The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion) - Part II

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Challenge 17 wrote:

The list is super biased, calling tori "one of the best female competitors in the franchise " is hilarious 

Everything was okay till that. He's drinking the same koolaid MTV is putting out  for Tori.

& Jenna lol 

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Wow Creature really toned up

I feel like dirty 30 isn't a good representation of what Tori can do since a lot of those missions were either team missions or ppl were teaming up to get out others first. All she mainly had to do was not get last and stick with the majority.

I'm surprised by the list giving Marie (and kinda Amanda) props though, that was not expected.

I feel like dirty 30 isn't a good representation of what Tori can do since a lot of those missions were either team missions or ppl were teaming up to get out others first. All she mainly had to do was not get last and stick with the majority.

Yeah that's kinda what I was trying to say. Dirty 30 and Vendettas were both super dependent on teams/partners you were put on. There were few times for females to actually prove themselves individually because a lot was dependent on the guys if we're being honest. Tori did do well on the Dirty 30 final though so I can't take that from her.

richjoe92 wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:The list is super biased, calling tori "one of the best female competitors in the franchise " is hilarious 

Everything was okay till that. He's drinking the same koolaid MTV is putting out  for Tori.

& Jenna lol 

yeah, this season might be the time to start rethinking my Jenna ranking. I had her at 3rd entering this season (behind Cara and Ash) because of her size advantage and having made 3 finals, but the last several seasons are kinda exposing her. 

pandawho wrote:

I feel like dirty 30 isn't a good representation of what Tori can do since a lot of those missions were either team missions or ppl were teaming up to get out others first. All she mainly had to do was not get last and stick with the majority.

Yeah that's kinda what I was trying to say. Dirty 30 and Vendettas were both super dependent on teams/partners you were put on. There were few times for females to actually prove themselves individually because a lot was dependent on the guys if we're being honest. Tori did do well on the Dirty 30 final though so I can't take that from her.

But I rewatched the barrell race at the beginning of dirty 30, if I were Cara and Jenna... I would've been MAD! They were 3rd and 4th until they collided with other people, which let tori and aneesa scooch by on the side.

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Omg who is this

PinkRose wrote:

Omg who is this

JC from the new BB

The Tori/Derrick pair at 3 is clearly ridiculous, but mostly because of Derrick. I'm probably going to get yelled at for this, but Tori is definitely one of the stronger girls. If she was partnered with a strong guy, I wouldn't have an issue with #3. 

How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Challenge 17 wrote:

The list is super biased, calling tori "one of the best female competitors in the franchise " is hilarious 

Everything was okay till that. He's drinking the same koolaid MTV is putting out  for Tori.

i honestly think because we had so many seasons in a row where there were little to none elite females made the fandom forget what an elite player is. Js, imagine if Tori went against Emily/Laurel/Evelyn.

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

counting politics, or JUST competitve skill? 

pandawho wrote:

How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

counting politics, or JUST competitve skill? 

Just skill wise

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

I don't like Jenna, but even I would put her in top 3 and not Kailah.

Challenge 17 wrote:

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

I don't like Jenna, but even I would put her in top 3 and not Kailah.

Shes injured 

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

I like Kailah. She is not the third best competitor among these women. 

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

Cara, Ashley, Tori and Kam are top 4 in this group in my opinion. Sylvia might get there, but she keeps getting sick or screwed over, so we never get to see how she would truly fair.

pandawho wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

I don't like Jenna, but even I would put her in top 3 and not Kailah.

Shes injured 

Oh yah I keep forgetting that haha.

Challenge 17 wrote:

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

Cara, Ashley, Tori and Kam are top 4 in this group in my opinion. Sylvia might get there, but she keeps getting sick or screwed over, so we never get to see how she would truly fair.

I had an uninjured Jenna at #3, but yeah, that's probably the others I would put in the top 5. I would also make the case for Amanda, Natalie, and Sylvia ahead of Kailah. 

For me Kam is fishy because I think she can be good on eliminations but not on daily challenges. Then someone like Naalie is the otjer way around imo

Challenge 17 wrote:

Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

Cara, Ashley, Tori and Kam are top 4 in this group in my opinion. Sylvia might get there, but she keeps getting sick or screwed over, so we never get to see how she would truly fair.

