The Challenge XXX: Dirty 30 - Guess Who's Coming to Dinner

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Gorbo wrote:I'm so tired of the topic of racism. I'm also tired of the portrayal that only one race experiences racism. Coming from someone who was viciously bullied in middle school for being white, I know that racism goes in every direction, not just towards African americans. This whole notion that there is systemic racism and we live in a white supremacist nation is so tiring and false. 

go ahead and stop bud 

Yeah of course. I'm sure people will read that and think I'm "racist" or "insensitive" when in reality I am a realist speaking the truth. What I'm saying is politically incorrect but it's the truth 

Ok Camila

Haha you guys are a bunch of leftist, delusional 5 year olds who don't know there *** from their elbow. 

are you the type of person that thinks they are above people because they spent a couple of weeks wikipedia'ing politics?

No, I'm the type of person that has a brain. 

are you ***uming anybody disagreeing with your poorly worded statement are brainless?

No I'm the type of person that expects someone to have a concrete and valid argument about systemic racism, instead of saying it exists with no examples while victimizing one group. 

this man literally just said there are no examples. 

GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM THEN. What is the government doing to prevent African Americans from flourishing in this country?

1. Gerrymandering - The government (both parties have done this, but currently the Republicans have been most effective at it) create voting boundries based on race, political orientation and socio-economically. For true equality there needs to be proportional representation. If there are 8 congressional seats available for your state you get 8 votes that you could vote all to one candidate or to 8 different candidates. This would allow more third parties, more minorities represented, more diversity and true representation.2. Public Housing - Public Housing creates hotbeds of crime. This is a statistical fact. While some say that it is choice, it is not completely. If all you are surrounded by is crime and violence, you suffer ptsd pretty much your whole life. This is the whole nature versus nurture argument. I am of the mind that both exist and both are equally valid.3. Education - Again we are going back to imaginary lines created by government to determine which students go to which schools and rezoning. If you go to any public school in a low income area, there are 50 students per cl*** and tons of distractions. Go to any public school in a high income area and you have 12-20 students per cl*** and tons of funds to cover the teachers, books, etc.4. Policing - This is government controlled and again funded by imaginary lines created by the government. After living in both high and low income areas, I can guarantee you that the police force in high income areas is much more effective and constantly vigilant and response time is in the minutes instead of in the hours.This is just a couple of examples. Again proportional representation and proportional funding state wide instead of by government mandated districts would drastically reduce a lot of the problems listed above. Proportional funding will never happen. I believe in socialism as a theory, but it does not work in reality. Proportional funding can happen on a state level, if we the people chose to make it happen. But without proportional representation we will never get that accomplished.

Do you understand that these problems apply to whites as well? So is the government systemically racist against whites too?- 39% of public housing is occupied by whites, whites make up 40% of food stamp recipients, and whites represent half of the public school attendees. The great thing about the United States is that we all have freedom of choice. Granted, if you are raised in a low income neighborhood surrounded by crime, then your plight will be more difficult. However, there are three rules to insure that you aren't permanently poor regardless of raise. 1) Don't have babies out of wedlock 2) Graduate from high school 3) Get a job. However, both blacks and whites suffer from these issues.- As for gerrymandering, the best/most qualified candidates for whichever governmental position they apply for should get the job. There are blacks in congress and senate. Third party struggles apply to all races. It is going to be impossible for any third party to become relevant because of the power/strength/cash of the Republicans and Democrats. For example, the green party that never even comes close to receiving a significant portion of votes. Race isn't a factor.- Your point about policing is pure conjecture. This isn't backed by any legitimate statistic, you are just stating a theory and trying to present it as a fact. I grew up in south yonkers and the south bronx. Both extremely low income areas, and now I live in a great neighborhood in Orlando and there hasn't been any noticeable difference in response time. That's another theory that you are presenting that isn't backed by any legitimate study. IF you can present me with a study that shows the average police response time between high and low income areas, then I can respect this point more.

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

You're welcome. You also don't see the irony of pointing out that whites are 40% of food stamp recipient? Remind me what portion of Americans are white. Hint: it's a **** of a lot more than 40%. 

