And before you come at me, I know Tori beat Jenny. I honestly think that was a fluke and Jenny would crush pretty much anyone now that she knows how to tackle lol
Do you think the majority of people aren't watching this for the competition?
the reason the show has become as big as it has lately is bc of it's emphasis on competition/athletics.
aka, the opposite of what most people here want lol
i don't think we want the opposite. I just don't think we want to see a bunch of pro athletes and trainers with no personality or story taking over.
Any longtime fan would tell you that the show is taking a turn for the worse. The fun on the show is getting lost. The contestants seem miserable whereas before it was a fun, party type of atmoshere. They ahve essentially removed all strategy with the skull twist. And the dailies seem more focused on theatrics rather than actual competition.
They need to take a step back with over-producing this show. Put them in a fun sunny location, make the dailies more straight-forward again, dial back the twists and just do winner picks one person and last place person go into elim, and take away the skull twist. The gameplay and general atmosphere of fun in the house is severely lacking imo.
It's very possible to have a fun competitive season with loads of drama with engaging personalities. They have had seasons with all of that before but name the last season where we've gotten all of that in one ?
WOTW/WOTW 2/Total Madness/Double Agents have been terrible/average seasons. Only one on that list I would even think about giving a pass is WOTW 2 because those first four episodes were magical then it went downhill after.
It's very possible to have a fun competitive season with loads of drama with engaging personalities. They have had seasons with all of that before but name the last season where we've gotten all of that in one ?
WOTW/WOTW 2/Total Madness/Double Agents have been terrible/average seasons. Only one on that list I would even think about giving a pass is WOTW 2 because those first four episodes were magical then it went downhill after.
im surprised you think WOTW and WOTW2 were bad. I thought they were great seasons actually and I actually liked the outcome on both too which is rare.
Total Madness and Double Agents on the other hand are terrible.
It's very possible to have a fun competitive season with loads of drama with engaging personalities. They have had seasons with all of that before but name the last season where we've gotten all of that in one ?
WOTW/WOTW 2/Total Madness/Double Agents have been terrible/average seasons. Only one on that list I would even think about giving a pass is WOTW 2 because those first four episodes were magical then it went downhill after.
The seasons now aren't bad because of the lack of drama--they suck because the formats aren't well executed
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
agreed! a huge portion of this show was the politics. i know they wanted to stop people from coasting to the end, but I was actually really impressed with some of the politics on WOTW2, specifically Ashley and Rogan.
if they want to stop people from coasting to the end, putting last place straight to elimination or having a purge would be a far better solution than this god awful skull twist.
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
agreed! a huge portion of this show was the politics. i know they wanted to stop people from coasting to the end, but I was actually really impressed with some of the politics on WOTW2, specifically Ashley and Rogan.
if they want to stop people from coasting to the end, putting last place straight to elimination or having a purge would be a far better solution than this god awful skull twist.
Last place is such an easy solution that it's absurd--if you compete well you shouldn't need to go in if your political game is good
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
agreed! a huge portion of this show was the politics. i know they wanted to stop people from coasting to the end, but I was actually really impressed with some of the politics on WOTW2, specifically Ashley and Rogan.
if they want to stop people from coasting to the end, putting last place straight to elimination or having a purge would be a far better solution than this god awful skull twist.
Last place is such an easy solution that it's absurd--if you compete well you shouldn't need to go in if your political game is good
WOTW1 is the sort of format they should've kept IMO. Tribunal or house vote sends one player in, they get to choose anyone they want as their opponent. Keeps politics and betrayals whilst also ensures nobody is untouchable all season.
WOTW1 is the sort of format they should've kept IMO. Tribunal or house vote sends one player in, they get to choose anyone they want as their opponent. Keeps politics and betrayals whilst also ensures nobody is untouchable all season.
It's both a reality show and competition, it's not a tough concept to grasp.
