Well I hate to bring it up and I am done talking about Bananas after this, but Bananas literally would have had to TRY to lose the Island, Ruins, and Rivals 3.
I don't know about that. Rivals 3 100%. The show was on lock from the beginning. The others? Not so much.
A lot had to break the right way for Johnny on the Island. If Abe doesn't go home, Johnny goes home. If Derrick doesn't willingly send himself into elimination, Johnny goes home. If Evelyn doesn't want to work with Kenny and Derrick, Johnny goes home. Johnny winning the Island was a product of Kenny and Derrick. He doesn't win that show without them pulling strings for him.
The same goes for the Ruins. Johnny, probably after Syrus, was considered the weakest guy on the Champions team. Had they lost any challenge when he was nominated he would have been 100000% called out. Were it also not for Kenny backing him up and keeping the peace between him and Derrick/Evan, his own team would have thrown him in, and when it got down to just those four, that's what happened. Johnny owes his first two wins to Kenny and I think it was far from a foregone conclusion that he would win those.
The Challenge he should've won but ****** up was Bloodlines. He gets a D1 football player of a partner and a house full of weak guys. He just got scared of Abram when he came and made a lot of stupid decisions.
Bananas had a huge alliance on the Island. The reason he almost lost was because he was a **** and ****** off the 2 people who were good enough to beat him (Ev and KellyAnne). That's still his fault, but other than that he had an easy ride with everyone on his side. The Ruins, they were going to throw in Darrell over and over. That changed when he fought Brad. That team was stacked to the point that it was all theirs to lose. Yet they almost lost to Sarah and KellyAnne. I don't think either one of those wins were played that well and they aren't that impressive to me.
You can grill CM for having good partners, but the guys on the Island and Ruins had the easiest route to victory on an Challenge ever. The fact that Bananas almost blew it for himself on those shows he's not as good as he's thought to be.
Bananas had a huge alliance on the Island. The reason he almost lost was because he was a **** and ****** off the 2 people who were good enough to beat him (Ev and KellyAnne). That's still his fault, but other than that he had an easy ride with everyone on his side. The Ruins, they were going to throw in Darrell over and over. That changed when he fought Brad. That team was stacked to the point that it was all theirs to lose. Yet they almost lost to Sarah and KellyAnne. I don't think either one of those wins were played that well and they aren't that impressive to me. You can grill CM for having good partners, but the guys on the Island and Ruins had the easiest route to victory on an Challenge ever. The fact that Bananas almost blew it for himself on those shows he's not as good as he's thought to be.
Thank you for saying this. I never believed them when they promised him he'd be safe until the final. They would've found a way to throw him in.
Everyone develops their skills at their own pace. To say it's pathetic is a bit much.And in Cara's case was her lack of confidence that impeded her. She also wasn't as good as she now. But she was always viewed as a contender and potential threat, even in her early challenges, so there was something there.
it wasnt just confidence though....she just wasnt that good of an athlete. she wasnt that strong, agile or anything really. i dont think anyone really considered her that big of a threat. she was bottom tier in cutthroat, exes and middle tier in the rest up until agents. there was always a handful of girls on every challenge that were better performers than her
i do think its a bit pathetic that someone needs to do something 7 times in order to finally "get it." it shows that shes a very "slow" to catch on. if you give anyone that many tries they'll finally figure it out.
HonestTea101 wrote:Cara did improve but it was on her 7th challenge when she got her shit together. Little to late IMO.
Ya'll are tripping. Cara did great most Challenges except Exes II. The only partner she really held back was Cooke, who imo, could have been the greatest of all time, so anyone really would have held her back. Besides, Cooke was happy to have her over Naomi lolPS she made 3 finals before that. That's not exactly not having your shit together.
Disagree. I think people here are underrating her performance on Cutthroat (I thought she was a little better than middle of the pack that challenge) but she was definitely not good on Fresh Meat (dragged *** in Exile), Exes and Rivals 2 (which you stated), and Rivals 1. Rivals 1 she and Laurel DQed in 5/8 challenges. They made the final by winning eliminations (pretty much her MO), one of which was a pushing contest with Jonna and Jaz. Free Agents she was good, Bloodlines she was pretty good (still had some bad performances), and Cutthroat she was fine. She gets a p*** on Seasons because of Easy. If that team had Kenny or Evan, or even Noor or Pete they would've been pretty good.
