The Challenge : Spies, Lies and Allies (Spoiler Discussion) - Part 1

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

lol the day you guys realize they barely think like that anymore, josh is tight with almost all the vets. open your eyes, he made it so far every season after wotw2 for a reason 

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

I don't even necessarily like the guy but he's done well as a competitor and socially. He's ****** up a few times but he's nowhere nearly below average.

let's stop acting like josh is a flop competitively pls. he has his moments but he's proven he can be good, he carried your fav amanda all of wotw1. had a impressive showing in that elimination against kam, not a lot of men would've been able to do that. plus he's easily one of the best male swimmers on the cast now.

Yeah like i meant currently. Mtv used to cast likable or strong lgbtq men now alk that really comes to mind is jozea and hughie dhdh 

 

Frank Sweeney and Tyler Duckworth were both strong competitors and champs

and it's been like 10 years lol same with Marlon

the point being is that over half the gay guys they cast are not athletic and are usually just type-cast gays that fit an image they want to portray. Sean was a good choice on paper like Pink said but then they paid him dust after going home first.

 

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

He is actually good at the political aspect of the game has created enough bonds to make it deep into the game

He's pretty lucky that the people he's friends with keep coming back

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

word on road is Josh eliminated Kelz

Yes him and nany did great in the mini final. Josh is actually very fit. He just cant do anything complicated because hee clumbsy lmao 

 

 

My sister paired with Josh isn't she.........sigh 

you need to be happy she's with someone who can do a puzzle

Can he run tho? :/

If Amanda and Smash last long enough they will get CT and Fessy in a elimination against each other towards the end of filming. 

 

 

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

He is actually good at the political aspect of the game has created enough bonds to make it deep into the game

He's pretty lucky that the people he's friends with keep coming back

You could say that about literally anyone with an alliance.....

Oop the army is about to snap

Josh's biggest weakness is eliminations. His only win was a struggle in itself and against one of the weaker guys on Double Agents and he lost a tug of war to someone with one hand

does he have a good social game and is halfway decent in daily missions? Yes 100% 

but when it comes to high pressure situations he doesnt have it

 

 

 

people still pretending josh is some sort of competitor or social genius<<<<< hes a layup. as soon as they feel its his time to go he will do just that 

He is actually good at the political aspect of the game has created enough bonds to make it deep into the game

He's pretty lucky that the people he's friends with keep coming back

You could say that about literally anyone with an alliance.....

If i thought Josh was weak and there was no skulls then best believe im taking him along to the final for me to go against. I dont expect to see his (or hughie's) names for a while.

josh has benefitted from the skull twist the most. LITERALLY why he leaves at the same time every season.

is anyone genuinely shocked that the rookies are flopping? we usually don't see it this bad bc 1. there aren't usually THIS many rookies in a season, and 2. if there are a lot of rookies, they're usually paired with a vet and it's not this weird pair-sometimes individual format. the vets always have it easy because they know what to expect and they have connections. they all went in with basically a 15 person alliance, and usually the first few elims are the rooks. we are really missing out with michaela and tacha gone this soon though :/

I just realized that only once has there been more than one AYTO castmember in a final and it was when Cheyenne and Devin made it, after already being eliminated.

Tori and Amanda need to get to this final, hell bring Nelson if they must.

josh only weakness is intellegience and using logic. he could win more eliminations if he went about things logically.

amanda wasn't doing anything in the kam elimination so he loses that either way cause of her. if he had a strategy pulling the rope he would've beaten jordan, he loses to kyle. beats mechie and probably loses to ct. 

We can say Josh plays a good political game but let's be real--there isn't a person that wouldn't want to face him in an elimination

Josh's biggest weakness is eliminations. His only win was a struggle in itself and against one of the weaker guys on Double Agents and he lost a tug of war to someone with one hand

does he have a good social game and is halfway decent in daily missions? Yes 100% 

but when it comes to high pressure situations he doesnt have it

Dealing with the high pressure situations of the game comes with age and experience. He started the show pretty young (23 I believe) and is still the youngest male vet on the cast.

We can say Josh plays a good political game but let's be real--there isn't a person that wouldn't want to face him in an elimination

I still think he'd do fine and hold his own in something physical. He's not small or weak.

Josh can make a final if he does his usual strategy of using his social connections to preserve himself and if he somehow goes down in the arena he luckily gets a hall brawl one of these days. We got like 4 hall brawls last season.

i think josh would've made double agents final if it wasn't for skulls. arguably total madness final also, he had his social game on lock on those seasons.

This is the furthest Ashley has made it in a minute * clap clap clap * 

I see more positives than I do negatives with Josh as a partner......Yeah him and Miss B are a threat !!!!

This is the furthest Ashley has made it in a minute * clap clap clap * 

it's SO sad because there's 14 girls left and this really is the farthest she's made it in a couple of seasons LMAOOO. queen better be flinging these girls left and right

We can say Josh plays a good political game but let's be real--there isn't a person that wouldn't want to face him in an elimination

In something physical I can think of a few guys who would say differently.  

Josh can make a final if he does his usual strategy of using his social connections to preserve himself and if he somehow goes down in the arena he luckily gets a hall brawl one of these days. We got like 4 hall brawls last season.

If there was no security breach last season, I really feel like he would have been in the final. Majority of finalists would have had his back over Fessy/Kyle/CT and the other side never actually had the votes to send him in. If they did a house revote instead of "second most votes" for the second guy in the security breach, it would have been Kyle going down.

Exactly. He's really good at a lot if stuff hes just very clumsy. 

I see more positives than I do negatives with Josh as a partner......Yeah him and Miss B are a threat !!!!

This is the furthest Ashley has made it in a minute * clap clap clap * 

She made it to the final three seasons ago. Seems like way longer considering she usually leaves second or third.