Challenge 17 wrote:Cara is 2/11, both of them coming in finals where it helped to be a woman. Just look at Jenna & Brianna before and after the weight part was removed
I think it's more impressive that she's been to 6/11 Finals, 7/12 if you count Champs vs. Pros. And of the 5 losses (non-Finals appearances), 2 are to Laurel (one with a broken hand, not that she would have won if healthy), one of the losses was to Sarah while on that shitty make shift Fresh Meat team, and one loss was to Emily. And of the 6 (or 7) Finals, she's only ever come in first or second. And that's all while having the most elimination wins in female challenge history.
Daily reminder she lost in every season when she had great partners (Darrell, Laurel, Abe and Cooke) or there was elite girl there. And she can be X finals and she has only 2 wins with bad formats or cast.
darrell loss was a fluke (that they redeemed in champs vs. pros) laurel and cooke she won 2nd and abe (lost to emily and ty)- not bad loses if u ask me
Cara Maria,Female with most elimination winsFemale with most final appareancesFemale with most money won in the history of the showFirst female to beat 4 guys in a finalOne win away to tie record of female with most challenge winsWhat a Legend, what an Icon
Mr. Beautiful wrote:Most elimination wins by a female and beating out even the guys for another challenge win hahahaha lets go baby bring on the haters! SlayMaria
If you are in that many eliminations, there is something wrong with you and elimination queen is Sarah G.
Challenge 17 wrote:Cara is 2/11, both of them coming in finals where it helped to be a woman. Just look at Jenna & Brianna before and after the weight part was removed
I think it's more impressive that she's been to 6/11 Finals, 7/12 if you count Champs vs. Pros. And of the 5 losses (non-Finals appearances), 2 are to Laurel (one with a broken hand, not that she would have won if healthy), one of the losses was to Sarah while on that shitty make shift Fresh Meat team, and one loss was to Emily. And of the 6 (or 7) Finals, she's only ever come in first or second. And that's all while having the most elimination wins in female challenge history.
Daily reminder she lost in every season when she had great partners (Darrell, Laurel, Abe and Cooke) or there was elite girl there. And she can be X finals and she has only 2 wins with bad formats or cast.
Daily reminder that she was supposed/expected (as well as any other female) to lose to Evelyn in a final, Emily on X-Battle, and Emily/Paula in that final. Only the last one could be refuted imo but point remains that to ignore who was her competition is hilarious and funny how is conveniently ignored by her haters lol.
Mr. Beautiful wrote:Most elimination wins by a female and beating out even the guys for another challenge win hahahaha lets go baby bring on the haters! SlayMaria
If you are in that many eliminations, there is something wrong with you and elimination queen is Sarah G.
Wes Bergmann? Lmao
Wes is female???
you said if you are in that many eliminations there is something wrong with you. Wes has been in more. Does it matter if you’re a guy or girl??
Cara should have the most elimination wins or close to it given ther strong partners (compare them to other people like Sarah or poor Aneesa) and the number of challenges she did. I don't think anyone is saying Cara isn't a great competitor. She's just not elite. She's not a natural athlete but she's put in the work to be very well rounded. Correct me if I'm wrong but her only H2H wins are Mandi, Nia & LaToya. Aneesa on Bloodlines too. Personally, I don't count "partner" eliminations rounds as wins or losses because often time your partner is the reason you lost, not you.
Susie got carried in a final. You can compare her to wes and others that have gotten carried also but Emily Laurel and Evelyn would never. I'd even put Rachel there but thats my personal opinion.
Cara is strong no doubt about it but while she is 2nd tier for sure, shes in the bottom half of that tier based on her performance in several finals as well as a few other things.
I wouldn't consider Susie Sunshine elite. She's 4-0 in eliminations over Jenn, Brianna (RW: Hollywood), Kimberly and Casey. Her first challenge team got embarrassed, and she was on a stacked team in the Ruins. I also think the Gauntlet 2 (and 3 for that matter) finals were a fluke. Susie replaced Ayanna (I miss her) on the Extreme Challenge and her whole team said they thought Ayanna was a better competitor.
I have Laurel, Ev, and Emily (and possibly Rachel) at the top of the top. I would put Sara and Cara Maria at the end of that group, but I can see them being at the top of the next group. I'm no longer mad at putting Camila in that group, but I'd see her as behind the other two. Jodi deserves a look despite a small sample size and ******* up the Inferno 2. I think that Emily (Road Rules) was elite for her time, but I don't know how well she'd do in these modern challenges (even at the age she was doing those earlier ones).
Only Elite females are Evelyn, Laurel, and Emily imo.Everyone else belongs tiers below them.
THIS. I don’t understand why people include Rachel or Jodi.
