Jefra and Trish both received lackluster edits, it's no surprise they weren't high priorities to invite back. It doesn't mean they weren't good players at all. I mean they invited Woo back, who isn't anywhere close to a good player so there's not really a good argument there. Tasha was kind of irrelevant to when you look at her edit postmerge. She got little actual screentime outside of challenge dominance and even this season she's taking a backseat again. She's remembered as an underdog, but not a patiticuarly strong character or player imo. Tony is easily the strongest character and player of the season with Trish right behind him. I'm curious how would you rank the Cagayan cast as players then?
True but they obviously didn't do anything important enough that would effect the storyline of the show causing it to be important enough for them to show.
I agree about Woo. He wasn't a good player at all and I was pissed he was invited there. But it's a second chance season and he's the one person from that season who made a million dollar mistake. So obviously he was going to be invited back even if he didn't actually receive the votes. You can't argue with me on that one haha.
I also kinda agree about Tasha. Her advancing throughout the game mostly relied on Spencer (besides her winning a bunch of challenges). She definitely had the underdog story though which workedout for her. As for this season she's definitely in my top 4 of who's left. Spencer, Jeremy, Kelley and Tasha (in that order). Joe has no chance and is only good for challenges. Kimmi, Keith and Abi have no shot (as of right now) as well.
Cagayan was my favorite season and I loved most of the cast on that season. Tony is definitely first without question. He was extremely paranoid and made crazy/rash decisions but it was smart, worked for him, and was fun to wash. Trish I would put in the top 5 but definitely not second.
Tony, Spencer, LJ, Trish, Tasha, Kass, Woo, Jeremiah, Sarah, Jefra, Morgan, Alexis, Brice, Garret, Cliff, Lindsay, David, Jtia, (Woo maybe could be higher but I mostly remember him just being good at challenges, and not having much of a game besides doing whatever Tony wanted.) There's a lot of interchangeable people in that order. I cold easily switch LJ, Trish and Tasha around. Maybe even move up Kass etc. I would have to re-watch the season to get a more accurate order, but I would definitely have Tony and Spencer as first and second and then LJ, Trish and Tasha as the other 3 in the top 5.
I'm not a fan of Jeremy personally but he has a lot of pull in the game, is good at challenges, had two idols, used one to save someone else and saved a blindside but caused another one, and had a good alliance (not so much anymore). I'm sure as hell gonna be a fan of his over Kimmi, Keith and Abi's games.
As for him personally, when he keeps finding the idols I get annoyed.
Jefra and Trish both received lackluster edits, it's no surprise they weren't high priorities to invite back. It doesn't mean they weren't good players at all. I mean they invited Woo back, who isn't anywhere close to a good player so there's not really a good argument there. Tasha was kind of irrelevant to when you look at her edit postmerge. She got little actual screentime outside of challenge dominance and even this season she's taking a backseat again. She's remembered as an underdog, but not a patiticuarly strong character or player imo. Tony is easily the strongest character and player of the season with Trish right behind him. I'm curious how would you rank the Cagayan cast as players then?
True but they obviously didn't do anything important enough that would effect the storyline of the show causing it to be important enough for them to show.
I agree about Woo. He wasn't a good player at all and I was pissed he was invited there. But it's a second chance season and he's the one person from that season who made a million dollar mistake. So obviously he was going to be invited back even if he didn't actually receive the votes. You can't argue with me on that one haha.
I also kinda agree about Tasha. Her advancing throughout the game mostly relied on Spencer (besides her winning a bunch of challenges). She definitely had the underdog story though which workedout for her. As for this season she's definitely in my top 4 of who's left. Spencer, Jeremy, Kelley and Tasha (in that order). Joe has no chance and is only good for challenges. Kimmi, Keith and Abi have no shot (as of right now) as well.
Cagayan was my favorite season and I loved most of the cast on that season. Tony is definitely first without question. He was extremely paranoid and made crazy/rash decisions but it was smart, worked for him, and was fun to wash. Trish I would put in the top 5 but definitely not second.
Tony, Spencer, LJ, Trish, Tasha, Kass, Woo, Jeremiah, Sarah, Jefra, Morgan, Alexis, Brice, Garret, Cliff, Lindsay, David, Jtia, (Woo maybe could be higher but I mostly remember him just being good at challenges, and not having much of a game besides doing whatever Tony wanted.) There's a lot of interchangeable people in that order. I cold easily switch LJ, Trish and Tasha around. Maybe even move up Kass etc. I would have to re-watch the season to get a more accurate order, but I would definitely have Tony and Spencer as first and second and then LJ, Trish and Tasha as the other 3 in the top 5.
They definitely pulled off some impressive stuff, it just didn't fit the narrative the season wanted to sell or show. This will happen a lot and I would say Trish did have those two moves of booting Cliff and swinging Kass to their side the latter being the biggest move of the game.
Tasha didn't really rely on Spencer though, they were both pretty much kept around because Tony wanted them to and if Spencer didn't win immunity at 6, he goes instead of her. There was nothing he did particularly better than him besides have a slightly better social game.
Hmmm yeah I think Spencer is maybe #5 for me just because I need someone to put there, but a significant gap in 4 and 5 as Tony, Trish, LJ, and Jefra were the only ones I'd label as good players from Cagayan with everyone else have critical flaws.
Jefra and Trish both received lackluster edits, it's no surprise they weren't high priorities to invite back. It doesn't mean they weren't good players at all. I mean they invited Woo back, who isn't anywhere close to a good player so there's not really a good argument there. Tasha was kind of irrelevant to when you look at her edit postmerge. She got little actual screentime outside of challenge dominance and even this season she's taking a backseat again. She's remembered as an underdog, but not a patiticuarly strong character or player imo. Tony is easily the strongest character and player of the season with Trish right behind him. I'm curious how would you rank the Cagayan cast as players then?