Kam is not great in missions 

Foofalina wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:Cara Ashley and Kailah are top 3, the next are more subjective 

Cara, Ashley, Tori and Kam are top 4 in this group in my opinion. Sylvia might get there, but she keeps getting sick or screwed over, so we never get to see how she would truly fair.

I had an uninjured Jenna at #3, but yeah, that's probably the others I would put in the top 5. I would also make the case for Amanda, Natalie, and Sylvia ahead of Kailah. 

But Kailah has taken out Jenna and Ashley..... I think Kailah/Ashley/Jenna/Kam/Natalie/Tori are all interchangable depending on what they're doing. 

For me Kam is fishy because I think she can be good on eliminations but not on daily challenges. Then someone like Naalie is the otjer way around imo

 

100%. Its actually why I really like these group of women. lots of different strengths and weaknesses, so its an unpredictable result. 

I think Cara is #1, and Ash #2 (although maybe I'll see something this season that flips it) A-/B+ tier.

then Jenna, Tori, Kam, Amanda, Natalie, Sylvia, and Kailah are all competitive.  B Tier.

(maybe someone else will emerge as competitive this season, but everyone else is C tier or lower.) 

That list was straight trash. 

But kings Brad and Kyle at number 1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Elite: Joss, Zach

High Tier: Brad, CT, Nelson

Above Average: Hunter, Bananas, Shane, Tony

Average: Devin, Cory, Kyle

Below Average: Derrick H, Jozea

Unproven: Paulie, Chuck

 

 Elite: Cara Maria

High Tier: Ashley

Above Average: Natalie, Kailah, Sylvia, Tori, Jenna, Kam, Amanda

Average: Melissa, Veronica, Marie, Britni

Below average: Jemmye, Kayleigh

Unproven: Faith, Angela, Day

PinkRose wrote:

For me Kam is fishy because I think she can be good on eliminations but not on daily challenges. Then someone like Naalie is the otjer way around imo

 100%. Its actually why I really like these group of women. lots of different strengths and weaknesses, so its an unpredictable result. I think Cara is #1, and Ash #2 (although maybe I'll see something this season that flips it) A-/B+ tier.then Jenna, Tori, Kam, Amanda, Natalie, Sylvia, and Kailah are all competitive.  B Tier.(maybe someone else will emerge as competitive this season, but everyone else is C tier or lower.) 

I definitely agree with everything listed here, except I would put marie with B tier, just lower B Tier. It would be such a nail biter if these girls were competing solo.

pandawho wrote:

How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Elite: Joss, ZachHigh Tier: Brad, CT, NelsonAbove Average: Hunter, Bananas, Shane, TonyAverage: Devin, Cory, KyleBelow Average: Derrick H, JozeaUnproven: Paulie, Chuck  Elite: Cara MariaTop Tier: Ashley, KamAbove Average: Natalie, Kailah, Sylvia, Tori, Jenna, AmandaAverage: Melissa, Veronica, Marie, BritniBelow average: Jemmye, KayleighUnproven: Faith, Angela, Day

But Kam is wack in challenges lol Even though Ashley won I'd still group Ashley and Kam with those other girls. 

deeper wrote:

pandawho wrote:How would y'all rank the guys and girls individually?

Elite: Joss, ZachHigh Tier: Brad, CT, NelsonAbove Average: Hunter, Bananas, Shane, TonyAverage: Devin, Cory, KyleBelow Average: Derrick H, JozeaUnproven: Paulie, Chuck  Elite: Cara MariaTop Tier: Ashley, KamAbove Average: Natalie, Kailah, Sylvia, Tori, Jenna, AmandaAverage: Melissa, Veronica, Marie, BritniBelow average: Jemmye, KayleighUnproven: Faith, Angela, Day

But Kam is wack in challenges lol Even though Ashley won I'd still group Ashley and Kam with those other girls. 

True, yeah I should move Kam lower now that I think about it. It's tough because all of the above average girls are kinda interchangable. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I think Ashley is just a step above in "top tier" because she is the total package for a final, the only thing she's lacking is strength in physical eliminations.

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