Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
But we've always had girls like that. If anythign the complaint would be not having team challenges so we have less winners
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
But we've always had girls like that. If anythign the complaint would be not having team challenges so we have less winners
Also, Kailah wasn't THAT good
Kailah was arguably better in her first couple seasons than Cara & Camila were and they both won multiple seasons as they became vets. I think what was trying to be said was had the casting remained at a similar level Kailah could have taken over as a main female and been a champ, same with others like Kam & Tori but it's a lot more difficult when there's pro athletes with them now. All CM & Camilla really had to worry about was Laurel coming back every once in a while
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
But we've always had girls like that. If anythign the complaint would be not having team challenges so we have less winners
Also, Kailah wasn't THAT good
Kailah was arguably better in her first couple seasons than Cara & Camila were and they both won multiple seasons as they became vets. I think what was trying to be said was had the casting remained at a similar level Kailah could have taken over as a main female and been a champ, same with others like Kam & Tori but it's a lot more difficult when there's pro athletes with them now. All CM & Camilla really had to worry about was Laurel coming back every once in a while
name ONE impressive feat kailah has done on this show, her elimination wins are trash and the one final she got to she was embarrassing
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
exactly lol, didn't think someone had to break it down for others to understand
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
But we've always had girls like that. If anythign the complaint would be not having team challenges so we have less winners
Also, Kailah wasn't THAT good
Kailah was arguably better in her first couple seasons than Cara & Camila were and they both won multiple seasons as they became vets. I think what was trying to be said was had the casting remained at a similar level Kailah could have taken over as a main female and been a champ, same with others like Kam & Tori but it's a lot more difficult when there's pro athletes with them now. All CM & Camilla really had to worry about was Laurel coming back every once in a while
name ONE impressive feat kailah has done on this show, her elimination wins are trash and the one final she got to she was embarrassing
kailah was definitely one of the more upper-tier competitors back then cause they were casting simone, latoya, marie, nicole, jemmye etc. but i mean you could say the same for girls like laurel who've beaten similar or weaker girls in their prime.
name ONE impressive feat kailah has done on this show, her elimination wins are trash and the one final she got to she was embarrassing
This was my thinking--I don't remember ever being "impressed" with Kailah. Camila was always impressive as a competitor. Cara was considered the top girl by some on FM2 and the first pick over Laurel but, yes, she slowly grew into being a winner. Kailah COULD have but I never saw Kailah as someone that WOULD win. I would have expected Jenna to win first honestly.
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
Yea but Natalie is a normal person, she just does crossfit like a majority of the mtv challengers. Why is it always a detriment to have athletic women but for the men that's all people care about. No one wants a Davie or a Adam Klein from Survivor but those same people want Jemmye and Michelle(survivor)..
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
Yea but Natalie is a normal person, she just does crossfit like a majority of the mtv challengers. Why is it always a detriment to have athletic women but for the men that's all people care about. No one wants a Davie or a Adam Klein from Survivor but those same people want Jemmye and Michelle(survivor)..
I want strong men and women. We just desperately need some strong guys at this point.
Kailah was one of the girls I thought would have a challenge win by now... she started off with so much promise nowadays im meh on her. But I wouldnt mind her back as she'll be a lot better than a lot of these irrevelant filler contestants they seem to be bringing from anywhere.
it's too many girls who'd be champions by now or have multiple final appearances had they not bought in these jenny's, ninja's & natalie anderson's.
Ninja and Natalie haven't won themselves lol Who are they blocking from winning...
They were saying that bringing in these athletes in versus people who were once normal people (real worlders) makes it harder for them.
Yea but Natalie is a normal person, she just does crossfit like a majority of the mtv challengers. Why is it always a detriment to have athletic women but for the men that's all people care about. No one wants a Davie or a Adam Klein from Survivor but those same people want Jemmye and Michelle(survivor)..
1. because the athletic stronger women they do cast are very boring, and the only thing they do is make sure the more entertaining women go out the door faster.
2. this show has never been built off casting more athletic women, yes it got it's laurel, evelyn, cara, rachel throughout it's eras but it was better to watch these girls grow into good competitors rather than just be bred off another show and thrown onto this show to dominate. it's unfair to the girls like tori, kam, jenna etc. who came and evolved season after season just to get it crushed by a competition bot like jenny.
