You could argue that Tonya may have been a bigger name than V too tbh.......she, like Coral, was also getting herself on shows outside of MTV (Kill Reality) and also other shows on MTV (True Life).Even Katie got on Kill Reality as well......Veronica did much of nothing outside of Challenges. There was supposedly that pilot that the Mean Girls shot with Oxygen but of course that never came to fruition (probably due to all the College Dropout drama).
Talking about oxygen did you guys knew Coral, Beth, Tonya, Katie, The mean girls, Julie, etc where their inspiration when they created The Bad Girls Club.
Yup! BGC was originally The Real Mean Girls or something like that; V/Rachel/Tina shot a pilot for Oxygen and Coral was supposed to be making an appearance as well but they shelved it & they later used the premise of it to create BGC.
Tubescan/SpeakReality covered it all back in the day.
You could argue that Tonya may have been a bigger name than V too tbh.......she, like Coral, was also getting herself on shows outside of MTV (Kill Reality) and also other shows on MTV (True Life).Even Katie got on Kill Reality as well......Veronica did much of nothing outside of Challenges. There was supposedly that pilot that the Mean Girls shot with Oxygen but of course that never came to fruition (probably due to all the College Dropout drama).
Talking about oxygen did you guys knew Coral, Beth, Tonya, Katie, The mean girls, Julie, etc where their inspiration when they created The Bad Girls Club.
Tonya was never a mean girl though. She was an ongoing victim. Awww look at all these kids trying to rewrite history. Cute.
*****, nobody on here said Tonya was a mean girl, WHO the **** said that? All PR said was that those girls were the inspiration behind BGC & it is the truth because of sites similar to this that were around during the Golden Era confirmed that over a decade ago.
Since everyone is some "cute kids trying to rewrite history", you need to take your old & delusional *** to bed then. You are certainly not a cornerstone of anything that happened during that time period as there are quite a few of us who grew up watching this show; I can say I've been watching regularly since The Gauntlet (and of course went back & watched every season before that) and I would bet on my superb memory over yours. No fool who's been watching the show for as long as you say you've been watching would EVER have Veronica over THE Coral Smith in terms of being a "big name".
1. Veronica is NOT white so let's stop making this about race.
2. Coral was the show. Veronica was a key player and an important part that was needed but Coral was Coral. Coral was a household name.
3. Coral is worth every dollar she wants. She should get the same pay was Veronica did for XXX if not more if filming is longer.
4. Coral was the gauntlet. Sarah was a great story but it was the Coral show. The Inferno probably was the Katie show but Coral was huge on it as well as Veronica. Sxes 2 was all Coral. FM2 as all Coral until she was injured. G3 was even mainly Coral until she quit. Rivals 3 should have included Coral & CT...I owuld have watched
5. Not everything is racism and sexism...if you overuse it loses all meaning
^^^^ And with that bullshit right there, let me get off here for the time being lol here comes the downplaying prejudices/racism/sexism routine as usual like we live in FairyWorld & everything is Kumbayah & we all shit out glitter nuggets while singing "We Are The World".
Okay....1. Veronica is NOT white so let's stop making this about race.2. Coral was the show. Veronica was a key player and an important part that was needed but Coral was Coral. Coral was a household name.3. Coral is worth every dollar she wants. She should get the same pay was Veronica did for XXX if not more if filming is longer.4. Coral was the gauntlet. Sarah was a great story but it was the Coral show. The Inferno probably was the Katie show but Coral was huge on it as well as Veronica. Sxes 2 was all Coral. FM2 as all Coral until she was injured. G3 was even mainly Coral until she quit. Rivals 3 should have included Coral & CT...I owuld have watched5. Not everything is racism and sexism...if you overuse it loses all meaning
Are you going to tell me we don't live in a society where girls and minorities get paid way less for the same jobs than white males?
Okay....1. Veronica is NOT white so let's stop making this about race.2. Coral was the show. Veronica was a key player and an important part that was needed but Coral was Coral. Coral was a household name.3. Coral is worth every dollar she wants. She should get the same pay was Veronica did for XXX if not more if filming is longer.4. Coral was the gauntlet. Sarah was a great story but it was the Coral show. The Inferno probably was the Katie show but Coral was huge on it as well as Veronica. Sxes 2 was all Coral. FM2 as all Coral until she was injured. G3 was even mainly Coral until she quit. Rivals 3 should have included Coral & CT...I owuld have watched5. Not everything is racism and sexism...if you overuse it loses all meaning
Are you going to tell me we don't live in a society where girls and minorities get paid way less for the same jobs than white males?
We do...I said not everything is race/sex. Veronica isn't white. That statement is the average it doesn't exist in all industries either. Coral not getting paid isn't racism IMO...it's stupidity. I'd like to know what Darrell gets paid compared to Shane & Brad. We need to compare comparable people. Most people here admit Leroy bores them but they act shocked he doesn't get paid that well.
