The fact that old schoolers and veterans are taking up 5/6 of the final spots shows how weak the new generation is. so if they want to focus on the new kids, time to bring in people who can actually compete and not rely on the veterans to make power moves for them. If not for the Invasion format, CT/Shane/Darrell were the best 3 male competitors left.
They can just stop casting old schoolers and vets. I mean when you think about it there's no reason for them now...
i think there are new generation players that can bring something but mtv keeps relying on the same tired regulars who keep flopping every season. Ashley was the only exception since she actually won. Regardless of how people think she was lucky to be there. Replace Jenna, Dario, Tony, and Cory with Marlon, Jason, Averey, Ceejai, Dione etc. I don't want to see the same tired newer regulars on the next challenge only so they can lose before the final again.
rwportland2 wrote:The fact that old schoolers and veterans are taking up 5/6 of the final spots shows how weak the new generation is. so if they want to focus on the new kids, time to bring in people who can actually compete and not rely on the veterans to make power moves for them. If not for the Invasion format, CT/Shane/Darrell were the best 3 male competitors left.
They can just stop casting old schoolers and vets. I mean when you think about it there's no reason for them now...
Unless you want to see decent competitors that actually add to the show. These new kids can't compete and rely on bullshit drama to try to be relevant. The vets and old schoolers kept beating them--proof they should be the priority
No they shouldn't. What happens when all of them retire? I mean these people are adults who have lives now. You really think putting a bunch of people who've had their time and are past their prime will do this show any good? Come on now.
Prize money just went up--who says they're retiring? Even "past their prime" they're dominating these kids
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
Chet was decent--not a guy that is going to make finals though. Ashley was good. JD is okay. Dustin is pathetic.
Seasons showed what happens when their aren't vets/old schoolers. Horrible ratings and finalists that aren't worthy
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
rwportland2 wrote:The fact that old schoolers and veterans are taking up 5/6 of the final spots shows how weak the new generation is. so if they want to focus on the new kids, time to bring in people who can actually compete and not rely on the veterans to make power moves for them. If not for the Invasion format, CT/Shane/Darrell were the best 3 male competitors left.
They can just stop casting old schoolers and vets. I mean when you think about it there's no reason for them now...
i think there are new generation players that can bring something but mtv keeps relying on the same tired regulars who keep flopping every season. Ashley was the only exception since she actually won. Regardless of how people think she was lucky to be there. Replace Jenna, Dario, Tony, and Cory with Marlon, Jason, Averey, Ceejai, Dione etc. I don't want to see the same tired newer regulars on the next challenge only so they can lose before the final again.
Yeah I agree. I just think it's crap that people say that all the new school are weak when he have people who aren't bad on the show and people who have yet to debut who'll seem like they do well too. But I wouldn't replace anyone though. Just add the people you listed with the existing regulars, and sprinkle in some AYTO( I don't like them on the show but it's clear that they're going to keep using them) that are worth a shit and I think they'll be fine.
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
You know that I'm exagerating a little bit but the point is still the same. When we had a season with only fresh faces the final was full of bad competitors/ competitors that shouldn't arenth final worthy. I know that you don't give a shit about the competition aspect of the show, but the veery majority of viewers do. So sadly for you, they will never attempt to do shit like that again; you'll have to live with the " tired vets ".
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
Chet was decent--not a guy that is going to make finals though. Ashley was good. JD is okay. Dustin is pathetic.Seasons showed what happens when their aren't vets/old schoolers. Horrible ratings and finalists that aren't worthy
Well horrible ratings happen when you keep casting the same people over and over again and barley introducing new people.
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
Chet was decent--not a guy that is going to make finals though. Ashley was good. JD is okay. Dustin is pathetic.Seasons showed what happens when their aren't vets/old schoolers. Horrible ratings and finalists that aren't worthy
Well horrible ratings happen when you keep casting the same people over and over again and barley introducing new people.
Seasons wasn't that though so you aren't making a good point. We agree casting was awful for years but you not wanting to include vets is just as stupid as them not introducing new people. You never limit casting. Especially since Shane pretty much saved Invasion.
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
You know that I'm exagerating a little bit but the point is still the same. When we had a season with only fresh faces the final was full of bad competitors/ competitors that shouldn't arenth final worthy. I know that you don't give a shit about the competition aspect of the show, but the veery majority of viewers do. So sadly for you, they will never attempt to do shit like that again; you'll have to live with the " tired vets ".
And when all those tired vets bite the dust you'll have to live with those people you deem as weak "Flops".
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
You know that I'm exagerating a little bit but the point is still the same. When we had a season with only fresh faces the final was full of bad competitors/ competitors that shouldn't arenth final worthy. I know that you don't give a shit about the competition aspect of the show, but the veery majority of viewers do. So sadly for you, they will never attempt to do shit like that again; you'll have to live with the " tired vets ".
And when all those tired vets bite the dust you'll have to live with those people you deem as weak "Flops".
If we're being real--the show dies at that point....when we're relying on Cory & Jenna we're doomed. The reality is not being able to keep people like Jonna, Nany, CJ & Frank have really hurt the show
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
You know that I'm exagerating a little bit but the point is still the same. When we had a season with only fresh faces the final was full of bad competitors/ competitors that shouldn't arenth final worthy. I know that you don't give a shit about the competition aspect of the show, but the veery majority of viewers do. So sadly for you, they will never attempt to do shit like that again; you'll have to live with the " tired vets ".
And when all those tired vets bite the dust you'll have to live with those people you deem as weak "Flops".
The show will be canceled jk jk.
imo, Invasion was the perfect mixture of what a season should be, the new guys provided drama and the vets were chill and bring only funny commentary and some competition ( those champs elimination >>> ). Next seasons should be like that imo, but wanting production to not cast " tired vets " anymore is just a dream.
