The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion)

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uncertaintyny wrote:

LOL all these Davonne fans, do they have any idea how much she SUCKED in BIg Brother... LOL... crying... 

Again. Big Brother is nearly impossible for people of color to win.  Saying she "sucked" is stupid, because it was set up from jump for her to "suck". She was always entertaining, and hundreds of thousands of people love her, including Natalie. So **** off troll.

Not trying to get completely off topic here but I have to disagree with this comment. It is possible for a person of color to win BB, it's just they only cast "stereotypes" and "specific personality traits" on BB. For example, almost every black person  cast on the show is extremely religious for some reason. I think if they had a diversity in personality and more diversity in general on the show, I can see BB having more people of color winning the show but it's really hard for them to win when they cast weak people of color personalities and it doesn't help there is at least 2-3 non-whites a season or sometimes less. However, I can't see Davonne winning BB period, she was just an entertaining personality that had no chance of winning like most BB favorites. 

Calogero wrote:

uncertaintyny wrote:LOL all these Davonne fans, do they have any idea how much she SUCKED in BIg Brother... LOL... crying... 

Again. Big Brother is nearly impossible for people of color to win.  Saying she "sucked" is stupid, because it was set up from jump for her to "suck". She was always entertaining, and hundreds of thousands of people love her, including Natalie. So **** off troll.

Not trying to get completely off topic here but I have to disagree with this comment. It is possible for a person of color to win BB, it's just they only cast "stereotypes" and "specific personality traits" on BB. For example, almost every black person  cast on the show is extremely religious for some reason. I think if they had a diversity in personality and more diversity in general on the show, I can see BB having more people of color winning the show but it's really hard for them to win when they cast weak people of color personalities and it doesn't help there is at least 2-3 non-whites a season or sometimes less. However, I can't see Davonne winning BB period, she was just an entertaining personality that had no chance of winning like most BB favorites. 

This is it

I’d stan tf out of V/CT & I don’t even like him. 

Da'vonne was offered a spot in a alliance with Paulie/Zakiyah/Corey/ Nicole and basically said "No thanks". She was bad strategically,socially,and competively

 

Calogero wrote:

uncertaintyny wrote:LOL all these Davonne fans, do they have any idea how much she SUCKED in BIg Brother... LOL... crying... 

Again. Big Brother is nearly impossible for people of color to win.  Saying she "sucked" is stupid, because it was set up from jump for her to "suck". She was always entertaining, and hundreds of thousands of people love her, including Natalie. So **** off troll.

Not trying to get completely off topic here but I have to disagree with this comment. It is possible for a person of color to win BB, it's just they only cast "stereotypes" and "specific personality traits" on BB. For example, almost every black person  cast on the show is extremely religious for some reason. I think if they had a diversity in personality and more diversity in general on the show, I can see BB having more people of color winning the show but it's really hard for them to win when they cast weak people of color personalities and it doesn't help there is at least 2-3 non-whites a season or sometimes less. However, I can't see Davonne winning BB period, she was just an entertaining personality that had no chance of winning like most BB favorites. 

I respect this argument, but I have to politely disagree. Though I agree the reason that people of color have a small chance of winning is because of BB's casting, I disagree about the reasoning. Yes they cast similar people of color every season, but the reason they have no chance of winning isn't because their personalities are too big ( example: Evil **** won), or that they're religious. It's that Big Brother has a history of casting majority white casts, and almost every season at least one of those white contestants has underlying racist tendency's. As far as Da'Vonne goes. I think In BB19 she actually had a shot at winning. Her issue was that she trusted James, and he told everyone everything she was saying. She was sitting pretty for the first half of that season.

Hm. Wasn't expecting the pairs..but having Amanda on the cast is throwing me for a loop.. Here are my possiblities

Natalie/Kayleigh (bc of Bananas)

Tori/Derrick H (exes)

Paulie/Da'vonne (Big brother)

Angela/Faith (rivals)

Bananas/Devin, with Tony replacing Bananas

Shane/Jozea (drama on Champs vs Stars)

Kyle/Joss

Brad/Sylvia

CT/Veronica

Cara/Amanda? (The whole chips in the bed thing from Invasion?) we know production will use the littlest thing to make a rivalry

^i know it is a stretch but idk. The possibility of Zach and Amanda paired up bc of the Jenna thing is so far fetched to me especially bc Jenna and Zach weren't even together then but who knows...

other possibilities

Cara/Kam bc of the grenades or Cara and Marie bc of them both going after Kyle

Natalie/Nelson bc of vendettas?

Amanda/Bananas? Didn't he annoy her on Invasion?

 

i give up. Who knows!

Bloodlines format would have been okay if they actually had the siblings compete in the eliminations together instead of moving them to 2 separate big *** teams. (I know they did toward the end)

Has anyone mentioned that Kyle and Shane had some Twitter beef not too long ago so perhaps they could be a pair?  Shane spilled that while Kyle was w/ Cara, he was always wanting to get with Sylvia.  Kyle responded back by basically saying "we'll settle this in person."  Just throwing that out there.

 
thechallenger101 wrote:

Calogero wrote:

uncertaintyny wrote:LOL all these Davonne fans, do they have any idea how much she SUCKED in BIg Brother... LOL... crying... 

