The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion) - Part II

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deeper wrote:

InterFan wrote:

deeper wrote:
InterFan wrote:Everyone always finds Cara annoying but they always stutter when asked for reasons. Its probably the whole "Shes entitled but we dont have any examples" thing again.

There's no point in really having this conversation though.. I mean if you NEVER found her annoying, then that's that. No one is gonna convince you otherwise.For me, it's just her general attitude sometimes when people go against her. She's whiney and entitled sometimes and then cries when called out on it saying she doesn't act that way. There are people way worse than her imo (Camila...), but she was pretty hard to watch on Dirty 30. I loved her on the vast majority of her seasons, but everyone has their faults.

Nah i joke sometimes but i know that Cara can be annoying. Its just not as extreme as some people make it out to be. Like everyone kept saying on dirty 30 "ENTITLED! COCKY!" but they never really said for what reason.

Well for me personally, there were little moments of it throughout the season (probably being tied to Camila didn't help), but the most glaring example is that she kept saying Kailah was scared of her for sending her to Redemption and like it was a huge betrayal (it was, but it was smart.. what would be the use of sending ******* Jemmye or whoever home)? Kailah has always said Cara is a good competitor, but there's a difference between showing respect that they're great and wanting to remove her to make their path easier, and "being scared" imo. Then Cara came back the next season and had the whole thing of "I respect everyone and I don't act like I'm better than anyone". It's just a little tiresome. So are people scared of you or are you "the most insecure"? I've discovered that I just find hypocrisy super annoying which is why I hate Britni, Jemmye, Camila, etc. Cara is not as bad as them by a mile, I just find her flip flop between bad ***** competitor and woe-is-me outcast a little annoying.

But Kailah also flip-flops too. Says Cara is a good competitor than said she got carried by Ct? Lol Then was saying she was never in an alliance with Cara. It's whatever, let's move on. 

You can be good and still be carried. Carried isn't a bad thing. Being CT's partner is a big advantage as he's beast at dailies. She did rarely have to compete individually as with a lot of females... which is something I didn't like about Dirty 30.

Well for me personally, there were little moments of it throughout the season (probably being tied to Camila didn't help), but the most glaring example is that she kept saying Kailah was scared of her for sending her to Redemption and like it was a huge betrayal (it was, but it was smart.. what would be the use of sending ******* Jemmye or whoever home)? Kailah has always said Cara is a good competitor, but there's a difference between showing respect that they're great and wanting to remove her to make their path easier, and "being scared" imo. Then Cara came back the next season and had the whole thing of "I respect everyone and I don't act like I'm better than anyone". It's just a little tiresome. So are people scared of you or are you "the most insecure"? I've discovered that I just find hypocrisy super annoying which is why I hate Britni, Jemmye, Camila, etc. Cara is not as bad as them by a mile, I just find her flip flop between bad ***** competitor and woe-is-me outcast a little annoying.

Cara took that specific move very personal, i'll agree. But that doesnt automatically make her entitled/cocky. Literally everyone gets mad when they get thrown in (Kailah was never called entitled yet she was flicking everyone off after beating Jenna and was mad at Nicole R when she voted for her). It doesnt make them entitled though. Entitled is when they expect to automatically be safe and go straight to the final without doing anything. Like how Leroy got mad at Veronica even though that had no deals and Leroy never actually saved her or anything. With Cara and Kailah, they had an alliance which Kailah broke (clever move i agree). And while it is a clever move Kailah was definitely 'scared' of Cara which is why she made the move in the first place. It doesnt mean scared like she terrified of Cara but scared to face her in elimination, which she is/was. IMBiasedO Cara wasnt really all that different on Dirty 30 and Vendettas except she won a lot more in Dirty 30 and she stopped using twitter during Vendettas. 

Its obvious Cara really tries to be confident but then literally everyone starts calling her cocky and she goes back to being insecure. I think Cara just wants to please everyone and whether she's cocky or insecure, she gets hate so she never sticks to one.

Did you hear anything else about the potential injury during the final?

