After a long absence Bill Simmons put up a challenge podcast on his new website with Juliet Litman (no more Jacoby thank God). My main takeaway from it is that I have yet to hear a challenge podcast that likes Jessica. NoQuitters hates her. Bill asked Juliet which girl would be worst case scenario for his daughter to turn out like and after eliminating the unrealistic options (Ashley) she said Jessica.
After a long absence Bill Simmons put up a challenge podcast on his new website with Juliet Litman (no more Jacoby thank God). My main takeaway from it is that I have yet to hear a challenge podcast that likes Jessica. NoQuitters hates her. Bill asked Juliet which girl would be worst case scenario for his daughter to turn out like and after eliminating the unrealistic options (Ashley) she said Jessica.
that is very harsh. did they say why? compared to the vast majority of the girls on the show jessica is quite normal and wholesome. she is not an embarrassing person to be related to. other non embarrassing daughters would be sarah, susie, tori, jill, theresa. on the other hand if my daugher turned out like kailah, amanda, jenna, laurel, paula i would change my last name, not have anymore kids(due to risk of having another disaster), or leave them out of the inheritance. they would be the unfortunate topic of discussion that gets your heart beating , sweat glands stimulating profusely, and head hanging down in shame when your friends ask u how ur kids are doing at lunch time. jessica is not that by any means. she is a good girl....ipeople are and always have been way too harsh on her
I don't think they were choosing based on who's the most wholesome or least embarrassing lol. And fyi Jessica is embarrassing. She has no self-awareness, pretends to be innocent but rolls around with dudes like Tony (two baby mommas) and Dustin (sexually assaulted someone thinking he can get away with it because he's ~famoose) and has the mental/emotional capacity of someone ten years her junior. Granted, most of this stuff probably isn't anything she can help, but I wouldn't place her in the same category as confident, self-assured women like Sarah, Susie, Tori, Jill and Theresa.
How is Sarah in this legion of self-assured, confident daughters? I actually like her and think she's come a long way since letting Kenny & co. shit on her in the Ruins (pretty sure that was the challenge?) but she is still trying to ********* Bananas on the low. For the past two challenges she's said things along the lines of "that was all you", "great partner, thank you", etc. despite claiming that she doesnt care about him and that he's an evil psychopath. She also still speaks about him for a good portion of every single Brain Candy podcast. I think she's generally a smart girl but she cares way too much about the approval of someone who doesnt respect her to be on that list.
Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
Absolutely, I think a lot of times naivety and low self esteem are associated with having a "nice", wholesome personality. I think that what a lot of people are saying that they either dont buy Jess being so wholesome or that those pros are outweighed by how annoying they think she is (I'm in the latter camp).
i just watched sarah's facebook live for mtv...she is definitely more likable when she is not interacting with susie (eventhough I love their friendship)...i feel like she tries to hard to make it seem like she doesnt care what others think when she does...and I think even susie knows that.
Yet again, either Coral or Ace dropped out from the live show this week. They may as well close down that whole operation lmao they haven't done one since the first episode. Coral probably doesn't feel like dealing with Ace's corny ***; she just needs her own livestream/podcast where she invites other old-school guests (or newer people that she's talked to). She should try getting with LaToya; does she still do a podcast?
i just watched sarah's facebook live for mtv...she is definitely more likable when she is not interacting with susie (eventhough I love their friendship)...i feel like she tries to hard to make it seem like she doesnt care what others think when she does...and I think even susie knows that.
My only exposure to Sarah is through brain candy and challenges/aftershows so this is fair
Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
yes. Not having complete confidence in yourself, and submitting yourself to authority is actually healthy and normal
it makes me laugh so much when people talk about how Jessica's need to please people ****** them off. It's actually admirable for a person to be a people pleaser. They clearly haven't dealt with someone who has the quality of which is the opposite because if they did they wouldn't be admiring it
Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
Absolutely, I think a lot of times naivety and low self esteem are associated with having a "nice", wholesome personality. I think that what a lot of people are saying that they either dont buy Jess being so wholesome or that those pros are outweighed by how annoying they think she is (I'm in the latter camp).
