The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion) - Part II

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richjoe92 wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:

KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

How are y'all already discrediting? At least let it air first so we can see how they actually perform.

Slayvia2370 wrote:

richjoe92 wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:
KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

that happens every season. wow. earth shattering analysis there.

richjoe92 wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:

KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

Littleitaly wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:

richjoe92 wrote:
Slayvia2370 wrote:
KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

that happens every season. wow. earth shattering analysis there.

Every season twice eliminated people reach the final? Plz show me those stats. I was pointing out a flaw in the argument about not being average but being in a final. Miss me with your bullshit thanks 

Daddy DAF wrote:

Littleitaly wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
Slayvia2370 wrote:
KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

that happens every season. wow. earth shattering analysis there.

Every season twice eliminated people reach the final? Plz show me those stats. I was pointing out a flaw in the argument about not being average but being in a final. Miss me with your bullshit thanks 

I think hes talking about average teams get further than other better teams. Like how Jay/Jenna were in the exes 2 final. Yet no one discredits the other 4 competitors.....

Littleitaly wrote:

Daddy DAF wrote:

Littleitaly wrote:
Slayvia2370 wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
Slayvia2370 wrote:
KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

that happens every season. wow. earth shattering analysis there.

Every season twice eliminated people reach the final? Plz show me those stats. I was pointing out a flaw in the argument about not being average but being in a final. Miss me with your bullshit thanks 

I think hes talking about average teams get further than other better teams. Like how Jay/Jenna were in the exes 2 final. Yet no one discredits the other 4 competitors.....

in fact people put jenna up on a pedestal. Guess what people say about being white and blonde is true.  Yikes. 

Daddy DAF wrote:

Littleitaly wrote:

Slayvia2370 wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
Slayvia2370 wrote:
KChallenge10 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

She's far from above. Average at best.

average enough to get second in the final. But kay

considering that one of the final 4 teams has already been eliminated TWICE I think we can go ahead and acknowledge that this seasons format means yeah average teams have the potential to outlast good competitors 

that happens every season. wow. earth shattering analysis there.

Every season twice eliminated people reach the final? Plz show me those stats. I was pointing out a flaw in the argument about not being average but being in a final. Miss me with your bullshit thanks 

i was more or less referring to average teams/competitors outlasting good  competitors. its nothing new. 

alright guys, jenna and jay made the final time to discredit leroy/nia (theresa) and sarah/jordan. 

littlepenis with that expert analysis. thank you for that. anything else 

This season it’s so boring. Everyone have no storyline except Cara, Faith, Kyle and Paulie. And for me that’s love between CM and Kyle is not that real. This shit is ruining the challenge and it’s sad that next season will not be without them 

This season it’s so boring. Everyone have no storyline except Cara, Faith, Kyle and Paulie. And for me that’s love between CM and Kyle is not that real. This shit is ruining the challenge and it’s sad that next season will not be without them 

I agree and what is going on now with Cara & Paulie is not believable. It is for storyline & next season. I guess Paulie will do the same to her as Kyle or they "break up" before finale so they can talk about it.  I am shocked that his bachelor gf Danielle is going along with this. A vacation to Mexico is not enough to deal with them on scoial media everyday.

 

KChallenge10 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

richjoe92 wrote:
imallergic wrote:
MTVInsider wrote:The next elimination is between Tori & Derrick and Joss & Sylvia. Tori & Derrick got the most house votes and chose to go against Joss/Sylvia. 

I bet you Tori thinks she's invincible and thinks "I'm sure I can handle Sylvia" LOL 

Sylvia aint that good.But I'm glad Tori's ego is gonna get deflated.

Finally someone said this. Don't get me wrong Sylvia isnt a terrible comeptitior but people act like she is this ******* beast...she isn't.

Love Sylvia but I agree or at least think she hasn't proven to be good. 

i think she's an above average competitor that doesn't get the credit she deserves. I've never said she was a beast tho. 

Anyways, we know plenty of ppl will hop on the #Slayvia train as the seasons airs. 

HonestTea101 wrote:

How tf hasn't she proved to be good? She won 4 eliminations and her match up with Melissa was amazing and super entertaining. 

the kailah and Melissa elims were impressive no one is taking that away from her but Latoya basically gave up so that one isn’t wow. Also no one is saying she isn’t good but she’s not a beast and not above average. She is average in the scope of the challenge overall- the current female group are so competitively challenged and subpar that she just looks good in comparison. 

if sylvia was a male, theyd be getting a lot more hype from some people.

HonestTea101 wrote:

How tf hasn't she proved to be good? She won 4 eliminations and her match up with Melissa was amazing and super entertaining. 

the kailah and Melissa elims were impressive no one is taking that away from her but Latoya basically gave up so that one isn’t wow. Also no one is saying she isn’t good but she’s not a beast and not above average. She is average in the scope of the challenge overall- the current female group are so competitively challenged and subpar that she just looks good in comparison. 

Jenna's story all day.

Littleitaly wrote:

HonestTea101 wrote:How tf hasn't she proved to be good? She won 4 eliminations and her match up with Melissa was amazing and super entertaining. 

the kailah and Melissa elims were impressive no one is taking that away from her but Latoya basically gave up so that one isn’t wow. Also no one is saying she isn’t good but she’s not a beast and not above average. She is average in the scope of the challenge overall- the current female group are so competitively challenged and subpar that she just looks good in comparison. 

Jenna's story all day.

How are y'all already discrediting? At least let it air first so we can see how they actually perform.