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
We do...I said not everything is race/sex. Veronica isn't white. That statement is the average it doesn't exist in all industries either. Coral not getting paid isn't racism IMO...it's stupidity. I'd like to know what Darrell gets paid compared to Shane & Brad. We need to compare comparable people. Most people here admit Leroy bores them but they act shocked he doesn't get paid that well.
The thing is Leroy knows his role on the show and so does production. We don't like him for that very reason but technically he is doing his job. The guy should be getting paid well and he should've received a bonus after dealing with KKKamila.
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
He is a White republican male. He’s delusional and low key agree with social and racial inequalities... ☕️☕️☕️☕️
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
Why'd they'd pay Veronica? She's a hispanic female last I checked. There could be a ton of reasons they aren't willing to meet Coral's demands--we aren't privy to that. The fact you're assuming race is illogical and unsubstantiated.
One thing though: what the hell does Veronica not being so-called white have to do with anything? Nobody said jack shit about Veronica's particular race in this discussion anyway and Veronica isn't to blame at all for why they're trying to lowball Coral. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why myself & others felt that Coral deserves more money than her.
Trying to bring up the fact that V isn't so-called white to deflect from the real issue at hand is another usual, typical tactic & speaks for itself though......
One thing though: what the hell does Veronica not being so-called white have to do with anything? Nobody said jack shit about Veronica's race in this discussion anyway and Veronica isn't to blame at all for why they're trying to lowball Coral. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why myself & others felt that Coral deserves more money than her.Trying to bring up the fact that V isn't so-called white to deflect from the real issue at hand is another usual, typical tactic & speaks for itself though......
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
He is a White republican male. He’s delusional and low key agree with social and racial inequalities... ☕️☕️☕️☕️
married to a black woman with kids that aren't "white" to continue with your game. Not delusional a all...realistic.. Just like studies prove women are less likely to change companies which contribute to lower wages as that's when people are best able to negotiate salary. There's so many factors in everything if you're open minded enough to actually look into it.
Okay--done with my attempt to have a reasonable discussion regarding this. It's pointless.
Very disappointed that we aren't going to see Coral...hopefully casting has other good surprises
I know Veronica is from Cuba, i'm just trying to understand why Coral wouldn't get payed the same as her. Or why they are willing to bring Kayleigh back who decided to quit because people threw her suitcase on a reality show? Put that money on Coral instead.
One thing though: what the hell does Veronica not being so-called white have to do with anything? Nobody said jack shit about Veronica's race in this discussion anyway and Veronica isn't to blame at all for why they're trying to lowball Coral. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why myself & others felt that Coral deserves more money than her.Trying to bring up the fact that V isn't so-called white to deflect from the real issue at hand is another usual, typical tactic & speaks for itself though......
Did you miss all the racism/sexism comments?
How would I miss something I brought up in the first place? Point to me where anybody said Veronica & her race had to do with why they're lowballing Coral. As I said, it has nothing to do with Veronica herself. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why people feel that Coral deserves higher pay than her. Point to me where anybody said anything about Veronica's race before your brought your usual BS in here.....
Tonya was never a mean girl though. She was an ongoing victim. Awww look at all these kids trying to rewrite history. Cute.
Where has anyone said Tonya was a mean girl? All that was stated it was that Tonya and all the girls that brought the drama prior that show creation inspired the show Bad Girls Club. Which is a fact, so gtfo here.
Plus, imo if you look at the cast of girls of early seasons from that show they had similar traits and storyline as past challenge girls. It wasnt just around mean bad girls, they were victims and persobaliries that crash unlike the fabricate and pointless drama that the show became after season 7.
Cornellia (Girl that got **** shame, Tonya), Annie (The odd one out, Sarah Greyson), Flo (The alpha female, Cpral) The Hyenas from season 2 (The mean girls) , Natalie (The manipulators, Beth), etc.
lol why did this post turn in to something from CNN or fox news?! DA ****?!
I'm surprised kvm hasn't mentioned Jordan Peterson.
The thing about Coral is that she's incredibly entertaining but she's also in great shape, i've seen her recent pictures and she looks amazing. There's no reason for them not to pay her what she deserves, and they know she deserves it.
Coral probably isn't getting more because she's backed out on them multiple times late and/or (b) she agreed to an amount then tried to renegotiate. Again, I think Coral's worth more than anyone but I'm not able to pay her. I'd be more than willing to chip in 10k...lol
Yup! BGC was originally The Real Mean Girls or something like that; V/Rachel/Tina shot a pilot for Oxygen and Coral was supposed to be making an appearance as well but they shelved it & they later used the premise of it to create BGC.
Tubescan/SpeakReality covered it all back in the day.
iconic
Tonya was never a mean girl though. She was an ongoing victim.
Awww look at all these kids trying to rewrite history. Cute.
The second coming of V1man.
Lmaoooooo
*****, nobody on here said Tonya was a mean girl, WHO the **** said that? All PR said was that those girls were the inspiration behind BGC & it is the truth because of sites similar to this that were around during the Golden Era confirmed that over a decade ago.
