I disagree there's still compelling reality tv. I think cancel culture and wokeism is about to quickly kill it though. LA Homecoming threw those concepts out the window and we got the most raw and real reality tv in a over a decade. I agree The Challenge will never be the same without RWRR feeding it but it could get close if they'd cast rookies from only Love Island, US/Can BB, and US\Australian Survivor.
This show and reality tv in general has run its course. It's done.
there's no real world or road rules to supply this show w a cast anymore. They bring in ppl from somalias got talent just to fill up the cast. Just look at that spy kids 2 cast holy chit it looks so BAD.
I disagree there's still compelling reality tv. I think cancel culture and wokeism is about to quickly kill it though. LA Homecoming threw those concepts out the window and we got the most raw and real reality tv in a over a decade. I agree The Challenge will never be the same without RWRR feeding it but it could get close if they'd cast rookies from only Love Island, US/Can BB, and US\Australian Survivor.
Survivor sucks it has one good season every 5 years. Big brother always been scrub television. All these other shows from countries who cares? We loved these shows cause we grew a viewership bond w them from their feeder shows and see how they continue to grow (for better or for worse.)
I don't have any attachment to survivor Romania. I have attachment to road rules campus crawl or real world.
i think the best days of this show are behind them way behind them. Now the watchable days of this show is gone too. I guess if you enjoy dorks, scrubs, losers like big brother, Devin... it's the show for you
I dont think reality tv is dead, internacional seasons of Survivor and BB still make sucess, and the netflix shows are doing good as well, the problem with the challenge is the casting and bringing the same desinteresting people every season, if they do a 180° with the cast the show can still be saved
It's not just the cast, it's the editing, themes, the filming length, excessive episodes, the missions, format, miserable conditions, editing out drama and fights, the pc culture. Everything about it is wrong right now but production/Viacom doesnt get it.
I dont think reality tv is dead, internacional seasons of Survivor and BB still make sucess, and the netflix shows are doing good as well, the problem with the challenge is the casting and bringing the same desinteresting people every season, if they do a 180° with the cast the show can still be saved
The Challenge only worked because the cast was RW/RR originally. People were invested. The randoms need to disappear. Survivor, BB and RW/RR/FM/AYTO/EOTB would need to pretty much be the entire cast. Throw in Amazing Race or maybe BB Canada but none of this global nonsense.
Don't agree, even the best rookies in the last few seasons have been brits, the American casting has been worse than the internacional since the first war of the worlds, so no for me the problem is far from being the Internacionals.
Don't agree, even the best rookies in the last few seasons have been brits, the American casting has been worse than the internacional since the first war of the worlds, so no for me the problem is far from being the Internacionals.
I dont think reality tv is dead, internacional seasons of Survivor and BB still make sucess, and the netflix shows are doing good as well, the problem with the challenge is the casting and bringing the same desinteresting people every season, if they do a 180° with the cast the show can still be saved
exactly Netflix, Homecoming & so many other shows have proved the right casting will always make a better product because once you become attach to a character then whatever happens will be be noteworthy & watchable. MTV has clearly lost that vision
It's not just the cast, it's the editing, themes, the filming length, excessive episodes, the missions, format, miserable conditions, editing out drama and fights, the pc culture. Everything about it is wrong right now but production/Viacom doesnt get it.
true but it all begins with a cast & then everything will follow suit- it seems like it's hard for them to cultivate a great ensemble with using complete randoms with barely an understanding of English cause they're cheaper instead of just finding people with more polarizing personalities & more known shows specifically here in America since most people here are watching
well wasnt it said they were reaching out to cara, paulie and some others again which probably wouldnt have happen if the ratings and feedback for the season were absymal.
A big issue is the same tired unlikeable vets always are at the end aka kaycee, nany, tori this season, kyle, josh, devin, fessy woulda been there at the end too had he not dq.
There was gonna be one soon but they pushed it back to march because of how bad spies lies and allies was. Wishful thinking is they pushed it back to try to go back to the drawing board and save this show.
A big issue is the same tired unlikeable vets always are at the end aka kaycee, nany, tori this season, kyle, josh, devin, fessy woulda been there at the end too had he not dq.
Tired sure but, honest question, is anyone other than Josh actually disliked universally? I feel like Kaycee, Nany, Tori, Kyle and Fessy all at least are generally liked.
I don't think that any of those people is liked by the majority of the people, other than maybe Kyle and Nany, the others may be liked by a part of the fans but are disliked by the majority
I don't think that any of those people is liked by the majority of the people, other than maybe Kyle and Nany, the others may be liked by a part of the fans but are disliked by the majority
Don't agree, even the best rookies in the last few seasons have been brits, the American casting has been worse than the internacional since the first war of the worlds, so no for me the problem is far from being the Internacionals.
