The Challenge : Spies, Lies and Allies (Spoiler Discussion) - Part 1

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I love that out of everyone on this cast people are still confused about the casting of Tommy

You seem to still be confused why people don't want to see a boring teacher who will stand in the background all season and deliver forced confessionals like"my 4th graders are smarter than blah blah".

I don't care if you think he's boring or if you don't want him on the show--that's fine.  Not comprehending it is ridiculous and that's what people keep saying.  Casting him isn't difficult to comprehend.  He's a competitor, he's a strategist, he's likeable.   They aren't going to cast 34 people that bring fake drama nor should we want that.  You need people like Tommy on the show for balance.   Again, this is simple regardless of your opinion of him.   And his fourth graders likely are smarter than half the cast.

Tommy is funny, he isn't charming, he isn't witty. He is bland and adds nothing. That's fine if you like him but you not understanding how people are surprised this bore made an MTV reality show is idiotic.

I'm not pro-Tommy but with pretty much every rookie class since WOTW being absolutely abysmal, is a Survivor winner worse than like a Shaleen or whatever? lol 

Like he probably shouldn't be casted on this, but it's not the absolute worst we've seen lately

#FreeHauserman

Clearly they are prioritizing winners from other shows despite what they actually bring to the table. While I think some can work out (Michele), others like Tommy and Kaycee we're just going to have to live with cause that's what this wack casting department has decided to do. It's really not worth 10 pages of back and forth every day

Simply being not as obnoxious as the vets doesn't mean someone is a good choice lol. It's like how devin's worthless *** has fans now because he fought with people casuals hate. 

Devin always had fans because he's a smart gameplayer that's willing to take a shot at the big dogs. His fanbase has grown because he was one of the saving graces of season 36. You're simply blinded by your hatred for him.

I don't hate Devin but when did he ever play a smart game?

When he voted Fessy into elimination against Nelson to implode their alliance.

LOL--you mean when Fessy asked to go in?  That's the best you have?   Come on

Devin is smart but he plays a reckless game that isn't well thought out because he can't control his emotions.

That's just one example I have. What about when he picked Tori to be his partner? Natalie was right there but he knew that by picking Tori he would have a lesser target because TYB, Kamroy and BB weren't gonna risk throwing Tori in since noone knew if it would be a girls or guys day.

I like Tori but why didn't he pick Kam who had the numbers?  Tori didn't have the numbers?  And they essentially got thrown at the first opportunity. 

Because Kyle is his guy and he's not a ******** like CT.

Then he's not playing a smart game--you never play for your friends.  You won't win that way--see Amanda

And like Kyle cares about Devin ****

I don't mind the Michele casting, but it made a lot more sense when we thought Wendell, Jay and Natalie were gonna be there too.

I love that out of everyone on this cast people are still confused about the casting of Tommy

You seem to still be confused why people don't want to see a boring teacher who will stand in the background all season and deliver forced confessionals like"my 4th graders are smarter than blah blah".

I don't care if you think he's boring or if you don't want him on the show--that's fine.  Not comprehending it is ridiculous and that's what people keep saying.  Casting him isn't difficult to comprehend.  He's a competitor, he's a strategist, he's likeable.   They aren't going to cast 34 people that bring fake drama nor should we want that.  You need people like Tommy on the show for balance.   Again, this is simple regardless of your opinion of him.   And his fourth graders likely are smarter than half the cast.

Tommy isn't funny, he isn't charming, he isn't witty. He is bland and adds nothing. That's fine if you like him but you not understanding how people are surprised this bore made an MTV reality show is idiotic.

People are suprised a Survivor champ in his 20s that's intelligent and an athlete made the cast?   How do these people survive day to day without help?

Im still hoping that its duo eliminations this season, it would make the season less long and those elimintions usally cause some shocks.

 Although thats looking unlikey since if Big T had to leave and they didnt use any alts,  that would have meant her partner would have had to leave as well, right.