Priink wrote:Just look at the finalist on BOTS :Zach : FlopAshley K : FlopSam : FlopDustin : never passed episode 3 after thatTrishelle : only time she saw a final I thinkChet : flopJD : flopDevyn : Queen of FlopsOnly Sarah and Frank are good competitors.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.The rest I agree aren't that good.
Chet was decent--not a guy that is going to make finals though. Ashley was good. JD is okay. Dustin is pathetic.Seasons showed what happens when their aren't vets/old schoolers. Horrible ratings and finalists that aren't worthy
Well horrible ratings happen when you keep casting the same people over and over again and barley introducing new people.
Seasons wasn't that though so you aren't making a good point. We agree casting was awful for years but you not wanting to include vets is just as stupid as them not introducing new people. You never limit casting. Especially since Shane pretty much saved Invasion.
No. I'm saying That's WHY Seasons 2 did bad ratings wise. The people that were on that season either had not been on before or were barely introduced in the previous challenges they were on. Of course it wasn't going to do well. Many people didn't know who they were and they were used to JEK and friends. THAT'S why it flopped.
I don't see how I'm limiting casting. It's not like I'm going to cast people stricly from the last 4 seaosns of RW and then AYTO..I'm going for all across the board here. I just don't put that much importance on Old-Schoolers and Vets like you and so many others do.
i think there are new generation players that can bring something but mtv keeps relying on the same tired regulars who keep flopping every season. Ashley was the only exception since she actually won. Regardless of how people think she was lucky to be there. Replace Jenna, Dario, Tony, and Cory with Marlon, Jason, Averey, Ceejai, Dione etc. I don't want to see the same tired newer regulars on the next challenge only so they can lose before the final again.
I think next season they will cast bunch of the AYTO season 5 cast since they need money lol
Prize money just went up--who says they're retiring? Even "past their prime" they're dominating these kids
The fact that 2 finalists from last season make it to another final is annoying tbh
Because the dumb **** you root for lost twice
Do we know when the final is taking place
Exactly. Obviously being in your prime doesn't mean anything if you're getting your *** kicked by older people.
Chet is not a flop and Neither is Ashley, JD I think is not that bad(I don't recall him being a bad competitor), Dustin has had Bad luck most of the time after Seasons 2. And as much I don't like Zach and he has been dissapointing in some aspects but he's not terrible either. Someone said that he doesn't know how to use his strenth and I think if he did he'd be better than what he is.
The rest I agree aren't that good.
Kailah beat Aneesa... she can definitely leave before the final knowing she worked that *** off. My girl is a beast.
Chet was decent--not a guy that is going to make finals though. Ashley was good. JD is okay. Dustin is pathetic.
Seasons showed what happens when their aren't vets/old schoolers. Horrible ratings and finalists that aren't worthy
chet is most definitely a flop
Yeah I agree. I just think it's crap that people say that all the new school are weak when he have people who aren't bad on the show and people who have yet to debut who'll seem like they do well too. But I wouldn't replace anyone though. Just add the people you listed with the existing regulars, and sprinkle in some AYTO( I don't like them on the show but it's clear that they're going to keep using them) that are worth a shit and I think they'll be fine.
Don't think Aneesa trained. When she did that special with Jenna & Cory she looked bigger than usual.
I was fine with you til I saw this
crawl away before I drop kick you to the center of the earth
You know that I'm exagerating a little bit but the point is still the same. When we had a season with only fresh faces the final was full of bad competitors/ competitors that shouldn't arenth final worthy. I know that you don't give a shit about the competition aspect of the show, but the veery majority of viewers do. So sadly for you, they will never attempt to do shit like that again; you'll have to live with the " tired vets ".
Well horrible ratings happen when you keep casting the same people over and over again and barley introducing new people.
Aw. I've always liked JD, lool.
LOL imagine were all here complaining about who will win, when they are trekking up some steep mountain in a moonsoon as we speak
Me too, but I'm talking competition wise
Seasons wasn't that though so you aren't making a good point. We agree casting was awful for years but you not wanting to include vets is just as stupid as them not introducing new people. You never limit casting. Especially since Shane pretty much saved Invasion.
Tony is eliminated. Camila is no longer on his junk.
And when all those tired vets bite the dust you'll have to live with those people you deem as weak "Flops".
I see this final being pretty entertaining and anyone is up for grabs for winning.
If we're being real--the show dies at that point....when we're relying on Cory & Jenna we're doomed. The reality is not being able to keep people like Jonna, Nany, CJ & Frank have really hurt the show
I feel like this final will be the same format and layout as FA but "harder" so it's the " hardest challenge final ever"
I actually like the new era women though. The worst set of female competitors was arguably from the JEK/Fresh Meat era.
The show will be canceled jk jk.
imo, Invasion was the perfect mixture of what a season should be, the new guys provided drama and the vets were chill and bring only funny commentary and some competition ( those champs elimination >>> ). Next seasons should be like that imo, but wanting production to not cast " tired vets " anymore is just a dream.
lmao I'm sorry I ship it, love you though <3
No. I'm saying That's WHY Seasons 2 did bad ratings wise. The people that were on that season either had not been on before or were barely introduced in the previous challenges they were on. Of course it wasn't going to do well. Many people didn't know who they were and they were used to JEK and friends. THAT'S why it flopped.
I don't see how I'm limiting casting. It's not like I'm going to cast people stricly from the last 4 seaosns of RW and then AYTO..I'm going for all across the board here. I just don't put that much importance on Old-Schoolers and Vets like you and so many others do.
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