Some of you say Johnny ******* out there but in reality he is one of the few cast members who actually had fight while being on the challenge and knows that hitting someone will get you kicked from the show.

Some of you say Johnny ******* out there but in reality he is one of the few cast members who actually had fight while being on the challenge and knows that hitting someone will get you kicked from the show.

Um literally everyone knows that, they tell them it lol 

It's funny how John thinks he's being self-aware when he calls himself a pot-stirrer. *****, you're 35, gluing feathers to another guy's face in a bunk bed AND you nearly got that *** beat after. Collect your clinique samples up off the floor and grow up. 

It's funny how John thinks he's being self-aware when he calls himself a pot-stirrer. *****, you're 35, gluing feathers to another guy's face in a bunk bed AND you nearly got that *** beat after. Collect your clinique samples up off the floor and grow up. 

Tony beat his ***, in which scenario? And I bet you said all this things coz you hate him like most people here when it comes to him. You know that people older then him do pranks in normal environments.

Second time Johnny uses feathers and he almost gets his *** beat. First Derrick, now Tony. 

idc for john playing pranks some people never grow up and thats that but the fact he still uses the same pranks like...how lame are you **** you need kenny and evan to come back to give you some new ideas?

Gorbo wrote:

I'm so tired of the topic of racism. I'm also tired of the portrayal that only one race experiences racism. Coming from someone who was viciously bullied in middle school for being white, I know that racism goes in every direction, not just towards African americans. This whole notion that there is systemic racism and we live in a white supremacist nation is so tiring and false. 

*Yawns* 

You yawned, I laughed lol...

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Still no examples and this is why the topic of racism bothers me. Goodnight everyone haha. I won't be surprised if I'm blocked for expressing my opinion on the matter 

If you really wanted examples you could easily google them. I don’t think anyone should waste their time having this discussion with you.

At all....

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Gorbo wrote:
TYGUY14 wrote:
Gorbo wrote:
Stan_ER wrote:
Gorbo wrote:I'm so tired of the topic of racism. I'm also tired of the portrayal that only one race experiences racism. Coming from someone who was viciously bullied in middle school for being white, I know that racism goes in every direction, not just towards African americans. This whole notion that there is systemic racism and we live in a white supremacist nation is so tiring and false. 

go ahead and stop bud 

Yeah of course. I'm sure people will read that and think I'm "racist" or "insensitive" when in reality I am a realist speaking the truth. What I'm saying is politically incorrect but it's the truth 

Ok Camila

Haha you guys are a bunch of leftist, delusional 5 year olds who don't know there *** from their elbow. 

As a black person and someone who considers themselves moderate, not a lefitst,  the way you phrased your statement wasnt to make a point but instead to be petty. It's not about politcal affilition it's about combating racism at the root of the problem not by dividing everyone more. 

Omg I didn't know you were black. Well **** is everyone on this site black except Mario, pinkrose, and that guy everyone dragged on this thread? ****

Not by a longshot ****ooooo

Probably about 2 out of 10 lol

**** Tony lol

Second time Johnny uses feathers and he almost gets his *** beat. First Derrick, now Tony. 

Didnt he throw cookies at Mike when he was in bed sleeping on Rivals? Mike was heated too. 

Gorbo wrote:

Foofalina wrote:

Gorbo wrote:
Stan_ER wrote:
Gorbo wrote:
Stan_ER wrote:
Gorbo wrote:
Stan_ER wrote:
Gorbo wrote:
TYGUY14 wrote:
Gorbo wrote:
Stan_ER wrote:
Gorbo wrote:I'm so tired of the topic of racism. I'm also tired of the portrayal that only one race experiences racism. Coming from someone who was viciously bullied in middle school for being white, I know that racism goes in every direction, not just towards African americans. This whole notion that there is systemic racism and we live in a white supremacist nation is so tiring and false. 

go ahead and stop bud 

Yeah of course. I'm sure people will read that and think I'm "racist" or "insensitive" when in reality I am a realist speaking the truth. What I'm saying is politically incorrect but it's the truth 

Ok Camila

Haha you guys are a bunch of leftist, delusional 5 year olds who don't know there *** from their elbow. 

are you the type of person that thinks they are above people because they spent a couple of weeks wikipedia'ing politics?