I didnt watch all of season 36 but did the partner swaps causes any arguments or interesting storylines?

 

I love that out of everyone on this cast people are still confused about the casting of Tommy

You seem to still be confused why people don't want to see a boring teacher who will stand in the background all season and deliver forced confessionals like"my 4th graders are smarter than blah blah".

I don't care if you think he's boring or if you don't want him on the show--that's fine.  Not comprehending it is ridiculous and that's what people keep saying.  Casting him isn't difficult to comprehend.  He's a competitor, he's a strategist, he's likeable.   They aren't going to cast 34 people that bring fake drama nor should we want that.  You need people like Tommy on the show for balance.   Again, this is simple regardless of your opinion of him.   And his fourth graders likely are smarter than half the cast.

Tommy isn't funny, he isn't charming, he isn't witty. He is bland and adds nothing. That's fine if you like him but you not understanding how people are surprised this bore made an MTV reality show is idiotic.

People are suprised a Survivor champ in his 20s that's intelligent and an athlete made the cast?   How do these people survive day to day without help?

lol I agree but we dont need to beat a dead horse. People arent gonna change their mind

do we know for sure no alts are being used? filming hasn't resumed or has it been confirmed none are on site anymore

I'm just confused why people are so upset about the rookie casting. The vet casting this season is awful, but the rookie casting is pretty good imo.

Look at WOTW2 - Sean, Idris, Jenny, Big T, Nicole, Ester. THAT is some **** poor rookie casting yet the season ended up being good imo. Michaela, Michele, and a lot of these people have way more potential than those flops so I'm lowkey here for most of the rookies they got.

Once again they keep casting kaycee and randoms from around the world... why are yall so angered and surprised that a survivor winner in his 20's is on this.

yeah i really like the rookies but the vets are kinda trash 

yeah i really like the rookies but the vets are kinda trash 

probably the worst vet cast in a long time but with a lot of the vets declining for personal reasons or cause they're burnt out (Kailah, Hunter, etc), a lot of the vets fumbling their bag (Paulie, Cara, Bear, etc), and the rest being banned for racist past coming to haunt them (Georgia, Mattie, Rogan, Jordan, Jay etc) now is more important than ever that they get some people in there with longevity (aka early twenties, need the money, competitive) 

Also this is why it's super important they try to make this show more enjoyable. If they do another bunker season like TM where they're purposely torturing these people, they're not going to come back.

The irony if someone with a Tori avi coming for slaychele lololololol

I hope this Michelle girl lives up to the hype

should we expect the last females to be revealed today pr 

I hope this Michelle girl lives up to the hype

she's definitely getting a ghost edit, despite her making herself a ghost

The irony if someone with a Tori avi coming for slaychele lololololol

not yall letting Seaux set miss deal up? y'all really are THAT simple 

And whoever said Michele was " feisty " in her confessionals needs to stop lying that girl is BORING do not expect a lot from her 

I don't know many jersey girls that are boring Wink How can you say this confessional doesn't bring HEAT?

"The way Nick speaks to me is not in a way that I would ever tolerate a man speaking to me in my regular life, and I just want to be like, “bro, I know,” but that’s his ego. Right now what I’m going to do is just let Nick baby me and make him believe that I need all the help that he can offer, like the innocent little girl, like I’m stupid, but actually I’m a strong independent woman, and when it comes time to make a move, then I will. I don’t need to be carried, bro."

I hope this Michelle girl lives up to the hype

she won't lol i'm expecting zero-minimal airtime until her elimination episode 

i mean im not shocked people are hyping michele up, these are the same people who start hooting and hollering when amanda calls someone a loser.

 

And whoever said Michele was " feisty " in her confessionals needs to stop lying that girl is BORING do not expect a lot from her 

I don't know many jersey girls that are boring How can you say this confessional doesn't bring HEAT?