I'm just basing it off of what I have already seen. I think she's an average competitor who had some amazing elimination performances due to the heart she puts into them.  

There is alway room for approval, but at the very least she's consistant and never outright flops.

This is ridiculous -- Not every needs to be Laurel or Evelyn or Rachel.Sylvia is a decent competitor and pulls her weight.

No, not everyone needs to be Laurel, Ev, or Rachel, but that's the bar in terms of above average competitors and she's not there. she's average, which is not bad since all these girls are average.

Littleitaly wrote:

HonestTea101 wrote:How tf hasn't she proved to be good? She won 4 eliminations and her match up with Melissa was amazing and super entertaining. 

the kailah and Melissa elims were impressive no one is taking that away from her but Latoya basically gave up so that one isn’t wow. Also no one is saying she isn’t good but she’s not a beast and not above average. She is average in the scope of the challenge overall- the current female group are so competitively challenged and subpar that she just looks good in comparison. 

Agreed. Wasn't Sylvia constantly one of the weakest girls on Invasion? I remember her team thinking that. I'd say she's average too but I feel like we havn't seen as much of her so maybe that'll change this season. 

I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

it's cause they are still holding on to thinking she;s this bad *** ***** cause she choked slamed Madison, the softest chick on Real World...

InterFan wrote:

How are y'all already discrediting? At least let it air first so we can see how they actually perform.

I'm just basing it off of what I have already seen. I think she's an average competitor who had some amazing elimination performances due to the heart she puts into them.  There is alway room for approval, but at the very least she's consistant and never outright flops.

Agreed. I think she is like a female version of Derrick K. I don't think she will ever be EV or Emily status the same way I don't think Cara will ever be.  But I do think if she wanted (which I don't think she does) she could achieve Cara level of success. Same with Kailah. Same with Kam. The only one I think could is Ashley. Ashley gets far usually because of her group running things and her heart. But I do think if she would train she might be elite like Emily. I don't think she will train that way though. She likes to party and is too concerned with appearance.

richjoe92 wrote:

InterFan wrote:How are y'all already discrediting? At least let it air first so we can see how they actually perform.

I'm just basing it off of what I have already seen. I think she's an average competitor who had some amazing elimination performances due to the heart she puts into them.  There is alway room for approval, but at the very least she's consistant and never outright flops.

Agreed. I think she is like a female version of Derrick K. I don't think she will ever be EV or Emily status the same way I don't think Cara will ever be.  But I do think if she wanted (which I don't think she does) she could achieve Cara level of success. Same with Kailah. Same with Kam. The only one I think could is Ashley. Ashley gets far usually because of her group running things and her heart. But I do think if she would train she might be elite like Emily. I don't think she will train that way though. She likes to party and is too concerned with appearance.

TBH, with her alliance, all she gotta do is train enough to not be last like she's been doing and she should consistantly make it far.

Debut Album wrote:

I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

it's cause they are still holding on to thinking she;s this bad *** ***** cause she choked slamed Madison, the softest chick on Real World...

idk who does that cuz I sure don't. But kay.  

I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

Think it's bias. People like Sylvia which = she's a beast/above average. Just like people that aren't well liked on here are seen as not good/average. She's one of my faves too but she hasn't shown to be more than average in my opinion. 

Debut Album wrote:

I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

Think it's bias. People like Sylvia which = she's a beast/above average. Just like people that aren't well liked on here are seen as not good/average. She's one of my faves too but she hasn't shown to be more than average in my opinion. 

That's true. I mean look at her eliminations...People tout that shit but Nelson is undefeated in them yet people shit all over him.(Well Not outright shitted all over..he does have his fans but he don't get enough praise like Sylvia does).

 

Sylvia has heart and physical strength (as seen in her elimination against Melissa). She’s not a Cara Maria or an Evelyn but she’s no Casey either. I agree that she is average with a lot of potential but IF Tori thought Sylvia would be an easy win, That would be foolish of her as it seems like a fair battle between the two. Idk why Tori/Derrick would choose to go against Syl/Joss unless Derrick wanted to go against one of the strongest guys 

KChallenge10 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:I don't know why people are getting so offended. Noone is saying she sucks but she has only preformed at a average level and is not in any way elite or even above average and  that's fine. It's not about race and it's not about being a man or woman either...Although I bet you if she was a man she wouldn't have so much support.

Think it's bias. People like Sylvia which = she's a beast/above average. Just like people that aren't well liked on here are seen as not good/average. She's one of my faves too but she hasn't shown to be more than average in my opinion. 

That's true. I mean look at her eliminations...People tout that shit but Nelson is undefeated in them yet people shit all over him.(Well Not outright shitted all over..he does have his fans but he don't get enough praise like Sylvia does). 

I think the Nelson hate is purely his personality and nothing to do with his record. He’s proven that can do well in a final and even went head to head with Darrell, he’s just a little slow when it comes to puzzles and super emotional lol 

also he’s not undefeated cause Rivals 3 

Sylvia has heart and physical strength (as seen in her elimination against Melissa). She’s not a Cara Maria or an Evelyn but she’s no Casey either. I agree that she is average with a lot of potential but IF Tori thought Sylvia would be an easy win, That would be foolish of her as it seems like a fair battle between the two. Idk why Tori/Derrick would choose to go against Syl/Joss unless Derrick wanted to go against one of the strongest guys 

Think we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe the other options weren't very good either. I'd chose them over other teams like Zach/Amanda and all the guy/guy teams. 

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