No, I'm the type of person that has a brain. 

are you ***uming anybody disagreeing with your poorly worded statement are brainless?

No I'm the type of person that expects someone to have a concrete and valid argument about systemic racism, instead of saying it exists with no examples while victimizing one group. 

this man literally just said there are no examples. 

GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM THEN. What is the government doing to prevent African Americans from flourishing in this country?

1. Gerrymandering - The government (both parties have done this, but currently the Republicans have been most effective at it) create voting boundries based on race, political orientation and socio-economically. For true equality there needs to be proportional representation. If there are 8 congressional seats available for your state you get 8 votes that you could vote all to one candidate or to 8 different candidates. This would allow more third parties, more minorities represented, more diversity and true representation.2. Public Housing - Public Housing creates hotbeds of crime. This is a statistical fact. While some say that it is choice, it is not completely. If all you are surrounded by is crime and violence, you suffer ptsd pretty much your whole life. This is the whole nature versus nurture argument. I am of the mind that both exist and both are equally valid.3. Education - Again we are going back to imaginary lines created by government to determine which students go to which schools and rezoning. If you go to any public school in a low income area, there are 50 students per cl*** and tons of distractions. Go to any public school in a high income area and you have 12-20 students per cl*** and tons of funds to cover the teachers, books, etc.4. Policing - This is government controlled and again funded by imaginary lines created by the government. After living in both high and low income areas, I can guarantee you that the police force in high income areas is much more effective and constantly vigilant and response time is in the minutes instead of in the hours.This is just a couple of examples. Again proportional representation and proportional funding state wide instead of by government mandated districts would drastically reduce a lot of the problems listed above. Proportional funding will never happen. I believe in socialism as a theory, but it does not work in reality. Proportional funding can happen on a state level, if we the people chose to make it happen. But without proportional representation we will never get that accomplished.

Do you understand that these problems apply to whites as well? So is the government systemically racist against whites too?- 39% of public housing is occupied by whites, whites make up 40% of food stamp recipients, and whites represent half of the public school attendees. The great thing about the United States is that we all have freedom of choice. Granted, if you are raised in a low income neighborhood surrounded by crime, then your plight will be more difficult. However, there are three rules to insure that you aren't permanently poor regardless of raise. 1) Don't have babies out of wedlock 2) Graduate from high school 3) Get a job. However, both blacks and whites suffer from these issues.- As for gerrymandering, the best/most qualified candidates for whichever governmental position they apply for should get the job. There are blacks in congress and senate. Third party struggles apply to all races. It is going to be impossible for any third party to become relevant because of the power/strength/cash of the Republicans and Democrats. For example, the green party that never even comes close to receiving a significant portion of votes. Race isn't a factor.- Your point about policing is pure conjecture. This isn't backed by any legitimate statistic, you are just stating a theory and trying to present it as a fact. I grew up in south yonkers and the south bronx. Both extremely low income areas, and now I live in a great neighborhood in Orlando and there hasn't been any noticeable difference in response time. That's another theory that you are presenting that isn't backed by any legitimate study. IF you can present me with a study that shows the average police response time between high and low income areas, then I can respect this point more.

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racismYou're welcome. You also don't see the irony of pointing out that whites are 40% of food stamp recipient? Remind me what portion of Americans are white. Hint: it's a **** of a lot more than 40%. 

All of this is conjecture. African Americans make up half of the prison population not because there is racism against them systemically but rather because they commit more crime. What you are saying is backed by no LEGITIMATE study. You are simply attributing a higher imprisonment for blacks to systemic racism with no actual proof of racism. And yes whites make up the majority of the population and that is a contributing factor as to why they have high food stamp and public housing rates. However, why is it systemic racism when blacks are poor, and going to public school but when whites are poor etc it's because they make up the majority of the population? It's a complete contradiction with no proof of legitimacy.