i thought she was pretty sad on cutthroat. she flopped in the challenge where they had to hang upside down. horrific in the swimming challenge. couldnt make the jump on bed head and she had the easiest job next to tori in the final. she ranged from bad to acceptable at best. she was downright horrible in 3/9 challenges and unremarkable in the rest. and while she won against mandi, she didnt really impress. she wouldve lost to sarah, theresa, laurel, emily, camila and probably paula, jenn in any of those eliminations
there wasnt much to see on seasons but she still got her *** handed to her by marie in 0.5 seconds right after chet told her "YOU HAVE TO WIN THIS." the vets existence in the game was on her shoulders and she couldnt come through...thank god camila was able to come and clean that mess up.
her performance on exes was very very ugly. she held back abram in EVERY mission
at this point, cara is basically a emily-lite. they have similar abilities except emily is just a mediocre swimmer while cara is a below average/bad one.
Does anyone have any idea why Danny chose Sandy on FMII ? She was absolutely terrible and he had 3rd pick. Both Theresa and Sydney were available.
She was 2nd in jumping, 5th in sprinting (but they all were close in both of those and pull ups), and 2nd in the obstacle course. Not sure about the things they didn't show, but on paper she was a solid pick. Theresa and Sydney were average on paper but way better. I'm guessing it was the 2nd place in the obstacle course that did it.
Does anyone have any idea why Danny chose Sandy on FMII ? She was absolutely terrible and he had 3rd pick. Both Theresa and Sydney were available.
She was 2nd in jumping, 5th in sprinting (but they all were close in both of those and pull ups), and 2nd in the obstacle course. Not sure about the things they didn't show, but on paper she was a solid pick. Theresa and Sydney were average on paper but way better. I'm guessing it was the 2nd place in the obstacle course that did it.
Oh. I didn't know she came second. I still think it should've been obvious but I guess Danny isn't too clever.
Oh. I didn't know she came second. I still think it should've been obvious but I guess Danny isn't too clever.
Why would it be obvious to pick Theresa or Sydney if Sandy had better stats?
I thought she looked less athletic but looking at a cast picture she's not so different than them two. Maybe it was her sucky performance which changed how i remembered her. My mistake.
I thought she looked less athletic but looking at a cast picture she's not so different than them two. Maybe it was her sucky performance which changed how i remembered her. My mistake.
I'm glad Danny didn't pick Theresa, she would've gone home sooner with him lol
I think it was tough to tell between a lot of the girls after Laurel and Cara. I remember a daily of Kenny and Wes talking after Danny got sent home and Kenny was saying how Danny ****** up picking Sandy when he had third pick of the girls. Wes said it was kind of a crapshoot between Sandy, Sydney, Mandi, and Theresa since their numbers were pretty similar and they were all in winter clothes so you couldn't even really tell who was in more athletic shape.
I'm surprised Theresa went in the bottom half but I think that was because a lot of guys were worried about having a taller girl and her stats weren't great like Laurel's to justify the risk.
Mandi was the slowest and DQ'ed in the obstacle course, she had worst stats (that were shown) of anyone, but Wes picked her over both Sydney and Theresa. That was more surprising than Danny picking Sandy to me.
True to all of that^ except it was clearly 1) Laurel and Cara2) Sandy, Sydney, and Theresa3) Mandi and CarleyMandi was the slowest and DQ'ed in the obstacle course, she had worst stats (that were shown) of anyone, but Wes picked her over both Sydney and Theresa. That was more surprising than Danny picking Sandy to me.
Yeah that's true. I think Wes, when he feels like there isn't a clear option, just picks the girl he thinks is the best looking. He said that's why he picked Casey on Fresh Meat 1, even though Diem was still available. The two standout girls were off the board and he thought it would be funny to annoy Johanna with him having a cute girl for a partner. Plus in Mandi's case I believe it was said that they were able to talk a little about themselves (which was cut from the show) and Mandi said that she did cross country running competively.