Do I want a bunch of dull meatheads with zero personality dominating and sending home entertaining castmembers? No. But I also don't want a cast full of Amber Ms/Jasmine weak types with zero shot of winning.
It's called balance. There are so many good potential cast members out there with a mix of personality and athleticism and there's no reason why they're casting a bunch of duds.
No ******* tribunal, no skulls, last place goes in.
If we got all those, I would've care what the rest of the format includes cause at least the eliminations would be good. Throw in a numerous team format (teams of four, or a few teams of eight), and I'll call it perfect.
It's very possible to have a fun competitive season with loads of drama with engaging personalities. They have had seasons with all of that before but name the last season where we've gotten all of that in one ?
WOTW/WOTW 2/Total Madness/Double Agents have been terrible/average seasons. Only one on that list I would even think about giving a pass is WOTW 2 because those first four episodes were magical then it went downhill after.
im surprised you think WOTW and WOTW2 were bad. I thought they were great seasons actually and I actually liked the outcome on both too which is rare.
Total Madness and Double Agents on the other hand are terrible.
lol I'm the opposite - Double Agents has been the most entertaining out of the four for me. It has less of a 'dark' vibe compared to the WOTW seasons.
Honestly I don't give a shit if the season is "fun" they are grown adults on a reality show, I'll take drama, gameplay and competition over fun anyday.
Honestly I don't give a shit if the season is "fun" they are grown adults on a reality show, I'll take drama, gameplay and competition over fun anyday.
Disagree, seeing them have fun makes it fun for me. Watching the older seasons and seeing the fun parties made it light and enjoyable. Now it's just dark, watching people be miserable isn't good tv imo. But misery loves company, so I guess miserable people enjoy it lol.
Honestly I don't give a shit if the season is "fun" they are grown adults on a reality show, I'll take drama, gameplay and competition over fun anyday.
Disagree, seeing them have fun makes it fun for me. Watching the older seasons and seeing the fun parties made it light and enjoyable. Now it's just dark, watching people be miserable isn't good tv imo. But misery loves company, so I guess miserable people enjoy it lol.
I don't care about the filler, I watch for things that matter like drama, competition, gameplay, etc.
Tbh this is the best vote scenario if it weren't for red skulls. Have the house vote first in a secret vote, then go to the elimination and have the winners vote right there. It could make for some power matchups and power moves. However, that only works without the skull twist.
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
I've stayed away since Vendettas, that might have been my last full season. There's definitely some people on here that ***** about the show but still religiously watch it. Lol I couldn't do it.
honestly drop skulls and return the duel format if next season isn't teams. hopefully the current format returns later down the line (w/o skulls) though
Honestly I don't give a shit if the season is "fun" they are grown adults on a reality show, I'll take drama, gameplay and competition over fun anyday.
Disagree, seeing them have fun makes it fun for me. Watching the older seasons and seeing the fun parties made it light and enjoyable. Now it's just dark, watching people be miserable isn't good tv imo. But misery loves company, so I guess miserable people enjoy it lol.
i only like them having fun when they get drunk and start fighting.
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
I've stayed away since Vendettas, that might have been my last full season. There's definitely some people on here that ***** about the show but still religiously watch it. Lol I couldn't do it.
once we get a season with nobody from RW or RR I will be like you lol, think i've held on just because i've been watching forever and they keep giving me hope bringing back one ir two old schoolers every so often (but not often enough or the quantities I'd prefer lol)
**** I'm that predictable lol
i don't think we want the opposite. I just don't think we want to see a bunch of pro athletes and trainers with no personality or story taking over.
Any longtime fan would tell you that the show is taking a turn for the worse. The fun on the show is getting lost. The contestants seem miserable whereas before it was a fun, party type of atmoshere. They ahve essentially removed all strategy with the skull twist. And the dailies seem more focused on theatrics rather than actual competition.
They need to take a step back with over-producing this show. Put them in a fun sunny location, make the dailies more straight-forward again, dial back the twists and just do winner picks one person and last place person go into elim, and take away the skull twist. The gameplay and general atmosphere of fun in the house is severely lacking imo.