You do realize black people are more policed, you do realize there's a systemic difference how black/white are treated by law and how more likely a black man will be convicted of the same crime than a white man. 

Now tell me If Brock Allen was black, would the results be the same??

How many white cops have committed murder and was found "not guilty" 

talking about systematic racism, when you have white cops get away with murder.

Despite leftists like Kim Kardashian whining about "systemic racism" in policing, statistics reveal that "systemic racism" in policing simply does not exist. Here are seven stats proving this point.

1. Police are more likely to shoot whites than blacks.

As The Daily Wire reported earlier on Monday, a recent Harvard study concluded that 1,332 police shootings over the 2000-2015 time frame reveal that blacks are actually 20 percent less likely to be shot at by police than whites, despite the fact that blacks and whites are just as likely to be carrying a weapon.

This is further confirmed by a study conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice assistant professor Peter Moskos, who determined that when the homicide rate is adjusted, "whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks [to] die at the hands of police. Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police."

2. Police are also less likely to shoot at unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects.

This is according to a study conducted by Washington State University, which took 80 police officers–most of whom were white males–from the Spokane Police Department and put them in over 1,500 simulated scenarios "involving both armed and unarmed suspects who were both black and white." The researchers concluded that the officers were three times less likely to fire at unarmed black men than unarmed white men.

3. According to American Free Press's Peter Papaherakles, "For every black killed by a white police officer in the U.S. every year, there are about 71 blacks killed by other blacks."

Papaherakles came to his conclusion after examining FBI data from 2007-2012 as well as a Wall Street Journal report highlighting "hundreds of homicides by law enforcement agencies" that aren't in the FBI's database and compared it to the 7,440 blacks killed by other blacks in 2007:

The Journal analyzed “the latest data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies,” and “found more than 550 police killings during those years were missing from the national tally or, in a few dozen cases, not attributed to the agency involved. The result: It is nearly impossible to determine how many people are killed by the police each year.”

Assuming this discrepancy is correct, the adjusted yearly death tally would rise to 492 police killings per year, bringing the number of blacks killed by white police officers per year in the U.S. to 105.

Putting these figures in perspective then, for every black killed by a white police officer in the U.S. every year, there are about 71 blacks killed by other blacks.

Worse, if you take—on average—9,252 black-on-black murders every year for the past 35 years, you arrive at a staggering 323,820 blacks killed by other blacks on America’s mean streets in just three-and-a-half short decades.

4. Blacks do get pulled over for traffic stops more often than whites, but that's because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of traffic offenses.

As Heather Mac Donald writes in her book The War On Cops: How the New Attack On Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe, the Department of Justice tries to assert that racial bias in the Ferguson Police Department was inherent in the fact that blacks consisted of 85 percent of all traffic stops between 2012-2014, despite only being 67 percent of the city's residents, while whites consisted of 15 percent of all traffic stops while being 29 percent of the city's residents.

"Such figures are meaningless unless we know, just for starters, what the rate of traffic violations is among black and white drivers," writes Mac Donald. "Though most criminologists are terrified of studying the matter, the research that has been done, in New Jersey and North Carolina, found that black drivers speed disproportionately. On the New Jersey turnpike, for example, black drivers studied in 2001 sped at twice the rate of white drivers (with speeding defined as traveling at 15 mph or more above the posted limit) and traveled at the most reckless levels of speed even more disproportionately."

This is confirmed by a 2013 National Institute for Justice report that determined that three out of four blacks said they were pulled over for a "legitimate reason" and a National Highway Safety Administration report concluding that "blacks simply violated traffic laws at higher rates than whites."

Additionally, the DoJ report found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a traffic stop than whites, as 11 percent of blacks stopped were searched as opposed to five percent of whites, but as MacDonald points out, blacks tend to have a "higher rate of outstanding warrants," which explains the discrepancy.

5. Racial activists accuse stop-and-frisk of being racist, and yet the percentage of blacks stopped is actually underrepresented when compared to the percentage of blacks that commit crimes.

According to Mac Donald in a Wall Street Journal column, black persons comprised 55 percent of all of the New York City Police Department stops in 2012, even though 66 percent of violent criminals in the city are black as well as 78 percent of shooting suspects and 74 percent of shooting victims.