I feel like in the challenges themselves sandy performed the worst. Cara went home way too early to be able to tell. And mandi didn't do too bad either (in the challenges/exile). Iirc wes slowed her down in the exile xD
laurel had the best stats for sure. cara had pull ups and a sprint but her obstacle course was not great
sandy was great at puzzles. she knocked out the obstacle course because of the puzzle and this carried over in the exile when they almost took out pete and jill.
also there was some other tests that they didnt air on TV that you briefly saw mentioned in the stats when you see people making their picks. Bench press, shuttle run and 7 cone drill were all tested and i believe theresa did better than laurel in the 7 cone drill. overall theresa was a pretty average performer in her first two challenges. vinny had an impressive bench press that was better than noors. i dont think any girl scored anything beyond a 0 in the bench press.
mandi's stats were pretty horific and her actual mission performance didnt exactly portray anything differently. do we remember how mandi/sydney got steamrolled by laurel/jill in logged out? they singlehandedly lost that challenge for wes/CJ. mandi has only had one soild performance on rivals with jenn
I didn't like Frank that much either. But he was still good competition and if they hadnt paired him up with bananas on rivals 2 i feel like he could've brought a lot to future challenges. (In terms of sending Bananas *** home)
I didn't like Frank that much either. But he was still good competition and if they hadnt paired him up with bananas on rivals 2 i feel like he could've brought a lot to future challenges. (In terms of sending Bananas *** home)
I think they were hoping that Bananas and Frank would be a really good but really dysfunctional pair, kind of like Kenny/Wes (really hard to eliminate but awful/fighting a lot in missions). Sucks that it turned out to be the opposite and they actually ended up liking each other, because I think I would like Frank a lot more if he was anti-Bananas.
I don't know about that. Rivals 3 100%. The show was on lock from the beginning. The others? Not so much.
A lot had to break the right way for Johnny on the Island. If Abe doesn't go home, Johnny goes home. If Derrick doesn't willingly send himself into elimination, Johnny goes home. If Evelyn doesn't want to work with Kenny and Derrick, Johnny goes home. Johnny winning the Island was a product of Kenny and Derrick. He doesn't win that show without them pulling strings for him.
The same goes for the Ruins. Johnny, probably after Syrus, was considered the weakest guy on the Champions team. Had they lost any challenge when he was nominated he would have been 100000% called out. Were it also not for Kenny backing him up and keeping the peace between him and Derrick/Evan, his own team would have thrown him in, and when it got down to just those four, that's what happened. Johnny owes his first two wins to Kenny and I think it was far from a foregone conclusion that he would win those.
The Challenge he should've won but ****** up was Bloodlines. He gets a D1 football player of a partner and a house full of weak guys. He just got scared of Abram when he came and made a lot of stupid decisions.
Bananas had a huge alliance on the Island. The reason he almost lost was because he was a **** and ****** off the 2 people who were good enough to beat him (Ev and KellyAnne). That's still his fault, but other than that he had an easy ride with everyone on his side. The Ruins, they were going to throw in Darrell over and over. That changed when he fought Brad. That team was stacked to the point that it was all theirs to lose. Yet they almost lost to Sarah and KellyAnne. I don't think either one of those wins were played that well and they aren't that impressive to me.
You can grill CM for having good partners, but the guys on the Island and Ruins had the easiest route to victory on an Challenge ever. The fact that Bananas almost blew it for himself on those shows he's not as good as he's thought to be.
Thank you for saying this. I never believed them when they promised him he'd be safe until the final. They would've found a way to throw him in.
it wasnt just confidence though....she just wasnt that good of an athlete. she wasnt that strong, agile or anything really. i dont think anyone really considered her that big of a threat. she was bottom tier in cutthroat, exes and middle tier in the rest up until agents. there was always a handful of girls on every challenge that were better performers than her
i do think its a bit pathetic that someone needs to do something 7 times in order to finally "get it." it shows that shes a very "slow" to catch on. if you give anyone that many tries they'll finally figure it out.
i thought she was pretty sad on cutthroat. she flopped in the challenge where they had to hang upside down. horrific in the swimming challenge. couldnt make the jump on bed head and she had the easiest job next to tori in the final. she ranged from bad to acceptable at best. she was downright horrible in 3/9 challenges and unremarkable in the rest. and while she won against mandi, she didnt really impress. she wouldve lost to sarah, theresa, laurel, emily, camila and probably paula, jenn in any of those eliminations
there wasnt much to see on seasons but she still got her *** handed to her by marie in 0.5 seconds right after chet told her "YOU HAVE TO WIN THIS." the vets existence in the game was on her shoulders and she couldnt come through...thank god camila was able to come and clean that mess up.
her performance on exes was very very ugly. she held back abram in EVERY mission
at this point, cara is basically a emily-lite. they have similar abilities except emily is just a mediocre swimmer while cara is a below average/bad one.
No....You are blinder.