It's very possible to have a fun competitive season with loads of drama with engaging personalities. They have had seasons with all of that before but name the last season where we've gotten all of that in one ?
WOTW/WOTW 2/Total Madness/Double Agents have been terrible/average seasons. Only one on that list I would even think about giving a pass is WOTW 2 because those first four episodes were magical then it went downhill after.
im surprised you think WOTW and WOTW2 were bad. I thought they were great seasons actually and I actually liked the outcome on both too which is rare.
Total Madness and Double Agents on the other hand are terrible.
The seasons now aren't bad because of the lack of drama--they suck because the formats aren't well executed
The show has an identity crisis. You can't make it a competition based show with the stupid skull twist and then cast people like Big T, Amber M, and Josh. They, well Big T, would be great in team comps or even without the red skull twist because they could use their social and political game to get to the end. The show has turned into a snooze fest since the merger, I don't know why anyone (including myself) would tune in. Kids these days have low standards in tv lol.
agreed! a huge portion of this show was the politics. i know they wanted to stop people from coasting to the end, but I was actually really impressed with some of the politics on WOTW2, specifically Ashley and Rogan.
if they want to stop people from coasting to the end, putting last place straight to elimination or having a purge would be a far better solution than this god awful skull twist.
Last place is such an easy solution that it's absurd--if you compete well you shouldn't need to go in if your political game is good
Exactly!!!
The one voting format i always liked was Cutthroats, and i also always really liked the unpredictableness of Free Agents with the kill card
All good. Exes to me was the best. Last Place goes in and the team that won picked the opponent.
WOTW1 is the sort of format they should've kept IMO. Tribunal or house vote sends one player in, they get to choose anyone they want as their opponent. Keeps politics and betrayals whilst also ensures nobody is untouchable all season.
Anything with a tribunal doesn't work for me
No ******* tribunal, no skulls, last place goes in.
If we got all those, I would've care what the rest of the format includes cause at least the eliminations would be good. Throw in a numerous team format (teams of four, or a few teams of eight), and I'll call it perfect.
can they cast more of those messy UK people? i know there's more out there they just want eye candy over messiness at this point
i hate secret voting honestly, i like public voting like total madness minus the skull twist.
We get it, you like how the show used to be but its never going to be that way again, time to stop living in the past.
lol I'm the opposite - Double Agents has been the most entertaining out of the four for me. It has less of a 'dark' vibe compared to the WOTW seasons.
I like both ways, but I do agree that public voting without a skull twist is much more entertaining.
Honestly I don't give a shit if the season is "fun" they are grown adults on a reality show, I'll take drama, gameplay and competition over fun anyday.
Disagree, seeing them have fun makes it fun for me. Watching the older seasons and seeing the fun parties made it light and enjoyable. Now it's just dark, watching people be miserable isn't good tv imo. But misery loves company, so I guess miserable people enjoy it lol.
I don't care about the filler, I watch for things that matter like drama, competition, gameplay, etc.
Tbh this is the best vote scenario if it weren't for red skulls. Have the house vote first in a secret vote, then go to the elimination and have the winners vote right there. It could make for some power matchups and power moves. However, that only works without the skull twist.
Hoping Laurel makes her come back.. Hoping Cara comes too... Just so Laurel can send her home a 3rd time.
I've stayed away since Vendettas, that might have been my last full season. There's definitely some people on here that ***** about the show but still religiously watch it. Lol I couldn't do it.
honestly drop skulls and return the duel format if next season isn't teams. hopefully the current format returns later down the line (w/o skulls) though
i only like them having fun when they get drunk and start fighting.
once we get a season with nobody from RW or RR I will be like you lol, think i've held on just because i've been watching forever and they keep giving me hope bringing back one ir two old schoolers every so often (but not often enough or the quantities I'd prefer lol)
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