It is true that most stop-and-frisk subjects in New York City are minorities, but that's because most crime in the city is committed in minority neighborhoods.

6. Blacks are not over-arrested and are actually "underrepresented in prison."

Mac Donald writes in The War On Cops, "The statistics on the race of criminals as reported by the crime victims match the arrest data. As long ago as 1978, a study of robbery and aggravated assault in eight cities found parity between the race of assailants in victim reports and in arrests–a finding replicated many times, among a range of crimes."

She also points out that criminologist Alfred Blumstein determined in 1993 that "blacks were significantly underrepresented in prison for homicide compared with their presence in the arrest data."

7. By a margin of 50 percent to 46 percent, black voters support New York City's "Broken Windows" policing, according to a Quinnipiac poll. Additionally, 61 percent of black voters support "'summonses or make arrests' in their neighborhood for quality-of-life offenses," once again suggesting that there is no evidence of systemic racism in policing.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7347/7-statistics-show-systemic-racism-doesnt-exist-aaron-bandler

How many white cops have committed murder and was found "not guilty" talking about systematic racism, when you have white cops get away with murder.

You do realize black people are more policed, you do realize there's a systemic difference how black/white are treated by law and how more likely a black man will be convicted of the same crime than a white man. Now tell me If Brock Allen was black, would the results be the same??

How many white cops have committed murder and was found "not guilty" talking about systematic racism, when you have white cops get away with murder.

Give me an example of a white cop killing a black man in cold blood and if it did happen I will agree that the cop was despicable. However, that doesn't mean the entire system is rigged. It means that there is a horrible police officer and a moronic judge/jury. To paint the entire government, police force and judicial system to be racist is so incredibly untrue. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of blacks in the police force and our previous president won two elections. If the system is so rigged and racist, how did an African American win two elections ??