Since everyone is some "cute kids trying to rewrite history", you need to take your old & delusional *** to bed then. You are certainly not a cornerstone of anything that happened during that time period as there are quite a few of us who grew up watching this show; I can say I've been watching regularly since The Gauntlet (and of course went back & watched every season before that) and I would bet on my superb memory over yours. No fool who's been watching the show for as long as you say you've been watching would EVER have Veronica over THE Coral Smith in terms of being a "big name".
Okay....
1. Veronica is NOT white so let's stop making this about race.
2. Coral was the show. Veronica was a key player and an important part that was needed but Coral was Coral. Coral was a household name.
3. Coral is worth every dollar she wants. She should get the same pay was Veronica did for XXX if not more if filming is longer.
4. Coral was the gauntlet. Sarah was a great story but it was the Coral show. The Inferno probably was the Katie show but Coral was huge on it as well as Veronica. Sxes 2 was all Coral. FM2 as all Coral until she was injured. G3 was even mainly Coral until she quit. Rivals 3 should have included Coral & CT...I owuld have watched
5. Not everything is racism and sexism...if you overuse it loses all meaning
^^^^ And with that bullshit right there, let me get off here for the time being lol here comes the downplaying prejudices/racism/sexism routine as usual like we live in FairyWorld & everything is Kumbayah & we all shit out glitter nuggets while singing "We Are The World".
Are you going to tell me we don't live in a society where girls and minorities get paid way less for the same jobs than white males?
We do...I said not everything is race/sex. Veronica isn't white. That statement is the average it doesn't exist in all industries either. Coral not getting paid isn't racism IMO...it's stupidity. I'd like to know what Darrell gets paid compared to Shane & Brad. We need to compare comparable people. Most people here admit Leroy bores them but they act shocked he doesn't get paid that well.
If you say not everything is about race and gender/sex, and you said that Coral is such an important player to the show then why wouldn't they pay her what she deserves according to you?
The thing is Leroy knows his role on the show and so does production. We don't like him for that very reason but technically he is doing his job. The guy should be getting paid well and he should've received a bonus after dealing with KKKamila.
He is a White republican male. He’s delusional and low key agree with social and racial inequalities... ☕️☕️☕️☕️
And lol at Veronica not being White, what is she then, Spanish ??? But where is Spain again ?? LMAOOOOOOO
Why'd they'd pay Veronica? She's a hispanic female last I checked. There could be a ton of reasons they aren't willing to meet Coral's demands--we aren't privy to that. The fact you're assuming race is illogical and unsubstantiated.
One thing though: what the hell does Veronica not being so-called white have to do with anything? Nobody said jack shit about Veronica's particular race in this discussion anyway and Veronica isn't to blame at all for why they're trying to lowball Coral. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why myself & others felt that Coral deserves more money than her.
Trying to bring up the fact that V isn't so-called white to deflect from the real issue at hand is another usual, typical tactic & speaks for itself though......
Ask Veronica if she classifies herself as white...
Did you miss all the racism/sexism comments?
Once again, what is she ??? Hispanic isn’t a race, Spanish, Cuban or whatever either !!!
I know Veronica is from Cuba, i'm just trying to understand why Coral wouldn't get payed the same as her. Or why they are willing to bring Kayleigh back who decided to quit because people threw her suitcase on a reality show? Put that money on Coral instead.
How would I miss something I brought up in the first place? Point to me where anybody said Veronica & her race had to do with why they're lowballing Coral. As I said, it has nothing to do with Veronica herself. The only part Veronica had in the discussion is why people feel that Coral deserves higher pay than her. Point to me where anybody said anything about Veronica's race before your brought your usual BS in here.....
LOL--you're telling me the US doesn't classigy race as Hispanic/Latin American? LMAO--are you employed?
Sorry, I said I was done but that was too good
Its not how you view yourself but how the world views you.
Where has anyone said Tonya was a mean girl? All that was stated it was that Tonya and all the girls that brought the drama prior that show creation inspired the show Bad Girls Club. Which is a fact, so gtfo here.
Plus, imo if you look at the cast of girls of early seasons from that show they had similar traits and storyline as past challenge girls. It wasnt just around mean bad girls, they were victims and persobaliries that crash unlike the fabricate and pointless drama that the show became after season 7.
Cornellia (Girl that got **** shame, Tonya), Annie (The odd one out, Sarah Greyson), Flo (The alpha female, Cpral) The Hyenas from season 2 (The mean girls) , Natalie (The manipulators, Beth), etc.
lol why did this post turn in to something from CNN or fox news?! DA ****?!
I'm surprised kvm hasn't mentioned Jordan Peterson.
The thing about Coral is that she's incredibly entertaining but she's also in great shape, i've seen her recent pictures and she looks amazing. There's no reason for them not to pay her what she deserves, and they know she deserves it.
Vevmo has always touched on racism and sexism when it comes to the treatment of people associated with Bunim Murray and MTV.
Just one of those days. LOL!
Coral probably isn't getting more because
she's backed out on them multiple times late and/or (b) she agreed to an amount then tried to renegotiate. Again, I think Coral's worth more than anyone but I'm not able to pay her. I'd be more than willing to chip in 10k...lol
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