3. it makes things predictable, the free agents final was nany, laurel & devyn. looking at it clearly laurel would get the win, but you'd be shocked to look back and see that nany was only one minute away from being a challenge champion. now, if you throw jenny, kam and tori in a final it's just "oh might as well not watch, jenny's winning."
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
exactly lol, like what's stopping you guys from watching football or something. it's on every sunday around 12, try it out.
Yea but Natalie is a normal person, she just does crossfit like a majority of the mtv challengers. Why is it always a detriment to have athletic women but for the men that's all people care about. No one wants a Davie or a Adam Klein from Survivor but those same people want Jemmye and Michelle(survivor)..
Most challenge girls didn't do crossfit before they were on the challenge though. Like someone else said I'd rather an average person be thrown on and then develop into a strong compeitor rather than them going out and grabbing an olympian and taking the best athlete from every show(Nat, Kaycee, Jenny) who are most likely going to come on and dominate and take out the people who have been getting better but will never be at that same level. Someone like Cara may have never even been to a gym before fresh meat and we got to see her become a top tier competitor. We used to get to see Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. take several seasons to get better and finally win. Even Emily and Laurel took a few seasons to win but now Jenny, Kaycee & Natalie come in and they're the favourites right away. And they've literally stopped doing the same for the guys, everyone knows Turbo & Theo are in a different league to most of these guys but they don't want them on because they want to pretend CT & Bananas are still good
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
The producers brought in Ninja to compete with Cara but what they didn't consider is how put off the fans would be from her because of how annoying she was. Kailah could have won by now but she doesn't prooritize the show anymore and the show doesn't priotize her anymore too. They love people that will make their show look more like a sport.
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
exactly lol, like what's stopping you guys from watching football or something. it's on every sunday around 12, try it out.
Some of us do watch football every Sunday (Monday Thursday and Saturday too during the fall) and we want see real competition in this as well. This is like me telling you to watch The Bachelor or AYTO because you're focused on drama. Also the example of Nany and Devyn making the final in Free Agents hurts not helps your argument. If Nany doesn't get off the bike she might win. And Reilly of all people crushed Zach. We've always had women that were far better athletes. You just don't like the current ones apparently. The show was better 15 years ago but people can't behave that way now and expect to have a career after the show.
The only final I could've ever seen Kailah winning was Invasion. And I don't think she's bad, but there's no particular season where I think she had the potential to wash any of the women in a final.
But, the most unpredictable moments have been Ashley winning twice, and one of them prevented Slyvia from entering the champion pool, and that would've been surprising.
Honestly Ashley Natalie Sylvia and Marie all made a final in a season in which other teams included Brad/Kyle Nelson/Shane and John/Tony. Adding these women isn't a problem. The others just need to train. Hell Amber M made it far and Big T Nany & Aneesa are still in the game this season. Amber B too. Smaller girls can still do very well.
Honestly Ashley Natalie Sylvia and Marie all made a final in a season in which other teams included Brad/Kyle Nelson/Shane and John/Tony. Adding these women isn't a problem. The others just need to train. Hell Amber M made it far and Big T Nany & Aneesa are still in the game this season. Amber B too. Smaller girls can still do very well.
Yea people like to jump to the extreme but that argument doesn't hold up.. Laurel/Cara/Ninja/Jenny were just on WOTW2 and none of them won.. Lolo Jones was on this season and she didn't win.. This isn't just a straightforward competition show. Anything can happen.
Truth be told, Laurel should not be in the same category as the athletes/crossfit junkies. Laurel's age is catching up to her, and she doesn't work out. I personally don't see Laurel as a front runner anymore.
Truth be told, Laurel should not be in the same category as the athletes/crossfit junkies. Laurel's age is catching up to her, and she doesn't work out. I personally don't see Laurel as a front runner anymore.
She basically tied Ninja in a climbing elimination on her last elimination, so I don't think there's any reason to write her off based on what we've seen on TV. I didn't even realize she was almost 36 though, so it is likely her best days are behind her. Hopefully she can come back and give us one last good run
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
exactly lol, like what's stopping you guys from watching football or something. it's on every sunday around 12, try it out.
