they wouldn't have so many close female friends. Also, getting rid of the women makes sense but they handled it poorly, were hypocritical, and had karma with Eric costing them.
Multiple woman had to go to therapy and never wanted to do the show again just from being in a house from JEK you must be out of your mind if you think they weren't bad on their seasons. ESPECIALLY Island/Ruins. And that's just what we saw in the edit.
No multiple women didn't. This is still believing the Tonya allegations despite everything
Multiple woman had to go to therapy and never wanted to do the show again just from being in a house from JEK you must be out of your mind if you think they weren't bad on their seasons. ESPECIALLY Island/Ruins. And that's just what we saw in the edit.
Please tell me which women went to therapy over them with prove. Same people that act so disgusted by Kenny and Evan are the same ones who praise Laurel for attacking Eric for no reason.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
Multiple woman had to go to therapy and never wanted to do the show again just from being in a house from JEK you must be out of your mind if you think they weren't bad on their seasons. ESPECIALLY Island/Ruins. And that's just what we saw in the edit.
Please tell me which women went to therapy over them with prove. Same people that act so disgusted by Kenny and Evan are the same ones who praise Laurel for attacking Eric for no reason.
They didn't. Every single woman on that season accepted availability calls after that with 2 (maybe 3 exceptions) and one of those 2 is still good friends with Kenny. One is Tonya.
Evan is almost universally liked--even Katie defended Evan much to V1man's disappointment. Notice they had to add "J" to that. John was an issue--the other two not so much other than very likely false allegation.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
I'm sorry what is this anti-Landon nonsense?
Back in Philly, even though he was drunk he was on his way to literally kill someone in the pool table *likely Karamo* and the cameras made sure to show the knife before pulling him back. Plus in one Duel 2 confessional, he sympathizes with Adam and not CT. And don't even get me started on him stealing the Miz out of what could have been a boring easy win against Karamo in Inferno 2 simply because he wanted to prove himself. If he was smarter Lando would have not risked getting there in elimination simply because of his ego.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
I'm sorry what is this anti-Landon nonsense?
Back in Philly, even though he was drunk he was on his way to literally kill someone in the pool table *likely Karamo* and the cameras made sure to show the knife before pulling him back. Plus in one Duel 2 confessional, he sympathizes with Adam and not CT. And don't even get me started on him stealing the Miz out of what could have been a boring easy win against Karamo in Inferno 2 simply because he wanted to prove himself. If he was smarter Lando would have not risked getting there in elimination simply because of his ego.
I don't even know where to start with this nonsense. Karamo told them all he needed to go home for a prior commitment which is why he sat out the dodge ball mission as that was part of the deal they made with him to send him in. Karamo didn't want to go against the Miz and he asked them to let Landon go against him. The Miz wasn't mad at all--that was an act. You're truly rambling nonsense here.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
I'm sorry what is this anti-Landon nonsense?
Back in Philly, even though he was drunk he was on his way to literally kill someone in the pool table *likely Karamo* and the cameras made sure to show the knife before pulling him back. Plus in one Duel 2 confessional, he sympathizes with Adam and not CT. And don't even get me started on him stealing the Miz out of what could have been a boring easy win against Karamo in Inferno 2 simply because he wanted to prove himself. If he was smarter Lando would have not risked getting there in elimination simply because of his ego.
I don't even know where to start with this nonsense. Karamo told them all he needed to go home for a prior commitment which is why he sat out the dodge ball mission as that was part of the deal they made with him to send him in. Karamo didn't want to go against the Miz and he asked them to let Landon go against him. The Miz wasn't mad at all--that was an act. You're truly rambling nonsense here.
Oh well then. I was severely mistaken, I was thinking that Landon was the one who planned him and Karamo going up against each other in the elimination. And also I think I keep misjudging Landon as a person because he may have a bit of ego, he does have the skills to back it up. Sorry if I offended you and BTW, was the reality show Next the commitment that Karamo was talking about because not too long after Inferno 2 he appeared there and in true Karamo fashion picked no one to at least hang out with.
Oh and even if Landon in Fresh Meat 2 had not had Carley as his partner whom both won together as a partner team despite Carley looking like a dumb blonde and therefore they skated to the end while the Kenny and Wes rivalry which I think was being heavily promoted at the time Wes even had his RW Austin bff Danny sent to the mountain race, wow what loyalty...
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
I'm sorry what is this anti-Landon nonsense?
Back in Philly, even though he was drunk he was on his way to literally kill someone in the pool table *likely Karamo* and the cameras made sure to show the knife before pulling him back. Plus in one Duel 2 confessional, he sympathizes with Adam and not CT. And don't even get me started on him stealing the Miz out of what could have been a boring easy win against Karamo in Inferno 2 simply because he wanted to prove himself. If he was smarter Lando would have not risked getting there in elimination simply because of his ego.
I don't even know where to start with this nonsense. Karamo told them all he needed to go home for a prior commitment which is why he sat out the dodge ball mission as that was part of the deal they made with him to send him in. Karamo didn't want to go against the Miz and he asked them to let Landon go against him. The Miz wasn't mad at all--that was an act. You're truly rambling nonsense here.