Despite leftists like Kim Kardashian whining about "systemic racism" in policing, statistics reveal that "systemic racism" in policing simply does not exist. Here are seven stats proving this point.1. Police are more likely to shoot whites than blacks.As The Daily Wire reported earlier on Monday, a recent Harvard study concluded that 1,332 police shootings over the 2000-2015 time frame reveal that blacks are actually 20 percent less likely to be shot at by police than whites, despite the fact that blacks and whites are just as likely to be carrying a weapon.This is further confirmed by a study conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice assistant professor Peter Moskos, who determined that when the homicide rate is adjusted, "whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks [to] die at the hands of police. Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police."2. Police are also less likely to shoot at unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects.This is according to a study conducted by Washington State University, which took 80 police officers–most of whom were white males–from the Spokane Police Department and put them in over 1,500 simulated scenarios "involving both armed and unarmed suspects who were both black and white." The researchers concluded that the officers were three times less likely to fire at unarmed black men than unarmed white men.3. According to American Free Press's Peter Papaherakles, "For every black killed by a white police officer in the U.S. every year, there are about 71 blacks killed by other blacks."Papaherakles came to his conclusion after examining FBI data from 2007-2012 as well as a Wall Street Journal report highlighting "hundreds of homicides by law enforcement agencies" that aren't in the FBI's database and compared it to the 7,440 blacks killed by other blacks in 2007:The Journal analyzed “the latest data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies,” and “found more than 550 police killings during those years were missing from the national tally or, in a few dozen cases, not attributed to the agency involved. The result: It is nearly impossible to determine how many people are killed by the police each year.”Assuming this discrepancy is correct, the adjusted yearly death tally would rise to 492 police killings per year, bringing the number of blacks killed by white police officers per year in the U.S. to 105.Putting these figures in perspective then, for every black killed by a white police officer in the U.S. every year, there are about 71 blacks killed by other blacks.Worse, if you take—on average—9,252 black-on-black murders every year for the past 35 years, you arrive at a staggering 323,820 blacks killed by other blacks on America’s mean streets in just three-and-a-half short decades.4. Blacks do get pulled over for traffic stops more often than whites, but that's because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of traffic offenses.As Heather Mac Donald writes in her book The War On Cops: How the New Attack On Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe, the Department of Justice tries to assert that racial bias in the Ferguson Police Department was inherent in the fact that blacks consisted of 85 percent of all traffic stops between 2012-2014, despite only being 67 percent of the city's residents, while whites consisted of 15 percent of all traffic stops while being 29 percent of the city's residents."Such figures are meaningless unless we know, just for starters, what the rate of traffic violations is among black and white drivers," writes Mac Donald. "Though most criminologists are terrified of studying the matter, the research that has been done, in New Jersey and North Carolina, found that black drivers speed disproportionately. On the New Jersey turnpike, for example, black drivers studied in 2001 sped at twice the rate of white drivers (with speeding defined as traveling at 15 mph or more above the posted limit) and traveled at the most reckless levels of speed even more disproportionately."This is confirmed by a 2013 National Institute for Justice report that determined that three out of four blacks said they were pulled over for a "legitimate reason" and a National Highway Safety Administration report concluding that "blacks simply violated traffic laws at higher rates than whites."Additionally, the DoJ report found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a traffic stop than whites, as 11 percent of blacks stopped were searched as opposed to five percent of whites, but as MacDonald points out, blacks tend to have a "higher rate of outstanding warrants," which explains the discrepancy.5. Racial activists accuse stop-and-frisk of being racist, and yet the percentage of blacks stopped is actually underrepresented when compared to the percentage of blacks that commit crimes.According to Mac Donald in a Wall Street Journal column, black persons comprised 55 percent of all of the New York City Police Department stops in 2012, even though 66 percent of violent criminals in the city are black as well as 78 percent of shooting suspects and 74 percent of shooting victims.It is true that most stop-and-frisk subjects in New York City are minorities, but that's because most crime in the city is committed in minority neighborhoods.6. Blacks are not over-arrested and are actually "underrepresented in prison."Mac Donald writes in The War On Cops, "The statistics on the race of criminals as reported by the crime victims match the arrest data. As long ago as 1978, a study of robbery and aggravated assault in eight cities found parity between the race of assailants in victim reports and in arrests–a finding replicated many times, among a range of crimes."She also points out that criminologist Alfred Blumstein determined in 1993 that "blacks were significantly underrepresented in prison for homicide compared with their presence in the arrest data."7. By a margin of 50 percent to 46 percent, black voters support New York City's "Broken Windows" policing, according to a Quinnipiac poll. Additionally, 61 percent of black voters support "'summonses or make arrests' in their neighborhood for quality-of-life offenses," once again suggesting that there is no evidence of systemic racism in policing.http://www.dailywire.com/news/7347/7-statistics-show-systemic-racism-doesnt-exist-aaron-bandler

Thank you!! The daily wire is awesome by the way. Ben Shapiro for president!!

*** is this thread?

^The fact that the first liberal that comes to your mind is Kim ******* Kardashian is pathetic and telling on so many levels. I'm sorry your educational system failed you.

I was really proud of Nicole. No clue why she psyched herself out. Also, Marie not doing the challenge is v me. 

Also, did I miss a segment with Tori and Aneesa or something? Why does Tori hate Aneesa? 

^The fact that the first liberal that comes to your mind is Kim ******* Kardashian is pathetic and telling on so many levels. I'm sorry your educational system failed you.

In your haste to criticize, you missed that it wasn't me that wrote the article. I even linked the source.  

In the name-calling department, you have about a 100-1 lead. In the making an intellectual point department, it'll be almost exactly reversed once you score.

I was really proud of Nicole. No clue why she psyched herself out. Also, Marie not doing the challenge is v me. 

Nany tease

Y'all are going off in this thread

I don't need to make points (of which I have many), because they won't work, I wish it were that easy. I'm sorry for taking a shot at your intelligence because that in truth is not the problem. The problem is a fundamental lack of empathy which is a ***** to teach. 

But yes, let us move on. What the **** was the topic?

*** is this thread?

It's in response to the aftershow on racism last night. Some are practicing critical thinking while others are resorting to emotional arguments by parroting back false narratives.

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