i don't think naivety is required for being wholesomeness but it's definitely an assistance. If you are cultured, and have been through a lot or have seen how people live in third world countries then you're going to have a more cynical and corrupted perspective on life compared to someone like Jessica who is naive and doesn't know what's going on outside of her first world bubble. High intelligence is actually positively correlated with depression and psychological issues and I think it's because smart people are more aware of their surroundings and are able to see the the "truth" in reality. Dumber or more naive people generally have happier and more wholesome lives and a more positive and healthy mindset
i don't consider Jessica's low self esteem to be a defect of any sort. Most girls her age are very insecure...this is very normal
I believe one of the reasons Jessica didn't get along with her cast was due to how wholesome she was
Ana - emotionally unstable and was dating a crack head wasn't she?
Averey - getting into fist fights with your mom is so wrong . Lack of parental support which is the most important and critical piece to a child's healthy development
johnny - no self esteem, withdrawn, recoiled and inwardly bitter
marlon - obvious confliction with his bisexuality
jordan - no hand. dad that showed him no emotional and soul nurturing support. Too much "tough love." Also possibly dealing with repressed homosexuality
Compared to all of them Jessica really did have her shit together
I believe one of the reasons Jessica didn't get along with her cast was due to how wholesome she wasAna - emotionally unstable and was dating a crack head wasn't she? Averey - getting into fist fights with your mom is so wrong . Lack of parental support which is the most important and critical piece to a child's healthy developmentjohnny - no self esteem, withdrawn, recoiled and inwardly bittermarlon - obvious confliction with his bisexuality jordan - no hand. dad that showed him no emotional and soul nurturing support. Too much "tough love." Also possibly dealing with repressed homosexuality Compared to all of them Jessica really did have her shit together
boy we got ourselves a regular sigmund freud over here
Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
yes. Not having complete confidence in yourself, and submitting yourself to authority is actually healthy and normalit makes me laugh so much when people talk about how Jessica's need to please people ****** them off. It's actually admirable for a person to be a people pleaser. They clearly haven't dealt with someone who has the quality of which is the opposite because if they did they wouldn't be admiring it
There's a thick *** line between being a spineless people pleaser (where I place Jessica) and an uncompromising ****, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I find both extremes annoying and draining to be around.
richjoe92 wrote:Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
yes. Not having complete confidence in yourself, and submitting yourself to authority is actually healthy and normalit makes me laugh so much when people talk about how Jessica's need to please people ****** them off. It's actually admirable for a person to be a people pleaser. They clearly haven't dealt with someone who has the quality of which is the opposite because if they did they wouldn't be admiring it
There's a thick *** line between being a spineless people pleaser (where I place Jessica) and an uncompromising ****, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I find both extremes annoying and draining to be around.
richjoe92 wrote:Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
Absolutely, I think a lot of times naivety and low self esteem are associated with having a "nice", wholesome personality. I think that what a lot of people are saying that they either dont buy Jess being so wholesome or that those pros are outweighed by how annoying they think she is (I'm in the latter camp).
i don't think naivety is required for being wholesomeness but it's definitely an assistance. If you are cultured, and have been through a lot or have seen how people live in third world countries then you're going to have a more cynical and corrupted perspective on life compared to someone like Jessica who is naive and doesn't know what's going on outside of her first world bubble. High intelligence is actually positively correlated with depression and psychological issues and I think it's because smart people are more aware of their surroundings and are able to see the the "truth" in reality. Dumber or more naive people generally have happier and more wholesome lives and a more positive and healthy mindseti don't consider Jessica's low self esteem to be a defect of any sort. Most girls her age are very insecure...this is very normal
I agree, I said it was associated with wholesomeness. Nor am I debating correlation between intelligence and happiness. I absolutely do consider low self esteem a defect though.
richjoe92 wrote:Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
yes. Not having complete confidence in yourself, and submitting yourself to authority is actually healthy and normalit makes me laugh so much when people talk about how Jessica's need to please people ****** them off. It's actually admirable for a person to be a people pleaser. They clearly haven't dealt with someone who has the quality of which is the opposite because if they did they wouldn't be admiring it
There's a thick *** line between being a spineless people pleaser (where I place Jessica) and an uncompromising ****, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I find both extremes annoying and draining to be around.
How is Jess a people pleaser?