Oh well then. I was severely mistaken, I was thinking that Landon was the one who planned him and Karamo going up against each other in the elimination. And also I think I keep misjudging Landon as a person because he may have a bit of ego, he does have the skills to back it up. Sorry if I offended you and BTW, was the reality show Next the commitment that Karamo was talking about because not too long after Inferno 2 he appeared there and in true Karamo fashion picked no one to at least hang out with.
I'm not offended--you just weren't at all accurate. I can't recall if it was a speaking engagement or he was filming something. I just know The Miz was concerned about his image with the WWE as he was negotiating his deal with them at the time. Dan Renzi complained about that entire scenario for a long time after shooting as did Jamie Chung because they all knew Karamo had to leave.
Sexism was at an all-time high Gauntlet 3 - The Ruins. Anyone saying otherwise just wants attention lmao.
I'm not denying that it was sexist. But people are too sensitive over their humor, clearly they didn't treat women poorly outside the show or they wouldn't have so many close female friends. Also, getting rid of the women makes sense but they handled it poorly, were hypocritical, and had karma with Eric costing them.
Not finding it humorous doesnt mean people were sensitive. Bruh we had men referring to women as dumb******* on national television lmao.
Sexism was at an all-time high Gauntlet 3 - The Ruins. Anyone saying otherwise just wants attention lmao.
I'm not denying that it was sexist. But people are too sensitive over their humor, clearly they didn't treat women poorly outside the show or they wouldn't have so many close female friends. Also, getting rid of the women makes sense but they handled it poorly, were hypocritical, and had karma with Eric costing them.
Not finding it humorous doesnt mean people were sensitive. Bruh we had men referring to women as dumb******* on national television lmao.
Shouldn't the women have corrected them and not tolerated it? The reality is a lot of those women were good friends with Kenny & Evan off the show. Them not taking out Eric was absolutely Karma when you "trim the fat" and leave the fattest guy but I don't know why we're acting like the attitude toward women got better. Exes 2 might have been the worst.
If someone wouldn't have gotten cast on The Real World, they shouldn't be cast on the challenge...
Exes 2 was horrible. AYTO was introduced and the first 4 weeks or so was just getting rid of people that were useless followed by a twist that allowed John back in the game, the most sexist season ever (which says a lot), Zack treating Jonna like garbage, Wes running the entire game until John game back, etc. We won't even get into watching the end of Diem. The only saving moment was Sarah making a move Jordan wouldn't.
After rewatching Ruins-Seasons 2...Kenny and Evan weren't that bad. This opinion also only stands if the Tonya theory isn't true. Yeah they had fratboy humor that sometimes crossed the line but the women rarely seemed bothered by them more than in an "annoying brother" kind of way. They had close relationships with a lot of the females outside the show and Evan was always the first to comfort someone that was truly upset. They were actually really funny in confessionals and brought humor/pranks that the show needed. Ironically enough Johnny is the one that I feel was truly gross, sexist, and not that funny.
Evan was a demon as illustrated not only by the allegations made against him but also by him attempting to impede Wes from breaking up the Tonya/Veronica fight (can't argue with that one).
Exes 2 > Exes. The rivals are kinda equal to me
Extreme Challenge > Challenge 2000 > Challenge 1999
Sexes 1 > Sexes 2
Inferno 1 > Inferno 2 > Inferno 3
Gauntlet 2 > Gauntlet 1 > Gauntlet 3
Seasons 1 > Seasons 2
The Duel 1 > The Duel 2
Rivals 1 > Rivals 2 > Rivals 3
Exes 1 > Exes 2
Free Agents > Invasion > Dirty 30 > Vendettas
WOTW 2 > 1
Ride or Dies > S/L/A > Double Agents > Total Madness
Final Reckoning > all the modern day seasons
No I'm asking because did you think what u said was going to change my opinion.
sorry 100% disagree. Those constantly demeaned the women, especially in the confessionals. That's why I'm glad they left with nothing on Gauntlet 3.
I was also thrilled they left with nothing. Gauntlet 3 and the Island were the most sexist seasons I've ever seen.
The Road Rules guys on Gauntlet 1 were kind of bad in that regard too.
Evan was the sneaky one of the JEK trio. And the smartest. The one most likely to snake you.
Not me cuz I could see right thru that demon.
On G3 they protected "their women" and Evelyn. Brad was just as bad as the rest. I'm glad they left with nothing because they kept Easy and target Coral instead of Casey or Robin.
Duel 2-Rivals Kenny and Evan really aren't that big of an issue. Those seasons are easy to rewatch (Ruins until Darrell goes home anyway).
The sexist attitude was way worse from Seasons 2012-Rivals 3 problem. It went from frat boy humor to another level.
wait .. I do like Exes 2 over Exes 1 but I really meant when it came to casting. Also I was dead tired of partner seasons in that era.