"The way Nick speaks to me is not in a way that I would ever tolerate a man speaking to me in my regular life, and I just want to be like, “bro, I know,” but that’s his ego. Right now what I’m going to do is just let Nick baby me and make him believe that I need all the help that he can offer, like the innocent little girl, like I’m stupid, but actually I’m a strong independent woman, and when it comes time to make a move, then I will. I don’t need to be carried, bro."

HEAT?? girl at best this makes it into the teen fiction section at the local library 

I hope this Michelle girl lives up to the hype

We all see what happened with natalie who looked more promising so i expect michele to be a flop

 

And whoever said Michele was " feisty " in her confessionals needs to stop lying that girl is BORING do not expect a lot from her 

I don't know many jersey girls that are boring How can you say this confessional doesn't bring HEAT?

"The way Nick speaks to me is not in a way that I would ever tolerate a man speaking to me in my regular life, and I just want to be like, “bro, I know,” but that’s his ego. Right now what I’m going to do is just let Nick baby me and make him believe that I need all the help that he can offer, like the innocent little girl, like I’m stupid, but actually I’m a strong independent woman, and when it comes time to make a move, then I will. I don’t need to be carried, bro."

okay, pop off white girl

Michele and Michaela are very well gonna be in an alliance being the only two women from American survivor 

 

And whoever said Michele was " feisty " in her confessionals needs to stop lying that girl is BORING do not expect a lot from her 

I don't know many jersey girls that are boring How can you say this confessional doesn't bring HEAT?

"The way Nick speaks to me is not in a way that I would ever tolerate a man speaking to me in my regular life, and I just want to be like, “bro, I know,” but that’s his ego. Right now what I’m going to do is just let Nick baby me and make him believe that I need all the help that he can offer, like the innocent little girl, like I’m stupid, but actually I’m a strong independent woman, and when it comes time to make a move, then I will. I don’t need to be carried, bro."

This didn't move the needle at all... y'all gotta stop tryna make her seem like a big deal cause once the season airs and she's wallpaper y'all gonna be looking worse than the natalie fans were

 

Simply being not as obnoxious as the vets doesn't mean someone is a good choice lol. It's like how devin's worthless *** has fans now because he fought with people casuals hate. 

Devin always had fans because he's a smart gameplayer that's willing to take a shot at the big dogs. His fanbase has grown because he was one of the saving graces of season 36. You're simply blinded by your hatred for him.

I don't hate Devin but when did he ever play a smart game?

When he voted Fessy into elimination against Nelson to implode their alliance.

LOL--you mean when Fessy asked to go in?  That's the best you have?   Come on

Devin is smart but he plays a reckless game that isn't well thought out because he can't control his emotions.

That's just one example I have. What about when he picked Tori to be his partner? Natalie was right there but he knew that by picking Tori he would have a lesser target because TYB, Kamroy and BB weren't gonna risk throwing Tori in since noone knew if it would be a girls or guys day.

I like Tori but why didn't he pick Kam who had the numbers?  Tori didn't have the numbers?  And they essentially got thrown at the first opportunity. 

Because Kyle is his guy and he's not a ******** like CT.

Then he's not playing a smart game--you never play for your friends.  You won't win that way--see Amanda

And like Kyle cares about Devin ****

It is  playing a smart game. Why would Devin burn bridges with his own allies when he already had pretty much everyone against him? And Kyle definitely cares for him lmfbo, why would he have strategy sessions with him every night and why was he helping him in challenges and eliminations?? 

i really cant believe we almost had a survivor takeover then jay, natalie & wendell all disappear in the same week. i think that was a powermove..

I hope this Michelle girl lives up to the hype

Michele is very savvy. Her social game was amazing which is how she was able to win, she's VERY good in challenges and she's the only person to play Survivor multiple times and NEVER be eliminated...She's also got a little fiesty side of her which we'd probably see more on this show when alcohol involved, unlike on Survivor

I like Michele but anything physical she's gonna flop at 

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