Because of her eagerness to get along with people who disrespect her. With Reilly for example: He's always been a **** towards her but she still made it her goal on the challenge to win his acceptance. Lowkey tangent- I was specifically going to off myself in the scene where they were choosing the order after winning the elimination and she kept trying to touch his shoulders chummily and bond with him, holy shit. She was the same with the rest of the castmates on her season.
After ranting this much about the girl I'm sure it looks like I have extreme hatred for her. I dont, I just find her very annoying.
Sarah cried watching the daily challenge on this ep on their live thing she do and then Susie cried too and then I felt bad.
Wes is such a punk for those coments, like tf dude you look weak as hell, why are you calling other ppl. what's up bro can't pay for steroids anymore? #******* #everydudewillbeatyou #malesimone
I watched the piece of the Susie/Sarah livestream where they had the winners dinner just to see how she reacted to the conversation with Johnny. I thought she'd be like "Yeah...we actually fixed things, we're ok, we've been playing it up, etc.". Nope. Then Sarah and Susie were like "I can't believe Johnny is such a baby and said he doesn't want to come on the show because we'll just bash him. We never bash him! We'd be so nice to him! He's not even here right now and we aren't bashing him!". All they do is bash him. They talk about him and his girlfriend, his sex life, they went point by point of why he has personality disorders. Why would he ever want to come on their show?
Someone should tweet Nany that Sarah said she thinks her and Bananas hook up! Let's spice it up!
I watched the entire thing and they were so dramatic about Wes' comment that I was just laughing the entire time. I'm sorry but it was expected for someone to make a cheesy "body shaming" joke at some point during the naked run. Susie HATES Wes now.
What I find funny, and my opinions about Wes are virtually the same about Susie's, was when Wes made that comment about Sarah they paused the video and had a cry session about it and how wrong it was to make fun of people's bodies...then, the second Wes takes his shirt off Susie goes "Ugh...Wes is GROSS". She said oh I shouldn't body shame afterwards, but be one way or the other. If you talk shit, be prepared to have shit talked on you. If you have some moral guideline that you're applying in one situation, apply it in all of them.
This podcast bums me out. I was a fan of Susie and Sarah when I started listening to it. I still like them, but less and less so every time.
What I find funny, and my opinions about Wes are virtually the same about Susie's, was when Wes made that comment about Sarah they paused the video and had a cry session about it and how wrong it was to make fun of people's bodies...then, the second Wes takes his shirt off Susie goes "Ugh...Wes is GROSS". She said oh I shouldn't body shame afterwards, but be one way or the other. If you talk shit, be prepared to have shit talked on you. If you have some moral guideline that you're applying in one situation, apply it in all of them. This podcast bums me out. I was a fan of Susie and Sarah when I started listening to it. I still like them, but less and less so every time.
COuldn't agree with you more. Sarah tries to play this feminist who doesn't give in to societys objectifying of women and believes women should be judged for more then looks, but then she talks in the podcast about wanting to get fake ***** just bc her husband supposedly likes pictures on instagram of girls with big *****, and then admits she bought a kardashian waist trainer even though there are health risks associated with them. She tries to act so confident and like she's her own person but she is so desperate for attention and praise that she gives in to johnny the minute he shows her any kind of positive attention even though she has run his name through the mud. and to turn on wes so quickly when he was the only one being nice to her at the beginning is just sad. for someone who is trying to diagnose patients with their issues, she sure has a lot of her own issues. and susie is jsut unbearable in general lolz
Not to mention, why is she even back on the challenge? she ran her mouth about how much better she is than these people and how much smarter than them she is because she is in school and how much better her life is and how much shes moved on, but she had to come back bc she needs the praise from people so desperately. she is the definition of insecure and unsatisfied with herself
Why isnt it available on youtube rn?!? I think it's fair to say ew right back at Wes after he insulted Sarah and I doubt Suzie would have said that if he hadnt. I'm all about an eye for an eye.
After a long absence Bill Simmons put up a challenge podcast on his new website with Juliet Litman (no more Jacoby thank God). My main takeaway from it is that I have yet to hear a challenge podcast that likes Jessica. NoQuitters hates her. Bill asked Juliet which girl would be worst case scenario for his daughter to turn out like and after eliminating the unrealistic options (Ashley) she said Jessica.
