The Challenge: Total Madness Discussion (SPOILERS)

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7 wins in 20 seasons isn't that impressive tho. Sure it's a record but still he's lost 13 times which is one of the most losses in show history as well. 

At the same time, if someone were to do that many seasons, they are bound to have the most amount of losses.. just look at people who have done just half of the seasons Johnny has and still have 0-1 wins.. they aren't on pace to catch him any time soon. CT, Wes, Cara, Leroy, they have done 10+ seasons by now and they don't even have half the number of wins. 

Bananas is by far the luckiest guy when it comes to wins though, plus the help from production too. Every single win can be discredited in some way. Then there's people on the other side who have terrible "luck" and should probably have more wins than they do.

Island: Would have been gone in episode 2 if Abram didn't beg to be voted out, and he still barely made it through

Ruins: Team was way too stacked, plus he would have had to face (and most likely lost to) Brad if he didn't DQ since he was DEK's *****

Rivals: I mean he finished the final over half an hour slower than Kenny & Wes overall, he straight up didn't win this one. Plus Adam threw the elimination and still only lost by seconds

Exes: Mark threw the elimination, but nice job beating CT in the final

FA: Suspiciously given the wall climbing elimination against Jordan when that wasn't what the rotation should have been. Obviously that's Jordan's fault there too

Rivals 3: Literally cheated by using pills to stay up during the night portion which gave him more points. Plus the joke of competition that season

You're wrong about the island, Abe went in to that elimination because he knew he needed to go home, he was working with John and Derrick that season and that's why the three of them went in, to help the alliance. If they don't know they have the votes beforehand, Johnny wouldnt have been on the block like that. These people have made lots of money doing this, they are not dumb individuals. If you want to show that he got lucky on the Island, you're going about it the wrong way. 

 

And for the Free Agents bit, they DID move the wrecking wall elimination a week, but you're assuming their intent was to help Bananas. Jordan vs swift was supposed to be the wall but it was likely changed due to Jordan's hand, he then went in again the week after on his own knowing it was the wall. Production didn't give him that elimination, they went OUT OF THEIR WAY NOT to give him the wall, he gave it to himself.

 

You people are SO quick to take away from the accomplishments of those you dislike that it's honsestly pathetic, only to make up these fantasies twisting real facts so you can try to convince yourselves that Nelson should be a champ (or it's all a meme, I never really got a real answer to the Nelson/CT invasion 'controversy'). I don't even like John but I feel like I have to step in and debunk your bullshit list of 'facts' showing how lucky he had been because your post is a flat out misrepresentation of what actually happened.

Seriously? He was lucky because he 'probably' would have lost to Brad in some bizarre stick kicking competition that could be anyone's game? You're talking completely out of tour *** and it's clear to anyone with half a brain and a decent knowledge of the show's history. 

 

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How do u not understand the Nelson/Ct controversy. There is nobody who can watch that final and say nelson didnt win without lying

 

 

And we're being delusional if we think that producers are playing by the rules, they probably don't even actually add up the times during the timed finals, just pick whoever they want. Final reckoning was proof of that, unless it's just a coincidence that the person who won was the ONLY person who told producers they would steal when asked ended up winning and beating her partner who seemed to be doing better

Oh there's no probably to it, that's exactly what they do. 

Notice how these Johnny stans be quick to take away Ashley's two wins in a heartbeat but turn around & play that "YoU gUys JUsT DoN't LiKe JoHnnY" whining game like they claim everybody else is doing.

The gag is its likely they probably did b/c Ashley is willing to play production's game for good TV just like Johnny is; people who REALLY have sense can see that & have no problem admitting that. 

you are generalizing off of one person contradicting themselves though 

Nah it's been a good chunk of viewers (here, Reddit, social media, etc.) who put the blinders on when it's time to gargle Johnny's ********* after a "win" to scream from the rooftops in the same breath that Ashley doesn't deserve to be a champion. Plenty.

I'll admit I MUCH prefer Millionaire Mitchell over the trash but do I also think Joss & Sylvia were robbed of that win? You bet your *** I do.

 

 

MTV gave Nelson a puzzle elimination didn't they

Rigged him out the game so the Banana could win

lol

If nelson is too dumb to do a puzzle then he wouldn't have won in the first place lol

I love how people hate the fact that Backpack won but not too long ago people was acting like he was "not so bad" I mean ain't this what y'all wanted?

If we look at the overall percentage of winning 7 out of 20 is not that impressive or a high percentage .

The impressive part is doing 9 finals and winning 7 of them.

Personally I blame Wes' flop ***. The so called mastermind and his fake anti bananas storyline couldnt even send him home one on one. First the loss to bear now this, he should just stay home.