Does anyone have any idea why Danny chose Sandy on FMII ? She was absolutely terrible and he had 3rd pick. Both Theresa and Sydney were available.
You are bilnder.
She was 2nd in jumping, 5th in sprinting (but they all were close in both of those and pull ups), and 2nd in the obstacle course. Not sure about the things they didn't show, but on paper she was a solid pick. Theresa and Sydney were average on paper but way better. I'm guessing it was the 2nd place in the obstacle course that did it.
Oh. I didn't know she came second. I still think it should've been obvious but I guess Danny isn't too clever.
Why would it be obvious to pick Theresa or Sydney if Sandy had better stats?
You are blindest, infinity.
I thought she looked less athletic but looking at a cast picture she's not so different than them two. Maybe it was her sucky performance which changed how i remembered her. My mistake.
I'm glad Danny didn't pick Theresa, she would've gone home sooner with him lol
I think it was tough to tell between a lot of the girls after Laurel and Cara. I remember a daily of Kenny and Wes talking after Danny got sent home and Kenny was saying how Danny ****** up picking Sandy when he had third pick of the girls. Wes said it was kind of a crapshoot between Sandy, Sydney, Mandi, and Theresa since their numbers were pretty similar and they were all in winter clothes so you couldn't even really tell who was in more athletic shape.
I'm surprised Theresa went in the bottom half but I think that was because a lot of guys were worried about having a taller girl and her stats weren't great like Laurel's to justify the risk.
I'm pretty sure everyone was basing on how athletic they looked since luke (really good stats) was picked last.
Theresa definitely improved over the years.
Also, although i love Cara, i wish Darrell had gone with Laurel instead.
True to all of that^ except it was clearly
1) Laurel and Cara
2) Sandy, Sydney, and Theresa
3) Mandi and Carley
Mandi was the slowest and DQ'ed in the obstacle course, she had worst stats (that were shown) of anyone, but Wes picked her over both Sydney and Theresa. That was more surprising than Danny picking Sandy to me.
Yeah that's true. I think Wes, when he feels like there isn't a clear option, just picks the girl he thinks is the best looking. He said that's why he picked Casey on Fresh Meat 1, even though Diem was still available. The two standout girls were off the board and he thought it would be funny to annoy Johanna with him having a cute girl for a partner. Plus in Mandi's case I believe it was said that they were able to talk a little about themselves (which was cut from the show) and Mandi said that she did cross country running competively.
I feel like in the challenges themselves sandy performed the worst. Cara went home way too early to be able to tell. And mandi didn't do too bad either (in the challenges/exile). Iirc wes slowed her down in the exile xD
laurel had the best stats for sure. cara had pull ups and a sprint but her obstacle course was not great
sandy was great at puzzles. she knocked out the obstacle course because of the puzzle and this carried over in the exile when they almost took out pete and jill.
also there was some other tests that they didnt air on TV that you briefly saw mentioned in the stats when you see people making their picks. Bench press, shuttle run and 7 cone drill were all tested and i believe theresa did better than laurel in the 7 cone drill. overall theresa was a pretty average performer in her first two challenges. vinny had an impressive bench press that was better than noors. i dont think any girl scored anything beyond a 0 in the bench press.
mandi's stats were pretty horific and her actual mission performance didnt exactly portray anything differently. do we remember how mandi/sydney got steamrolled by laurel/jill in logged out? they singlehandedly lost that challenge for wes/CJ. mandi has only had one soild performance on rivals with jenn
Aside from a few situations I don't think Frank(San Diego 2) was that bad on Seasons 2.
he was so **** obnoxious imo. he def turned off viewers that season
Knight slapping Frank at the Rivals 2 reunion was so satisfying.
I don't think anyone disagrees with that
@ me just trying to point up to rwportland's post but I discovered a new smiley instead.
I didn't like Frank that much either. But he was still good competition and if they hadnt paired him up with bananas on rivals 2 i feel like he could've brought a lot to future challenges. (In terms of sending Bananas *** home)
I think they were hoping that Bananas and Frank would be a really good but really dysfunctional pair, kind of like Kenny/Wes (really hard to eliminate but awful/fighting a lot in missions). Sucks that it turned out to be the opposite and they actually ended up liking each other, because I think I would like Frank a lot more if he was anti-Bananas.
Rivals 2 should have never happened.
None of the Rivals seasons should've happened. What should've been the best "theme" has been the worst.
Agreed like at this point Exes is a better theme than it and that's only because of Exes 2.
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