The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion) - Part II

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deeper wrote:

richjoe92 wrote:

deeper wrote:
pandawho wrote:How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Elite: Joss, ZachHigh Tier: Brad, CT, NelsonAbove Average: Hunter, Bananas, Shane, TonyAverage: Devin, Cory, KyleBelow Average: Derrick H, JozeaUnproven: Paulie, Chuck  Elite: Cara MariaHigh Tier: AshleyAbove Average: Natalie, Kailah, Sylvia, Tori, Jenna, Kam, AmandaAverage: Melissa, Veronica, Marie, BritniBelow average: Jemmye, KayleighUnproven: Faith, Angela, Day

I would bump down Veronica to below average. I do think Britini and Marie are better competitors than Veronica. I don't recal seeing much of Melissa, so I'd put her on average based on her eliminations. I'd also bump down Sylvia and Kam (despite her elimination record) to average.I'd omit Elite tier and just have High Tier with just Cara and move Ashley into above average with Natalie, Kailah, Tori, and Jenna. I do think Natlie > Ashley > Tori > Jenna > Kailah in regards to the above average with a considerable gap between Tori and Jailah.  But these 5 girls with Cara are the clear front runners.I'd also put Joss and Zach in high tier with Brad, and CT and drop Nelso down to above Tier.

I agree with all those. No one is "elite" (Joss will be, trust, but not yet), but I just used that to show a gap between them and "high tier". I don't think there's a gap between Tori and Jailah. Like based on what exactly? Even Vevmo users buy into her hype a little too much. And Natalie was impressive but not that impressive where she's ranking above Tori or Jailah. She lost an elimination made for her, that alone makes her not rank 2nd best of all girls lol.

yeah, I have her around 7 which I think is fair given her performance but understanding its a small sample size and she has an elimination weakness.  

I think Natalie is going to end up being a Bananas/Diem style competitior. She's great at everything except eliminations, and extremely dangerous in a final. I think the biggest thing for Kam, Sylvia, Kailah, Natalie, Amanda etc is that we just haven't seen enough to seperate them. They're all above average and all have potential to win a final in the right circumstances.

Did I miss somethingWhy is Paulie now friends with Natalie and Day lol

Them being on this season together really helped them put their differences to the side..Natalie and paulie made up a few months back I THINK (before doing the show)..and him and Day made up either otw to film or sometime after. Paulie thought Day was gonna be his partner..I think that has something to do with it, he started following her before they left to film.

lol, they published the BB team interviews the same day as BB20 premieres. 

lol, they published the BB team interviews the same day as BB20 premieres. 

They're using the hashtag to their advantage hahaha... get them viewers

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

 

Yeezus wrote:

Did I miss somethingWhy is Paulie now friends with Natalie and Day lol

Them being on this season together really helped them put their differences to the side..Natalie and paulie made up a few months back I THINK (before doing the show)..and him and Day made up either otw to film or sometime after. Paulie thought Day was gonna be his partner..I think that has something to do with it, he started following her before they left to film.

Thats wild. Didn’t think they would ever make up after everything that happened on BB and after BB between them.

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

Mmmm.. I just don't see the point of having Veronica, Jemmye, Britni, Nicole etc on season after season. They're fine once in a while. But we have dramatic girls who can actually compete like KellyAnne and Averey sitting at home. That's what ****** everyone off.

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

nah there’s not even any great women competitors who come on the Challenge regularly.

I mean there was laurel but she’s spending her time doing podcast about killing people or whatever.

And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

Lmaoooo "It was part of my plan" thats his favorite line everything is part of a plan on his head https://twitter.com/challengemtv/status/1012078112983535617?s=21

Not Impressed. Don't know why people are gushing over this girl.

PinkRose wrote:

Lmaoooo "It was part of my plan" thats his favorite line everything is part of a plan on his head https://twitter.com/challengemtv/status/1012078112983535617?s=21

Not Impressed. Don't know why people are gushing over this girl.

It's not for you to know. 

You know the competition is weak when Cara Maria is the favorite to win every season

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

It's not overblown. None of them are worth anything in this game.

lol just kidding. I think at this point what we have are alot of girls who are either above average or just average. But there's noone that's 100% elite like say Laurel. But I do think as time goes on and these girls keep getting experience on these shows I think that some of them will be elite eventually.

And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

I think a lot of these women could be competition for Cara, the only time i think cara will definitely win is if it is heavily catered to strength final.

And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

Cara isn't that far ahead of the other girls. In Vendettas, the guys had control of almost every Troika, and didn't see her as a threat, so she never saw an elimination. But if she had, there's a chance she could have lost along the way.  She's the best overall female competitor, but most of the rest of the like top 9 have something they could beat Cara in. 

natfan42 wrote:

deeper wrote:

richjoe92 wrote:
deeper wrote:
pandawho wrote:How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Elite: Joss, ZachHigh Tier: Brad, CT, NelsonAbove Average: Hunter, Bananas, Shane, TonyAverage: Devin, Cory, KyleBelow Average: Derrick H, JozeaUnproven: Paulie, Chuck  Elite: Cara MariaHigh Tier: AshleyAbove Average: Natalie, Kailah, Sylvia, Tori, Jenna, Kam, AmandaAverage: Melissa, Veronica, Marie, BritniBelow average: Jemmye, KayleighUnproven: Faith, Angela, Day

I would bump down Veronica to below average. I do think Britini and Marie are better competitors than Veronica. I don't recal seeing much of Melissa, so I'd put her on average based on her eliminations. I'd also bump down Sylvia and Kam (despite her elimination record) to average.I'd omit Elite tier and just have High Tier with just Cara and move Ashley into above average with Natalie, Kailah, Tori, and Jenna. I do think Natlie > Ashley > Tori > Jenna > Kailah in regards to the above average with a considerable gap between Tori and Jailah.  But these 5 girls with Cara are the clear front runners.I'd also put Joss and Zach in high tier with Brad, and CT and drop Nelso down to above Tier.