Again. Big Brother is nearly impossible for people of color to win.  Saying she "sucked" is stupid, because it was set up from jump for her to "suck". She was always entertaining, and hundreds of thousands of people love her, including Natalie. So **** off troll.

Not trying to get completely off topic here but I have to disagree with this comment. It is possible for a person of color to win BB, it's just they only cast "stereotypes" and "specific personality traits" on BB. For example, almost every black person  cast on the show is extremely religious for some reason. I think if they had a diversity in personality and more diversity in general on the show, I can see BB having more people of color winning the show but it's really hard for them to win when they cast weak people of color personalities and it doesn't help there is at least 2-3 non-whites a season or sometimes less. However, I can't see Davonne winning BB period, she was just an entertaining personality that had no chance of winning like most BB favorites. 

I respect this argument, but I have to politely disagree. Though I agree the reason that people of color have a small chance of winning is because of BB's casting, I disagree about the reasoning. Yes they cast similar people of color every season, but the reason they have no chance of winning isn't because their personalities are too big ( example: Evil **** won), or that they're religious. It's that Big Brother has a history of casting majority white casts, and almost every season at least one of those white contestants has underlying racist tendency's. As far as Da'Vonne goes. I think In BB19 she actually had a shot at winning. Her issue was that she trusted James, and he told everyone everything she was saying. She was sitting pretty for the first half of that season.

There's probably some truth to that, although its usually more subtle than blatant racism, but I also think that in general the type of black hgs they  cast, the church going bible thumpers aren't great players, since with the exception of Dan who properly used his faith to manipulate people, religion and the game don't mix all that well. And Da'vonne definitely made mistakes both seasons she was in. Both season she got into a good position early, and then sabatoged the majority she had helped establish.

Pairs are awful but what's new.

What about Shane & Amanda? Didn't she Ashley and Sylvia feel betrayed by him on Invasion?

Some pairs could also be allies maybe, V & Shane, CT & Cara etc.

Some pairs could also be allies maybe, V & Shane, CT & Cara etc.

that would make zero sense given the title of the season 

Pairs are awful but what's new.

If this shit really is pairs then boooooooooooooo. Rivals 3 made me just not want to see pair challenges ever again.

AshtonMartin wrote:

Maybe it's Bananas & Amanda Devin & Natalie with Tony  now being Natalie's partner

Amanda with Johnny is a stretch

*****, bye!

lol

Sarah,during rivals 3 convincing herself she did something wrong by betraying bananas on exes made me ill.

For being a production favorite, they really screwed Jenna by pairing her with Jemmye lol. I'm sure they could've stretched someone better for her.

MontanaGaveMeWine wrote:

Some pairs could also be allies maybe, V & Shane, CT & Cara etc.

that would make zero sense given the title of the season 

Why? To me the title is very vague. It doesn't necessarily mean the culmination of specific relationships after a 3 season arc, thats what I would put my money on yes but it could just as easily be a stupid way to make the season sound intense a la XXX

For being a production favorite, they really screwed Jenna by pairing her with Jemmye lol. I'm sure they could've stretched someone better for her.

If what’s being speculated is true this proves that Amanda is a bigger production favorite at this point 

I keep forgetting Shane is there lmao

I’d bet money on the first elimination being a girls day and it was Faith/Angela vs Jenna/Jemmye 

I can’t think of anyone Amanda could be paired with...

I can’t think of anyone Amanda could be paired with...

Zach maybe? Cuz of her stirring shit up about Jenna on Invasion? Its a stretch, but the leading candidate for both of them imo. 

I can’t think of anyone Amanda could be paired with...

it’s MTV, they can easily play the “Amanda almost ruined my relationship” card with Zach 

Didn’t Amanda/tony used to have a rivalry although not anymore

Also, it kinda seems like the eliminations all happened close together, wonder about how Redemptions go. Maybe more of a purge type deal than a 1 on 1. 

I keep forgetting Shane is there lmao

Me too and I'm kinda surprised he is. If Shane & Nelson are actually partners it says quite a lot about how production views Derrick now. In rivals type seasons people who have had a physical altercation are typically top priority, if for no other reason then to replay the fight over and over. Now, not only did he fail to get on a season where he had a perfect partner, but he was bumped for SHANE who before Invasion was a C-list face. The diesel must be pissed lol

shboogies wrote:

I can’t think of anyone Amanda could be paired with...

it’s MTV, they can easily play the “Amanda almost ruined my relationship” card with Zach 

Even though Amanda did nothing that would even be considered close to “ruining a relationship”  

Tyler3 wrote:

I keep forgetting Shane is there lmao

Me too and I'm kinda surprised he is. If Shane & Nelson are actually partners it says quite a lot about how production views Derrick now. In rivals type seasons people who have had a physical altercation are typically top priority, if for no other reason then to replay the fight over and over. Now, not only did he fail to get on a season where he had a perfect partner, but he was bumped for SHANE who before Invasion was a C-list face. The diesel must be pissed lol

Clearly they realize Derrick is doing God's duty by bringing us "umm uhhhhh annnd **** Wes uhhhh" 2 times a week for Challenge Mania

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