Some of us do watch football every Sunday (Monday Thursday and Saturday too during the fall) and we want see real competition in this as well. This is like me telling you to watch The Bachelor or AYTO because you're focused on drama. Also the example of Nany and Devyn making the final in Free Agents hurts not helps your argument. If Nany doesn't get off the bike she might win. And Reilly of all people crushed Zach. We've always had women that were far better athletes. You just don't like the current ones apparently. The show was better 15 years ago but people can't behave that way now and expect to have a career after the show.
This show was built on drama and average competitors doing silly games and fun comps, it was never a serious competition show. They are trying that now and it's an absolute snooze fest. Go back to the team formats and get rid of the skulls so that the Nanys, Big Ts, and Kailahs have a chance. If they are continuing with skulls and this boring individual format than every competior needs to be on Kaycee and Jenny's level or else it's pointless. But good luck with the show surviving if that's the case.
i agree the casting should be more varied but it's funny to say things like "good luck on the show surviving" when it's the number 1 show on Wednesdays with a near perfect demo rating.
no matter what we think or they think people still be watching
I hate the skull twist as well but a lot of the people *****ing about it are the same ones that ***** when people they don't like avoid eliminations. You can't have it both ways.
I think I'm the only one that doesn't hate Kaycee. She's harmless.
But we've always had girls like that. If anythign the complaint would be not having team challenges so we have less winners
Also, Kailah wasn't THAT good
Kailah was arguably better in her first couple seasons than Cara & Camila were and they both won multiple seasons as they became vets. I think what was trying to be said was had the casting remained at a similar level Kailah could have taken over as a main female and been a champ, same with others like Kam & Tori but it's a lot more difficult when there's pro athletes with them now. All CM & Camilla really had to worry about was Laurel coming back every once in a while
Are you referring to Survivor?
name ONE impressive feat kailah has done on this show, her elimination wins are trash and the one final she got to she was embarrassing
exactly lol, didn't think someone had to break it down for others to understand
kailah was definitely one of the more upper-tier competitors back then cause they were casting simone, latoya, marie, nicole, jemmye etc. but i mean you could say the same for girls like laurel who've beaten similar or weaker girls in their prime.
This was my thinking--I don't remember ever being "impressed" with Kailah. Camila was always impressive as a competitor. Cara was considered the top girl by some on FM2 and the first pick over Laurel but, yes, she slowly grew into being a winner. Kailah COULD have but I never saw Kailah as someone that WOULD win. I would have expected Jenna to win first honestly.
Yea but Natalie is a normal person, she just does crossfit like a majority of the mtv challengers. Why is it always a detriment to have athletic women but for the men that's all people care about. No one wants a Davie or a Adam Klein from Survivor but those same people want Jemmye and Michelle(survivor)..
I want strong men and women. We just desperately need some strong guys at this point.
1. because the athletic stronger women they do cast are very boring, and the only thing they do is make sure the more entertaining women go out the door faster.
2. this show has never been built off casting more athletic women, yes it got it's laurel, evelyn, cara, rachel throughout it's eras but it was better to watch these girls grow into good competitors rather than just be bred off another show and thrown onto this show to dominate. it's unfair to the girls like tori, kam, jenna etc. who came and evolved season after season just to get it crushed by a competition bot like jenny.
3. it makes things predictable, the free agents final was nany, laurel & devyn. looking at it clearly laurel would get the win, but you'd be shocked to look back and see that nany was only one minute away from being a challenge champion. now, if you throw jenny, kam and tori in a final it's just "oh might as well not watch, jenny's winning."
If you want to watch athletes be boring and do athlete shit there's like 7 ninja warrior and titan shows out there. Give me Katies, Beths, and Tinas. This show was so much better when it was average competitors with big personalities competing in fun missions.
exactly lol, like what's stopping you guys from watching football or something. it's on every sunday around 12, try it out.