Yeah he did. Those were awesome.
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that is very harsh. did they say why? compared to the vast majority of the girls on the show jessica is quite normal and wholesome. she is not an embarrassing person to be related to. other non embarrassing daughters would be sarah, susie, tori, jill, theresa. on the other hand if my daugher turned out like kailah, amanda, jenna, laurel, paula i would change my last name, not have anymore kids(due to risk of having another disaster), or leave them out of the inheritance. they would be the unfortunate topic of discussion that gets your heart beating , sweat glands stimulating profusely, and head hanging down in shame when your friends ask u how ur kids are doing at lunch time. jessica is not that by any means. she is a good girl....ipeople are and always have been way too harsh on her
I don't think they were choosing based on who's the most wholesome or least embarrassing lol. And fyi Jessica is embarrassing. She has no self-awareness, pretends to be innocent but rolls around with dudes like Tony (two baby mommas) and Dustin (sexually assaulted someone thinking he can get away with it because he's ~famoose) and has the mental/emotional capacity of someone ten years her junior. Granted, most of this stuff probably isn't anything she can help, but I wouldn't place her in the same category as confident, self-assured women like Sarah, Susie, Tori, Jill and Theresa.
How is Sarah in this legion of self-assured, confident daughters? I actually like her and think she's come a long way since letting Kenny & co. shit on her in the Ruins (pretty sure that was the challenge?) but she is still trying to ********* Bananas on the low. For the past two challenges she's said things along the lines of "that was all you", "great partner, thank you", etc. despite claiming that she doesnt care about him and that he's an evil psychopath. She also still speaks about him for a good portion of every single Brain Candy podcast. I think she's generally a smart girl but she cares way too much about the approval of someone who doesnt respect her to be on that list.
Is it possible to be wholesome and still not have complete confidence in oneself? Jessica doesn't seem all too bad. I agree with V1man.
Absolutely, I think a lot of times naivety and low self esteem are associated with having a "nice", wholesome personality. I think that what a lot of people are saying that they either dont buy Jess being so wholesome or that those pros are outweighed by how annoying they think she is (I'm in the latter camp).
i just watched sarah's facebook live for mtv...she is definitely more likable when she is not interacting with susie (eventhough I love their friendship)...i feel like she tries to hard to make it seem like she doesnt care what others think when she does...and I think even susie knows that.
Yet again, either Coral or Ace dropped out from the live show this week. They may as well close down that whole operation lmao they haven't done one since the first episode. Coral probably doesn't feel like dealing with Ace's corny ***; she just needs her own livestream/podcast where she invites other old-school guests (or newer people that she's talked to). She should try getting with LaToya; does she still do a podcast?
My only exposure to Sarah is through brain candy and challenges/aftershows so this is fair
yes. Not having complete confidence in yourself, and submitting yourself to authority is actually healthy and normal
it makes me laugh so much when people talk about how Jessica's need to please people ****** them off. It's actually admirable for a person to be a people pleaser. They clearly haven't dealt with someone who has the quality of which is the opposite because if they did they wouldn't be admiring it
i don't think naivety is required for being wholesomeness but it's definitely an assistance. If you are cultured, and have been through a lot or have seen how people live in third world countries then you're going to have a more cynical and corrupted perspective on life compared to someone like Jessica who is naive and doesn't know what's going on outside of her first world bubble. High intelligence is actually positively correlated with depression and psychological issues and I think it's because smart people are more aware of their surroundings and are able to see the the "truth" in reality. Dumber or more naive people generally have happier and more wholesome lives and a more positive and healthy mindset
i don't consider Jessica's low self esteem to be a defect of any sort. Most girls her age are very insecure...this is very normal
I believe one of the reasons Jessica didn't get along with her cast was due to how wholesome she was
Ana - emotionally unstable and was dating a crack head wasn't she?
Averey - getting into fist fights with your mom is so wrong . Lack of parental support which is the most important and critical piece to a child's healthy development
johnny - no self esteem, withdrawn, recoiled and inwardly bitter
marlon - obvious confliction with his bisexuality
jordan - no hand. dad that showed him no emotional and soul nurturing support. Too much "tough love." Also possibly dealing with repressed homosexuality
Compared to all of them Jessica really did have her shit together
boy we got ourselves a regular sigmund freud over here
"No hand."
