The Challenge: Spies, Lies and Allies- Truce or Dare

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Kvm you are the Paulie of vevmo

Kvm you are the Paulie of vevmo

You can say what you want--deep down you know I'm right here--you end up on my side more often than you realize  :)  

 

Kvm you are the Paulie of vevmo

You can say what you want--deep down you know I'm right here--you end up on my side more often than you realize  :)  

No I don't 

You say ridiculous things all the time, you just lack awareness. You think your opinion is the gospel and that everyone should have the same mindset as you. Why do you waste so much energy on what an anonymous stranger thinks about a stranger on reality tv? It's nonsense and pathetic. Say your peace and move on, the repetitive back and forth does nothing. No one is changing their opinions. 

How long have you been concerned about what I say and do?

I'm fully self aware.  I'm not liked because I'll challenge people when they say things that I don't believe make sense.  An opinion is "I like Tacha" or "I hate Tori".  An opinion is not "Tori broke her deal with Tacha" when we heard the conversation and her making it clear there was no guarantee given OR "Amber is a boring winner" when she wasn't preditcable.  Say you think Amber is boring that's great--saying she's a boring winner isn't seeing things clearly due to bias.

there is no medication that can fix this is there

So did anyone enjoy that elimination?

I was sad for Tommy and Tacha I really liked them, I hope they actually call this batch of rookies unlike the last few seasons 

nelson telling big t she was gna be the first vet that they picked off to her face during the aftermath. him and amanda really give no ***** lol

So did anyone enjoy that elimination?

I actually did, it was exciting to see them getting so close and the poles always dropping randomnly. I felt like it could have gone either way a bunch of times.

No I don't 

Devin really took charge this episode. You love to see it.

 

So did anyone enjoy that elimination?

I actually did, it was exciting to see them getting so close and the poles always dropping randomnly. I felt like it could have gone either way a bunch of times.

Yeah, this was a really good elimination. Not pure strength, or endurance, and it felt like a great equalizer. I do think that having just girls compete helped the editing make it more entertaining tho, but still really good. 

 

I enjoyed Tacha going off on Tori. Anyone against that smut makes me a fan of them. 

 

You're right Tori didn't guarantee her anything and owed her nothing.  Tacha reaction is childish and illogical.  Thank you

Again, it's not mutually exclusive that Tori didn't owe or promise Tacha anything while also Tacha being correct to be mad at Tori being fake about how she was approached. Those are both true in this instance. 

Do people not comprehend this is a game?  Of course Tori is going to go to her to get information so if the name she says she wants to go against wins Tori can use that to get Tacha thrown in again.  It's a GAME.  Tacha clearly doesn't know how to play it.   Her reaction childish and uncalled for.  Just a waste.   Tori outplayed her, outsmarter her and is a better competitor and Tacha can't handle that.

Knowing a male/female prob win 400/500k each it would be foolish not to get all info available,Tori prob wanted to send Big T in but Kyle scared her off that idea.

 

You're right Tori didn't guarantee her anything and owed her nothing.  Tacha reaction is childish and illogical.  Thank you

Again, it's not mutually exclusive that Tori didn't owe or promise Tacha anything while also Tacha being correct to be mad at Tori being fake about how she was approached. Those are both true in this instance. 

Do people not comprehend this is a game?  Of course Tori is going to go to her to get information so if the name she says she wants to go against wins Tori can use that to get Tacha thrown in again.  It's a GAME.  Tacha clearly doesn't know how to play it.   Her reaction childish and uncalled for.  Just a waste.   Tori outplayed her, outsmarter her and is a better competitor and Tacha can't handle that.

Knowing a male/female prob win 400/500k each it would be foolish not to get all info available,Tori prob wanted to send Big T in but Kyle scared her off that idea.

As far as Tacha and Tori, I know it's fashionable to hate Tori lately (I never liked her) but looking at it objectively, is it not customary for the people in power to ask the nominated people who they want to go up against? And it is also very common for those people to not be given who they want in elimination. So just as I can understand Tacha throwing out Corey L and Michelle's names at deliberation for her game, I don't see anything criminal about what Tori did there, sorry. That's my take on that because I did see people criticizing Tori solely for that.

What did sound weird and what is worthy of criticism if true was Tacha's accusation on the after show that Tori had her smash bricks in the first Challenge making her think she was on her and Kelz team. What?! Explain that, Tori.

 

 

You're right Tori didn't guarantee her anything and owed her nothing.  Tacha reaction is childish and illogical.  Thank you

Again, it's not mutually exclusive that Tori didn't owe or promise Tacha anything while also Tacha being correct to be mad at Tori being fake about how she was approached. Those are both true in this instance. 