Jennifer Lee went around thinking the challenge house was American Next Top Model house and talking about losing weight to try out for it. Going around telling the guys that the girls were bullying her and jealous of her playing victim. I hope they dont edit out her big fight with Dee.

I lowkey think I am going to like her messy stuck up *** during her 2 episodes lol

We stan a crackhead early boot. Their delusion is our entertainment>>>>

Jennifer Lee went around thinking the challenge house was American Next Top Model house and talking about losing weight to try out for it. Going around telling the guys that the girls were bullying her and jealous of her playing victim. I hope they dont edit out her big fight with Dee.

I lowkey think I am going to like her messy stuck up *** dyring her 2 episodes lol

Sounds like she was useful. Awesome.

Who’s the last episode 1/2 boot crackhead we’ve had? 

Who’s the last episode 1/2 boot crackhead we’ve had? 

Queen Shauvon and Queen Bird

Jennifer Lee went around thinking the challenge house was American Next Top Model house and talking about losing weight to try out for it. Going around telling the guys that the girls were bullying her and jealous of her playing victim. I hope they dont edit out her big fight with Dee.

I lowkey think I am going to like her messy stuck up *** dyring her 2 episodes lol

lmaoooo I already know I'm gonna like her

They really gave Jordan a pole wrestling elimination? LOLA THATS SO messed up lol they definitely threw bananas a bone there for him to win the final.

 

Jennifer Lee went around thinking the challenge house was American Next Top Model house and talking about losing weight to try out for it. Going around telling the guys that the girls were bullying her and jealous of her playing victim. I hope they dont edit out her big fight with Dee.

I lowkey think I am going to like her messy stuck up *** during her 2 episodes lol

Sounds like the casuals are gonna hate on her lol

^ they're not gonna remember her name 

Jennifer Lee went around thinking the challenge house was American Next Top Model house and talking about losing weight to try out for it. Going around telling the guys that the girls were bullying her and jealous of her playing victim. I hope they dont edit out her big fight with Dee.

I lowkey think I am going to like her messy stuck up *** during her 2 episodes lol

Doing everything she can to get that call back. Lol I'm interested in seeing her this season.

Cmon Jennifer Reeves we love a entertaining early boot 

Hopefully Asaf brought the same energy.. I've been a huge advocate for him and Gio to join The Challenge.. AYTO4 was such a great season, they need more reps. 

Do we know if Kyle was close or did bananas blow out all the guys

Hopefully Asaf brought the same energy.. I've been a huge advocate for him and Gio to join The Challenge.. AYTO4 was such a great season, they need more reps. 

 

 

 

MTV gave Nelson a puzzle elimination didn't they

Rigged him out the game so the Banana could win

lol

If nelson is too dumb to do a puzzle then he wouldn't have won in the first place lol

Kyle got second place and he couldn't do basic math in final reckoning and Jenny won and she's def not the brightest 

People still think this show isn't rigged after watching that Devin/Cory elimination in final reckoning lmmmmmaoooo

People still think this show isn't rigged after watching that Devin/Cory elimination in final reckoning lmmmmmaoooo

If we look at the overall percentage of winning 7 out of 20 is not that impressive or a high percentage .

The impressive part is doing 9 finals and winning 7 of them.

What was the other final Bananas lost besides Rivals 2?

 

If we look at the overall percentage of winning 7 out of 20 is not that impressive or a high percentage .

The impressive part is doing 9 finals and winning 7 of them.

What was the other final Bananas lost besides Rivals 2?

Inferno 3

 

 

If we look at the overall percentage of winning 7 out of 20 is not that impressive or a high percentage .

The impressive part is doing 9 finals and winning 7 of them.

What was the other final Bananas lost besides Rivals 2?

Inferno 3

Thank you. I couldn't think of it for anything 

People still think this show isn't rigged after watching that Devin/Cory elimination in final reckoning lmmmmmaoooo

I just try to remember that most humans in 2019 going into 2020 are delayed/slow/lacking like shit & sometimes it's not even their fault.... their parents were the same way. Lol Lol Lol

Like that Stormfront skeet swallower who calls itself Warrick for example.....his father is also his uncle so you just have to pray for them & hope something clicks one day. :/

People still think this show isn't rigged after watching that Devin/Cory elimination in final reckoning lmmmmmaoooo

That one was indeed as suspect as they come

People still think this show isn't rigged after watching that Devin/Cory elimination in final reckoning lmmmmmaoooo

When Da'Vonne and Amanda said they tried to pull the rings off the rope afterwards and it wouldn't budge LMAO. Production did my girls so dirty smh.

At first I was disappointed Kam and Davonne declined this season but good for them. Their decision was right, with the conditions of the bunker and only first place earning money. We love intuitive queens.

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