I agree with all those. No one is "elite" (Joss will be, trust, but not yet), but I just used that to show a gap between them and "high tier". I don't think there's a gap between Tori and Jailah. Like based on what exactly? Even Vevmo users buy into her hype a little too much. And Natalie was impressive but not that impressive where she's ranking above Tori or Jailah. She lost an elimination made for her, that alone makes her not rank 2nd best of all girls lol.

yeah, I have her around 7 which I think is fair given her performance but understanding its a small sample size and she has an elimination weakness.  

I think Natalie is going to end up being a Bananas/Diem style competitior. She's great at everything except eliminations, and extremely dangerous in a final. I think the biggest thing for Kam, Sylvia, Kailah, Natalie, Amanda etc is that we just haven't seen enough to seperate them. They're all above average and all have potential to win a final in the right circumstances.

 if Natalie ends up being a Bananas style competitor she will be a top 3 girl challenger ever. Natalie/sylvia/kam are average competitors. sorry,but Kailah is below average.Horrible at the dailies & flopped in the final. 

BSmith27 wrote:

The one thing we (hopefully) all agree on is the female competition on the show is fine, and the narrative that most of them are weak is overblown.

It's not overblown. None of them are worth anything in this game.lol just kidding. I think at this point what we have are alot of girls who are either above average or just average. But there's noone that's 100% elite like say Laurel. But I do think as time goes on and these girls keep getting experience on these shows I think that some of them will be elite eventually.

I think im going to cry tears of joy.

deeper wrote:

And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

Cara isn't that far ahead of the other girls. In Vendettas, the guys had control of almost every Troika, and didn't see her as a threat, so she never saw an elimination. But if she had, there's a chance she could have lost along the way.  She's the best overall female competitor, but most of the rest of the like top 9 have something they could beat Cara in. 

I'm just saying there's no beast nowadays, which I think is fine. But Cara beats most of these girls just because of her experience alone. The above average girls all have major weaknesses: Kam-dailies/swimming, Kailah&Sylvia-endurance, Ashley&Amanda-strength, Natalie-eliminations/time will tell. Cara doesn't really have a weakness anymore and has turned into a puzzle machine.

natfan42 wrote:

deeper wrote:And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

Cara isn't that far ahead of the other girls. In Vendettas, the guys had control of almost every Troika, and didn't see her as a threat, so she never saw an elimination. But if she had, there's a chance she could have lost along the way.  She's the best overall female competitor, but most of the rest of the like top 9 have something they could beat Cara in. 

I'm just saying there's no beast nowadays, which I think is fine. But Cara beats most of these girls just because of her experience alone. The above average girls all have major weaknesses: Kam-dailies/swimming, Kailah&Sylvia-endurance, Ashley&Amanda-strength, Natalie-eliminations/time will tell. Cara doesn't really have a weakness anymore and has turned into a puzzle machine.

I wouldnt call her a puzzle machine... She's gotten faster, but she's still pretty slow.

deeper wrote:

natfan42 wrote:

deeper wrote:And like we kinda pointed out here.. There's a lot of "above average" girls that are kinda slowly climbing their way through the ranks and proving themselves. But I think people just say there's really no competition for Cara, which I think is true.

Cara isn't that far ahead of the other girls. In Vendettas, the guys had control of almost every Troika, and didn't see her as a threat, so she never saw an elimination. But if she had, there's a chance she could have lost along the way.  She's the best overall female competitor, but most of the rest of the like top 9 have something they could beat Cara in. 

I'm just saying there's no beast nowadays, which I think is fine. But Cara beats most of these girls just because of her experience alone. The above average girls all have major weaknesses: Kam-dailies/swimming, Kailah&Sylvia-endurance, Ashley&Amanda-strength, Natalie-eliminations/time will tell. Cara doesn't really have a weakness anymore and has turned into a puzzle machine.

I wouldnt call her a puzzle machine... She's gotten faster, but she's still pretty slow.

She did the Vendettas one in two tries I think. lol beat Bananas, etc. She's good there imo.

"The Angela I saw on clips on ex on the beach is nothing like the Angela on Final Reckoning. Thats all I am going to say"  -Kayleigh ⚰️

http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/6751759

Day >>>>>IT WAS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED!!So charismatic 

"The Angela I saw on clips on ex on the beach is nothing like the Angela on Final Reckoning. Thats all I am going to say"  -Kayleigh ⚰️http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/6751759

SCREAMING! "She knew who to try it with"

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Every time Pink posts with that Avi a Angel gains its wings! lol. LOVE IT PINK! 

Every time Pink posts with that Avi a Angel gains its wings! lol. LOVE IT PINK! 

 

Pink is validated in referring to her as Fake

PinkRose wrote:

"The Angela I saw on clips on ex on the beach is nothing like the Angela on Final Reckoning. Thats all I am going to say"  -Kayleigh ⚰️http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/6751759

SCREAMING! "She knew who to try it with"

So that basically confrimed what we already know. Angela is a weak *** *****.

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