Queengela still having girls pressed

gamer73 wrote:

Queengela still having girls pressed

Now that is NOT what we are doing. 

i have resurrected 

omg i had forgotten all about cara and kailah being seen arguing at the vma awards lmaoo

You can be good and still be carried. Carried isn't a bad thing. Being CT's partner is a big advantage as he's beast at dailies. She did rarely have to compete individually as with a lot of females... which is something I didn't like about Dirty 30.

I think thats what everyone thinks but then when you look at the facts, you see Kailah was wrong.

CT wasnt at the first challenge.
2nd Challenge was an individual challenge.
3rd Challenge im pretty sure Cara was the fastest girl on her team and got her ring first out of the girls.
4th Challenge they were a pair and they both performed equally. Cara was lifting, CT was pushing.
5th Challenge None of the teams struggled to actually lift their teammates so CT was no help in this challenge at all. Camila and Cara figured out the order.
6th Challenge was individual
Different teams the next 2 challenges.
Won redemption on her own.
The last challenge is really the only one where being with CT was a big advantage and thats mainly because Hunter and Tony sucked. But she still beat Tori and Camila and they had great partners as well (Jordan was better on that challenge then CT).

So yeah she wasnt actually carried like Kailah claimed. But people automatically believed it. Just as they believed Kailah when she said Cara was entitled/cocky.

Sorry for the essays today y'all lmaooo

marie & cara, soss are the best teams .

deeper wrote:

You can be good and still be carried. Carried isn't a bad thing. Being CT's partner is a big advantage as he's beast at dailies. She did rarely have to compete individually as with a lot of females... which is something I didn't like about Dirty 30.

I think thats what everyone thinks but then when you look at the facts, you see Kailah was wrong. CT wasnt at the first challenge. 2nd Challenge was an individual challenge. 3rd Challenge im pretty sure Cara was the fastest girl on her team and got her ring first out of the girls. 4th Challenge they were a pair and they both performed equally. Cara was lifting, CT was pushing. 5th Challenge None of the teams struggled to actually lift their teammates so CT was no help in this challenge at all. Camila and Cara figured out the order. 6th Challenge was individual Different teams the next 2 challenges. Won redemption on her own. The last challenge is really the only one where being with CT was a big advantage and thats mainly because Hunter and Tony sucked. But she still beat Tori and Camila and they had great partners as well (Jordan was better on that challenge then CT). So yeah she wasnt actually carried like Kailah claimed. But people automatically believed it. Just as they believed Kailah when she said Cara was entitled/cocky.

rideordie95 wrote:

gamer73 wrote:Queengela still having girls pressed

Now that is NOT what we are doing. 

Cara still having girls pressed? 

davonne followed  faith, angela, derrick, marie and trash (amanda) 

Why didn’t Ct carry Veronica? Anyway 

and chuck

omg i had forgotten all about cara and kailah being seen arguing at the vma awards lmaoo

**** so did I. ICONIC!

I wanted Day and Kam to get along so I’m guessing they don’t considering the alliances. Sad

honestly i think ashley could've easily won 3 seasons but now she has no shot . She's ****** a lot of people off and is probs gonna be targeted for the rest of her career. sucks.

When the Bananas curse transfers to Ashley :/ <<<<<<

I am imagining all these petty girls talking shit about Ashley M on their group chats 

I am imagining all these petty girls talking shit about Ashley M on their group chats 

You know they are lol.

Did you hear anything else about the potential injury during the final?

I’ve heard two people who it could’ve possibly been. 

deeper wrote:

Well for me personally, there were little moments of it throughout the season (probably being tied to Camila didn't help), but the most glaring example is that she kept saying Kailah was scared of her for sending her to Redemption and like it was a huge betrayal (it was, but it was smart.. what would be the use of sending ******* Jemmye or whoever home)? Kailah has always said Cara is a good competitor, but there's a difference between showing respect that they're great and wanting to remove her to make their path easier, and "being scared" imo. Then Cara came back the next season and had the whole thing of "I respect everyone and I don't act like I'm better than anyone". It's just a little tiresome. So are people scared of you or are you "the most insecure"? I've discovered that I just find hypocrisy super annoying which is why I hate Britni, Jemmye, Camila, etc. Cara is not as bad as them by a mile, I just find her flip flop between bad ***** competitor and woe-is-me outcast a little annoying.