Who did Evan ever screw over? He protected Veronica enough to give us the famous smirk moment. He was the only guy not targeting Coral on G3. He didn't throw the mission to screw over Susie on Ruins. The only 2 semi things were turning on Paula on Duel 2 when she went rouge (I'd have ditched her too) and then throwing the mission with Nehemiah although Nehemiah agreed to throw it then pretended otherwise. When was Kenny or Evan ever disloyal? Maybe Kenny to Paula on The Island but I'm still convinced Paula was in on that deal but A for acting. Kenny and Evan were lots of things but they were pretty damn loyal. John was the one most likely to screw his friends...see Leroy on Exes 2 using Sarah to do it. Even voting against Nany in Bloodlines so Hannah wouldn't be angry. John was the shadiest of the 3...
Multiple woman had to go to therapy and never wanted to do the show again just from being in a house from JEK you must be out of your mind if you think they weren't bad on their seasons. ESPECIALLY Island/Ruins. And that's just what we saw in the edit.
Sexism was at an all-time high Gauntlet 3 - The Ruins. Anyone saying otherwise just wants attention lmao.
Nick from Road Rules X-Treme may have been a better pick for token gay guy much more than Danny could have ever hope to but his time in Sexes 2 was too limited especially with the developing bromance he was having with Shawn from Road Rules Semester At Sea.
Also, in the Gauntlet 2 after Danny was eliminated which obviously was most humiliating considering he did bring a few good ratings due to his legit hate with Jodi, Landon waves goodbye and before jumping into the pool as he says that's Danny leaving, I kind of wished Lando would have had an unfortunate "accident" like oh idk... a humpty dumpty? LOL!
It wasn't.
I'm not denying that it was sexist. But people are too sensitive over their humor, clearly they didn't treat women poorly outside the show or they wouldn't have so many close female friends. Also, getting rid of the women makes sense but they handled it poorly, were hypocritical, and had karma with Eric costing them.
No multiple women didn't. This is still believing the Tonya allegations despite everything
Please tell me which women went to therapy over them with prove. Same people that act so disgusted by Kenny and Evan are the same ones who praise Laurel for attacking Eric for no reason.
BTW, the term I used towards Landon jumping in the pool which was the humpty dumpty probably is not real legit slang but I based it on the ancient humpty dumpty egg that fell on his head with a mark on his cranium so you could say my sick self was begging for after Danny leaving as Landon mockingly said that he would humpty dumpty his stupid *** outta the challenge.
They didn't. Every single woman on that season accepted availability calls after that with 2 (maybe 3 exceptions) and one of those 2 is still good friends with Kenny. One is Tonya.
Evan is almost universally liked--even Katie defended Evan much to V1man's disappointment. Notice they had to add "J" to that. John was an issue--the other two not so much other than very likely false allegation.
I'm sorry what is this anti-Landon nonsense?
Back in Philly, even though he was drunk he was on his way to literally kill someone in the pool table *likely Karamo* and the cameras made sure to show the knife before pulling him back. Plus in one Duel 2 confessional, he sympathizes with Adam and not CT. And don't even get me started on him stealing the Miz out of what could have been a boring easy win against Karamo in Inferno 2 simply because he wanted to prove himself. If he was smarter Lando would have not risked getting there in elimination simply because of his ego.
I don't even know where to start with this nonsense. Karamo told them all he needed to go home for a prior commitment which is why he sat out the dodge ball mission as that was part of the deal they made with him to send him in. Karamo didn't want to go against the Miz and he asked them to let Landon go against him. The Miz wasn't mad at all--that was an act. You're truly rambling nonsense here.
Oh well then. I was severely mistaken, I was thinking that Landon was the one who planned him and Karamo going up against each other in the elimination. And also I think I keep misjudging Landon as a person because he may have a bit of ego, he does have the skills to back it up. Sorry if I offended you and BTW, was the reality show Next the commitment that Karamo was talking about because not too long after Inferno 2 he appeared there and in true Karamo fashion picked no one to at least hang out with.
Oh and even if Landon in Fresh Meat 2 had not had Carley as his partner whom both won together as a partner team despite Carley looking like a dumb blonde and therefore they skated to the end while the Kenny and Wes rivalry which I think was being heavily promoted at the time Wes even had his RW Austin bff Danny sent to the mountain race, wow what loyalty...
I'm not offended--you just weren't at all accurate. I can't recall if it was a speaking engagement or he was filming something. I just know The Miz was concerned about his image with the WWE as he was negotiating his deal with them at the time. Dan Renzi complained about that entire scenario for a long time after shooting as did Jamie Chung because they all knew Karamo had to leave.
Not finding it humorous doesnt mean people were sensitive. Bruh we had men referring to women as dumb******* on national television lmao.
Shouldn't the women have corrected them and not tolerated it? The reality is a lot of those women were good friends with Kenny & Evan off the show. Them not taking out Eric was absolutely Karma when you "trim the fat" and leave the fattest guy but I don't know why we're acting like the attitude toward women got better. Exes 2 might have been the worst.
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