Because they dominated Duels...personally, I think Holly Shand/Emily Bailey are the only other two that should be in consideration for "elite". Cooke could have been in the running too but we needed to see her more than once. There's a lot of women that only did one that really disappoints me...can't really think of any guys that only did one that needed to come back
And as for elimination there’s not many elite on both male and females. Elimination elite: laurel, Emily, cara,Susie,Wes, Derrick,Leroy, and Nelson
Yeah agreed... a lot of the eliminations are crapshoots. Anyone can screw up. I look at overall performance when basing it on elite. A loss here or there for a challenger doesnt break them from their tier in my eyes
When we're discussing elite I think "competitor" so I'm not including Susie....as a "game-player/manipulator" Susie is elite. Susie would never allow herslef to have to face a top-tier girl...she'd walk like Coral
If you are in that many eliminations, there is something wrong with you and elimination queen is Sarah G.
Cara Maria,
Female with most elimination wins
Female with most final appareances
Female with most money won in the history of the show
First female to beat 4 guys in a final
One win away to tie record of female with most challenge wins
What a Legend, what an Icon
HOLY SHIT for real ?!!
darrell loss was a fluke (that they redeemed in champs vs. pros) laurel and cooke she won 2nd and abe (lost to emily and ty)- not bad loses if u ask me
Wes Bergmann? Lmao
Wes is female???
What was that about anyway? When I had logged on and read the thread yesterday, the posts had already been deleted.
Daily reminder that she was supposed/expected (as well as any other female) to lose to Evelyn in a final, Emily on X-Battle, and Emily/Paula in that final. Only the last one could be refuted imo but point remains that to ignore who was her competition is hilarious and funny how is conveniently ignored by her haters lol.
what the hell?!!
you said if you are in that many eliminations there is something wrong with you. Wes has been in more. Does it matter if you’re a guy or girl??
Elite girls: laurel, Evelyn, Emily, Judi, Susie. Special consideration: Sarah and cara
Oh and Rachel
i can live with that lol
-also cooke should probably be considered too but she would need to do more then 1 to prove herself
Cara should have the most elimination wins or close to it given ther strong partners (compare them to other people like Sarah or poor Aneesa) and the number of challenges she did. I don't think anyone is saying Cara isn't a great competitor. She's just not elite. She's not a natural athlete but she's put in the work to be very well rounded. Correct me if I'm wrong but her only H2H wins are Mandi, Nia & LaToya. Aneesa on Bloodlines too. Personally, I don't count "partner" eliminations rounds as wins or losses because often time your partner is the reason you lost, not you.
Only Elite females are Evelyn, Laurel, and Emily imo.
Everyone else belongs tiers below them.
Susie may be my all-time favorite but she's not elite....aside from strategy.
Daddy Wes in your avi <3.
Susie don’t lose and she always proves herself when others think she’s shitty
Slaylah fans have to sit here and take this berating, season 32 needs to come fast. We need a refresh and re group
Oh please, Susie would get wrecked head to head with any of the other girls in this discussion.
THIS. I don’t understand why people include Rachel or Jodi.
Kailah has a bright future, give her some time. She’s improved every season she’s been on thus far making it further, and further.
Susie got carried in a final. You can compare her to wes and others that have gotten carried also but Emily Laurel and Evelyn would never. I'd even put Rachel there but thats my personal opinion.
Cara is strong no doubt about it but while she is 2nd tier for sure, shes in the bottom half of that tier based on her performance in several finals as well as a few other things.
I wouldn't consider Susie Sunshine elite. She's 4-0 in eliminations over Jenn, Brianna (RW: Hollywood), Kimberly and Casey. Her first challenge team got embarrassed, and she was on a stacked team in the Ruins. I also think the Gauntlet 2 (and 3 for that matter) finals were a fluke. Susie replaced Ayanna (I miss her) on the Extreme Challenge and her whole team said they thought Ayanna was a better competitor.
I have Laurel, Ev, and Emily (and possibly Rachel) at the top of the top. I would put Sara and Cara Maria at the end of that group, but I can see them being at the top of the next group. I'm no longer mad at putting Camila in that group, but I'd see her as behind the other two. Jodi deserves a look despite a small sample size and ******* up the Inferno 2. I think that Emily (Road Rules) was elite for her time, but I don't know how well she'd do in these modern challenges (even at the age she was doing those earlier ones).
King , we posted at the same time and had the same opinion about rachel lmao and about caras positioning too. You read my mind
And as for elimination there’s not many elite on both male and females. Elimination elite: laurel, Emily, cara,Susie,Wes, Derrick,Leroy, and Nelson
Because they dominated Duels...personally, I think Holly Shand/Emily Bailey are the only other two that should be in consideration for "elite". Cooke could have been in the running too but we needed to see her more than once. There's a lot of women that only did one that really disappoints me...can't really think of any guys that only did one that needed to come back
Yeah agreed... a lot of the eliminations are crapshoots. Anyone can screw up. I look at overall performance when basing it on elite. A loss here or there for a challenger doesnt break them from their tier in my eyes
When we're discussing elite I think "competitor" so I'm not including Susie....as a "game-player/manipulator" Susie is elite. Susie would never allow herslef to have to face a top-tier girl...she'd walk like Coral
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