Cara took that specific move very personal, i'll agree. But that doesnt automatically make her entitled/cocky. Literally everyone gets mad when they get thrown in (Kailah was never called entitled yet she was flicking everyone off after beating Jenna and was mad at Nicole R when she voted for her). It doesnt make them entitled though. Entitled is when they expect to automatically be safe and go straight to the final without doing anything. Like how Leroy got mad at Veronica even though that had no deals and Leroy never actually saved her or anything. With Cara and Kailah, they had an alliance which Kailah broke (clever move i agree). And while it is a clever move Kailah was definitely 'scared' of Cara which is why she made the move in the first place. It doesnt mean scared like she terrified of Cara but scared to face her in elimination, which she is/was. IMBiasedO Cara wasnt really all that different on Dirty 30 and Vendettas except she won a lot more in Dirty 30 and she stopped using twitter during Vendettas. Its obvious Cara really tries to be confident but then literally everyone starts calling her cocky and she goes back to being insecure. I think Cara just wants to please everyone and whether she's cocky or insecure, she gets hate so she never sticks to one.

I just don't agree with the word "scared". Cara was the most experienced and the most likely to beat her probably, but it doesn't mean she's scared of her like she was terrified and shaking in her boots. The bolded part I really agree with. Kailah gets called cocky all the time, but she just sticks to it as being confident. Cara gets defensive when people call her cocky and then reverts back to her insecure ways. 

My biggest point here being... every castmember has their faults and annoying moments. I found Cara annoying for the reasons I stated. She's hypocritical and whiney at times and I find that annoying. I respect when people hate on my faves for whatever reason. There have been other times throughout the years that she's grated on my nerves, but I'll spare everyone the essays. I think all people I stan have their weaknesses and moments when they're wrong, Cara, Kailah, Nia, KellyAnne, Ashley, Amanda, various males etc included. 

Meep wrote:

Did you hear anything else about the potential injury during the final?

I’ve heard two people who it could’ve possibly been. 

they were still able to finish the final so hopefully nothing serious. 

Anyway, this is why these conversations are pointless lol. I just think I'm a little more realistic than most about my faves... and Cara (<3 tho) stans give her every excuse under the sun and moon. 

Can't believe they've done two shows in a row catered to males and both times a female was the Sole winner. Ugh Ashley is a legend.

Kinda sucks we didn't get a new champion, but ****. Ashley really is the Supreme.

Amanda bowing out again to let Ashley win. We love a charitable Queen.

I just don't agree with the word "scared". Cara was the most experienced and the most likely to beat her probably, but it doesn't mean she's scared of her like she was terrified and shaking in her boots. The bolded part I really agree with. Kailah gets called cocky all the time, but she just sticks to it as being confident. Cara gets defensive when people call her cocky and then reverts back to her insecure ways. My biggest point here being... every castmember has their faults and annoying moments. I found Cara annoying for the reasons I stated. She's hypocritical and whiney at times and I find that annoying. I respect when people hate on my faves for whatever reason. There have been other times throughout the years that she's grated on my nerves, but I'll spare everyone the essays. I think all people I stan have their weaknesses and moments when they're wrong, Cara, Kailah, Nia, KellyAnne, Ashley, Amanda, various males etc included. 

Yeah thats why i said she wasnt terrified of her but just scared as in didnt want to face her in elimination or the final. I think with Kailah, she's waaaaayyy too cocky. Almost all the guys are cocky so it doesnt really pop out but when Kailah is one of the only girls to be really cocky and then doesnt actually perform to the standard she sets for herself, it comes across very bad. And i get your point. Im not saying Cara is without fault, im just saying its extremely exaggerated. Even Kailah nowadays is hated a little too much. I just dont say anything about that mainly because i dont like her lol Blum 3

honestly i think ashley could've easily won 3 seasons but now she has no shot . She's ****** a lot of people off and is probs gonna be targeted for the rest of her career. sucks.

I honestly dont see Ashley reaching a final ever again. On a usual season Ashley has a very great chance of reaching there just because she's good at the politics and above average at the missions. But now everyone will be verrryyy jealous that she won that much money and even a few of her allies might turn on her just to make sure she doesnt win anymore. She has made over 1.1 million so 2 wins is still more than enough. And she's pretty much guranteed to get future calls with a better appearance cheque too.

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