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There's a thick *** line between being a spineless people pleaser (where I place Jessica) and an uncompromising ****, it doesnt have to be one or the other. I find both extremes annoying and draining to be around.
How is Jess a people pleaser?
I agree, I said it was associated with wholesomeness. Nor am I debating correlation between intelligence and happiness. I absolutely do consider low self esteem a defect though.
Because of her eagerness to get along with people who disrespect her. With Reilly for example: He's always been a **** towards her but she still made it her goal on the challenge to win his acceptance. Lowkey tangent- I was specifically going to off myself in the scene where they were choosing the order after winning the elimination and she kept trying to touch his shoulders chummily and bond with him, holy shit. She was the same with the rest of the castmates on her season.
After ranting this much about the girl I'm sure it looks like I have extreme hatred for her. I dont, I just find her very annoying.
Sarah cried watching the daily challenge on this ep on their live thing she do and then Susie cried too and then I felt bad.
Wes is such a punk for those coments, like tf dude you look weak as hell, why are you calling other ppl. what's up bro can't pay for steroids anymore? #******* #everydudewillbeatyou #malesimone
But isn't Wes her BFF? Lmaooooooo
LOL SHE CRIED OVER WES JOKING ABOUT THEIR BODIES LOOKING UGLY? IS SHE DAMN SERIOUS?
I watched the piece of the Susie/Sarah livestream where they had the winners dinner just to see how she reacted to the conversation with Johnny. I thought she'd be like "Yeah...we actually fixed things, we're ok, we've been playing it up, etc.". Nope. Then Sarah and Susie were like "I can't believe Johnny is such a baby and said he doesn't want to come on the show because we'll just bash him. We never bash him! We'd be so nice to him! He's not even here right now and we aren't bashing him!". All they do is bash him. They talk about him and his girlfriend, his sex life, they went point by point of why he has personality disorders. Why would he ever want to come on their show?
Someone should tweet Nany that Sarah said she thinks her and Bananas hook up! Let's spice it up!
I watched the entire thing and they were so dramatic about Wes' comment that I was just laughing the entire time. I'm sorry but it was expected for someone to make a cheesy "body shaming" joke at some point during the naked run. Susie HATES Wes now.
What I find funny, and my opinions about Wes are virtually the same about Susie's, was when Wes made that comment about Sarah they paused the video and had a cry session about it and how wrong it was to make fun of people's bodies...then, the second Wes takes his shirt off Susie goes "Ugh...Wes is GROSS". She said oh I shouldn't body shame afterwards, but be one way or the other. If you talk shit, be prepared to have shit talked on you. If you have some moral guideline that you're applying in one situation, apply it in all of them.
This podcast bums me out. I was a fan of Susie and Sarah when I started listening to it. I still like them, but less and less so every time.
I love when they talk about Bananas having a personality disorder loooool
COuldn't agree with you more. Sarah tries to play this feminist who doesn't give in to societys objectifying of women and believes women should be judged for more then looks, but then she talks in the podcast about wanting to get fake ***** just bc her husband supposedly likes pictures on instagram of girls with big *****, and then admits she bought a kardashian waist trainer even though there are health risks associated with them. She tries to act so confident and like she's her own person but she is so desperate for attention and praise that she gives in to johnny the minute he shows her any kind of positive attention even though she has run his name through the mud. and to turn on wes so quickly when he was the only one being nice to her at the beginning is just sad. for someone who is trying to diagnose patients with their issues, she sure has a lot of her own issues. and susie is jsut unbearable in general lolz
Not to mention, why is she even back on the challenge? she ran her mouth about how much better she is than these people and how much smarter than them she is because she is in school and how much better her life is and how much shes moved on, but she had to come back bc she needs the praise from people so desperately. she is the definition of insecure and unsatisfied with herself
Why isnt it available on youtube rn?!? I think it's fair to say ew right back at Wes after he insulted Sarah and I doubt Suzie would have said that if he hadnt. I'm all about an eye for an eye.
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