Do people not comprehend this is a game?  Of course Tori is going to go to her to get information so if the name she says she wants to go against wins Tori can use that to get Tacha thrown in again.  It's a GAME.  Tacha clearly doesn't know how to play it.   Her reaction childish and uncalled for.  Just a waste.   Tori outplayed her, outsmarter her and is a better competitor and Tacha can't handle that.

Knowing a male/female prob win 400/500k each it would be foolish not to get all info available,Tori prob wanted to send Big T in but Kyle scared her off that idea.

Big T said in one of the promo videos that she is in an alliance with Kyle and Devin, so he definitely had her back.

And yes if Tori broke the vet alliance before she needed to, then that would be her giving the other vets an excuse to gun for her once they start turning on each other. And they don't all like her anyway, right?

Devin really took charge this episode. You love to see it.

some people just talk to talk

Kvm is right, tori doesn't own anything to Tasha. She tricked Tasha first mission...her mistake to trust a vet. Tasha should have used the rookies to rally against the vet  and not to get voted in but she would rather beg tori of an easy matchup . All the rookies are fools this year.

Tori outsmarted Tacha at the first mission and Tori did nothing wrong by giving her Berna over Michele. She can be mad at her for being tricked by her but to be mad for not getting what she wanted is a reach.

I fell asleep twice watching this ep. That prob says more about me than the show, but still...

I think Berna is impressive (other than being attractive to someone who says things like "Come to Daddy..." *bleh*) and shows competitive promise, as does Michele. While Tacha didn't do well in the daily, it didn't look like she did too badly in the elim, though the editing at times seemed off--there were times she seemed really close to Berna, but maybe that was due to getting the order of the bars mixed up. I hope she does come back--I think she'll be more prepared now.

Also, I know he's not a fan fav, but I never watched him on Survivor, so I didn't have an opinion until now---I liked Tommy and thought he showed promise; what a ****** way to go out! I know it was a concussion, but did they say whether it was just from the jump itself, or did it happen due to the current in the cave?

He hit his head against the cave wall

He hit his head against the cave wall

Thank you...

Michele was secretly aligned with Tori and Aneesa. 

Tori technically didn't do anything wrong but this is a prime example of doing too much. Why even ask Tacha when she wasn't going to take her preference into consideration? Even if she was just fishing for information, nothing Tacha said would have helped her game. Tori and a lot of other vets play sloppy games for no damn reason.

Sidenote: Besides Aneesa, what other cast mates genuinely like Tori? Maybe Josh and Devin? I get the feeling most of them tolerate her more than anything.

Tori technically didn't do anything wrong but this is a prime example of doing too much. Why even ask Tacha when she wasn't going to take her preference into consideration? Even if she was just fishing for information, nothing Tacha said would have helped her game. Tori and a lot of other vets play sloppy games for no damn reason.

Sidenote: Besides Aneesa, what other cast mates genuinely like Tori? Maybe Josh and Devin? I get the feeling most of them tolerate her more than anything.

tori spent the early years of her challenge career with the older vets now that they arent there anymore shes not really friends with anyone, also her being fake doesnt help

He hit his head against the cave wall

Why didn't they have helmets? That was so negligent of them. They used to give them helmets for these kinds of challenges.

What Tori did wasn't criminal but she's fake and whether it's a game or not people don't like fake people. 

Tori technically didn't do anything wrong but this is a prime example of doing too much. Why even ask Tacha when she wasn't going to take her preference into consideration? Even if she was just fishing for information, nothing Tacha said would have helped her game. Tori and a lot of other vets play sloppy games for no damn reason.

Sidenote: Besides Aneesa, what other cast mates genuinely like Tori? Maybe Josh and Devin? I get the feeling most of them tolerate her more than anything.

Here's my issue.  They always ask who they want.  Doesn't mean they'll give them that person but they ask. Why shouldn't Tori?  She told Tacha that she couldn't guarantee it. There was no promise made. Tacha just doesn't understand the game. 

None of the vets have more than 2 or 3 people the genuinely like them. Most of it is fake. Pretty sure CT and Tori are relatively tight though. 

What Tori did wasn't criminal but she's fake and whether it's a game or not people don't like fake people. 

Aren't they all fake?  

Tori was just being sloppy. Going to Tacha when she already had her mind set to help Corey, and doing the most to scare Big T resulting in the other vets side-eyeing her. We know she's not known for being smart lol

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