The internationals aren't going to help ratings.
So who is? Who are they getting with a big enough following to bring ratings in?
A big issue is the same tired unlikeable vets always are at the end aka kaycee, nany, tori this season, kyle, josh, devin, fessy woulda been there at the end too had he not dq.
Tired sure but, honest question, is anyone other than Josh actually disliked universally? I feel like Kaycee, Nany, Tori, Kyle and Fessy all at least are generally liked.
fessy & josh are the only people that are disliked on all forum communities ****. I feel like fessy gets more hate than josh
I disagree there's still compelling reality tv. I think cancel culture and wokeism is about to quickly kill it though. LA Homecoming threw those concepts out the window and we got the most raw and real reality tv in a over a decade. I agree The Challenge will never be the same without RWRR feeding it but it could get close if they'd cast rookies from only Love Island, US/Can BB, and US\Australian Survivor.
Problem is the same vets are going to get to the end/very far every **** time and the entire vet cast are so unlikeable.
not Somalia lmaoo but nonetheless true
Survivor sucks it has one good season every 5 years. Big brother always been scrub television. All these other shows from countries who cares? We loved these shows cause we grew a viewership bond w them from their feeder shows and see how they continue to grow (for better or for worse.)
I don't have any attachment to survivor Romania. I have attachment to road rules campus crawl or real world.
i think the best days of this show are behind them way behind them. Now the watchable days of this show is gone too. I guess if you enjoy dorks, scrubs, losers like big brother, Devin... it's the show for you
I can confirm Shaleen Sutherland, Tracy Candela & Esther Falana are all on the final cast for Challenge 38.
Meanwhile some of ya'lls faves don't get anything beyond an availability call. My faves on the cast and ready to compete.
Run the show into its grave...
I think they have with the spy era. SLA was the nail in the coffin. From here on out, it's likely just throwing the dirt on the coffin.
I dont think reality tv is dead, internacional seasons of Survivor and BB still make sucess, and the netflix shows are doing good as well, the problem with the challenge is the casting and bringing the same desinteresting people every season, if they do a 180° with the cast the show can still be saved
It's not just the cast, it's the editing, themes, the filming length, excessive episodes, the missions, format, miserable conditions, editing out drama and fights, the pc culture. Everything about it is wrong right now but production/Viacom doesnt get it.
The Challenge only worked because the cast was RW/RR originally. People were invested. The randoms need to disappear. Survivor, BB and RW/RR/FM/AYTO/EOTB would need to pretty much be the entire cast. Throw in Amazing Race or maybe BB Canada but none of this global nonsense.
Don't agree, even the best rookies in the last few seasons have been brits, the American casting has been worse than the internacional since the first war of the worlds, so no for me the problem is far from being the Internacionals.
The internationals aren't going to help ratings.
I doubt anyone that is currently cast on this show is a needle mover in ratings
exactly Netflix, Homecoming & so many other shows have proved the right casting will always make a better product because once you become attach to a character then whatever happens will be be noteworthy & watchable. MTV has clearly lost that vision
true but it all begins with a cast & then everything will follow suit- it seems like it's hard for them to cultivate a great ensemble with using complete randoms with barely an understanding of English cause they're cheaper instead of just finding people with more polarizing personalities & more known shows specifically here in America since most people here are watching
^^^facts
For more Theo's and Ashley C. And less Joshes and Faysals
well wasnt it said they were reaching out to cara, paulie and some others again which probably wouldnt have happen if the ratings and feedback for the season were absymal.
A big issue is the same tired unlikeable vets always are at the end aka kaycee, nany, tori this season, kyle, josh, devin, fessy woulda been there at the end too had he not dq.
Is there a new season filming soon?
There was gonna be one soon but they pushed it back to march because of how bad spies lies and allies was. Wishful thinking is they pushed it back to try to go back to the drawing board and save this show.
Tired sure but, honest question, is anyone other than Josh actually disliked universally? I feel like Kaycee, Nany, Tori, Kyle and Fessy all at least are generally liked.
I don't think that any of those people is liked by the majority of the people, other than maybe Kyle and Nany, the others may be liked by a part of the fans but are disliked by the majority
And very few people they could actually get as rookies would as well
So who is? Who are they getting with a big enough following to bring ratings in?
fessy & josh are the only people that are disliked on all forum communities ****. I feel like fessy gets more hate than josh
Double agents had tons of rookies but they were mostly from american shows= close to 1 million views
spies lies and allies: tons of international rookies= 500k
clearly they need to stick to america.
One season had like 3/4 rookies from each ***, and the other had half the cast. Other than Amber B. Who was the last noteworthy American rookie?
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