Most challenge girls didn't do crossfit before they were on the challenge though. Like someone else said I'd rather an average person be thrown on and then develop into a strong compeitor rather than them going out and grabbing an olympian and taking the best athlete from every show(Nat, Kaycee, Jenny) who are most likely going to come on and dominate and take out the people who have been getting better but will never be at that same level. Someone like Cara may have never even been to a gym before fresh meat and we got to see her become a top tier competitor. We used to get to see Cara, Sarah, Paula, etc. take several seasons to get better and finally win. Even Emily and Laurel took a few seasons to win but now Jenny, Kaycee & Natalie come in and they're the favourites right away. And they've literally stopped doing the same for the guys, everyone knows Turbo & Theo are in a different league to most of these guys but they don't want them on because they want to pretend CT & Bananas are still good
The producers brought in Ninja to compete with Cara but what they didn't consider is how put off the fans would be from her because of how annoying she was. Kailah could have won by now but she doesn't prooritize the show anymore and the show doesn't priotize her anymore too. They love people that will make their show look more like a sport.
Some of us do watch football every Sunday (Monday Thursday and Saturday too during the fall) and we want see real competition in this as well. This is like me telling you to watch The Bachelor or AYTO because you're focused on drama. Also the example of Nany and Devyn making the final in Free Agents hurts not helps your argument. If Nany doesn't get off the bike she might win. And Reilly of all people crushed Zach. We've always had women that were far better athletes. You just don't like the current ones apparently. The show was better 15 years ago but people can't behave that way now and expect to have a career after the show.
The only final I could've ever seen Kailah winning was Invasion. And I don't think she's bad, but there's no particular season where I think she had the potential to wash any of the women in a final.
But, the most unpredictable moments have been Ashley winning twice, and one of them prevented Slyvia from entering the champion pool, and that would've been surprising.
Honestly Ashley Natalie Sylvia and Marie all made a final in a season in which other teams included Brad/Kyle Nelson/Shane and John/Tony. Adding these women isn't a problem. The others just need to train. Hell Amber M made it far and Big T Nany & Aneesa are still in the game this season. Amber B too. Smaller girls can still do very well.
Yea people like to jump to the extreme but that argument doesn't hold up.. Laurel/Cara/Ninja/Jenny were just on WOTW2 and none of them won.. Lolo Jones was on this season and she didn't win.. This isn't just a straightforward competition show. Anything can happen.
Truth be told, Laurel should not be in the same category as the athletes/crossfit junkies. Laurel's age is catching up to her, and she doesn't work out. I personally don't see Laurel as a front runner anymore.
She basically tied Ninja in a climbing elimination on her last elimination, so I don't think there's any reason to write her off based on what we've seen on TV. I didn't even realize she was almost 36 though, so it is likely her best days are behind her. Hopefully she can come back and give us one last good run
This show was built on drama and average competitors doing silly games and fun comps, it was never a serious competition show. They are trying that now and it's an absolute snooze fest. Go back to the team formats and get rid of the skulls so that the Nanys, Big Ts, and Kailahs have a chance. If they are continuing with skulls and this boring individual format than every competior needs to be on Kaycee and Jenny's level or else it's pointless. But good luck with the show surviving if that's the case.
Personality > athletic ability all day
Would much rather have people like Sammie, Kenya, Nilsa, or Tovah to strong but dull girls like Jenny and Kaycee.
Also I REALLY ******* HOPE there's no skull twist next season
I don't need to see Kaycee or Jenny back but I want Cydney from Survivor and Louis from CvP <3
i agree the casting should be more varied but it's funny to say things like "good luck on the show surviving" when it's the number 1 show on Wednesdays with a near perfect demo rating.
no matter what we think or they think people still be watching
some of y'all camped out in the ratings thread hoping for it to flop only too see nothing but green boxes lol. it's time to get out the VHS tapes baby
I hate the skull twist as well but a lot of the people *****ing about it are the same ones that ***** when people they don't like avoid eliminations. You can't have it both ways.
I think I'm the only one that doesn't hate Kaycee. She's harmless.
id much rather have michael yerger than people like Nam and Meechie. Literslly no one can be worse than Meechie such a flop
What is up with Clint and Tovah not being put on this show?! Clint has a huge IG following and isn't that one of the factors these days?
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