True but they obviously didn't do anything important enough that would effect the storyline of the show causing it to be important enough for them to show.
I agree about Woo. He wasn't a good player at all and I was pissed he was invited there. But it's a second chance season and he's the one person from that season who made a million dollar mistake. So obviously he was going to be invited back even if he didn't actually receive the votes. You can't argue with me on that one haha.
I also kinda agree about Tasha. Her advancing throughout the game mostly relied on Spencer (besides her winning a bunch of challenges). She definitely had the underdog story though which workedout for her. As for this season she's definitely in my top 4 of who's left. Spencer, Jeremy, Kelley and Tasha (in that order). Joe has no chance and is only good for challenges. Kimmi, Keith and Abi have no shot (as of right now) as well.
Cagayan was my favorite season and I loved most of the cast on that season. Tony is definitely first without question. He was extremely paranoid and made crazy/rash decisions but it was smart, worked for him, and was fun to wash. Trish I would put in the top 5 but definitely not second.
Tony, Spencer, LJ, Trish, Tasha, Kass, Woo, Jeremiah, Sarah, Jefra, Morgan, Alexis, Brice, Garret, Cliff, Lindsay, David, Jtia, (Woo maybe could be higher but I mostly remember him just being good at challenges, and not having much of a game besides doing whatever Tony wanted.) There's a lot of interchangeable people in that order. I cold easily switch LJ, Trish and Tasha around. Maybe even move up Kass etc. I would have to re-watch the season to get a more accurate order, but I would definitely have Tony and Spencer as first and second and then LJ, Trish and Tasha as the other 3 in the top 5.
They definitely pulled off some impressive stuff, it just didn't fit the narrative the season wanted to sell or show. This will happen a lot and I would say Trish did have those two moves of booting Cliff and swinging Kass to their side the latter being the biggest move of the game. Tasha didn't really rely on Spencer though, they were both pretty much kept around because Tony wanted them to and if Spencer didn't win immunity at 6, he goes instead of her. There was nothing he did particularly better than him besides have a slightly better social game. Hmmm yeah I think Spencer is maybe #5 for me just because I need someone to put there, but a significant gap in 4 and 5 as Tony, Trish, LJ, and Jefra were the only ones I'd label as good players from Cagayan with everyone else have critical flaws.
Sorry I can't put Jefra in my top 5 when she was completely irrelevant on the season and I'm not basing MY opinion based on what other people from her season say lmao. If i didn't get to see her have a good game based on things that weren't shown on the season, then I can't say she had a good game. It just doesn't make sense to me to say "Oh Tony said she had a great game so she's in my top 5". I have to base my opinions off of the things I see for myself.
Tasha didn't necessarily rely on Spencer but Spencer is the one who worked with Tony on both of the flips and keyed Tasha in on what was happening. Tasha didn't really work on that herself. She helped by making it seem like there was a girls aliance so her and Spencer can manipulate Tony and is paranoia even more. Which worked. "If Spencer didn't win immunity at 6 he goes instead of her" ok? what does that mean? If Mike didn't win the last several immunity challenges last season he would have went too. That doesn't take away from his game. Winning challenges is part of the game lol. If Tony didn't have his idol, special powers, and wins he could have gone too lmao
To be honest Mike's game on WA was pretty bad. He went from being on a good position (wouldn't say great since he would probably ended up targetted by his alliance at some point) to being the number #1 target for the majority of the merge, and he had no one to blame but himself. Yeah, he did made some moves at the end that probably helped him win at the end, but that's only because he was safe and had nothing to lose. As long as he lost another immunity he was toast.
I'm not basing it off just Tony, but what they've said as a whole on how Jefra played. The edit constantly ignores people who don't fit the narrative but are good players (Natalie White, Jenn Lyon, Artis, the list goes on and on). To just buy what the edit sells isn't something I'll ever do honestly.
Yeah but that's more points for Tony, I mean it's not like they had an awful relationship between Tasha and Tony and I'm sure he would clue her in and talk to her about it. That latter part never happenef, Tony always planned to turn on Jefra because he knew she didn't trust him and only trusted Trish/Kass after the LJ vote.
That's not taking away from Spencer lol, just making note that he could have literally gone when Tasha did. Neither was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around. Mike is a pretty bad winner though, he deserved his win but would have been long gone if not for immunities and an idol. A better player is able to not need these things to make ftc. Nah, Tony was well covered by flipping but also having his alliance stuck in that if they flipped there were still Jeremiah/Spencer/Tasha left who were beats in the challenges and have a good shot in ftc. Tony never even had to use those idols and his game is still very similar without it.
To be honest Mike's game on WA was pretty bad. He went from being on a good position (wouldn't say great since he would probably ended up targetted by his alliance at some point) to being the number #1 target for the majority of the merge, and he had no one to blame but himself. Yeah, he did made some moves at the end that probably helped him win at the end, but that's only because he was safe and had nothing to lose. As long as he lost another immunity he was toast.
Agreed, he still deserved his win and isn't a bad player, but definitely one of the worst winners. He was a target from final 9 and it was all his own fault and survived purely off of challenges.
To be honest Mike's game on WA was pretty bad. He went from being on a good position (wouldn't say great since he would probably ended up targetted by his alliance at some point) to being the number #1 target for the majority of the merge, and he had no one to blame but himself. Yeah, he did made some moves at the end that probably helped him win at the end, but that's only because he was safe and had nothing to lose. As long as he lost another immunity he was toast.
Agreed, he still deserved his win and isn't a bad player, but definitely one of the worst winners. He was a target from final 9 and it was all his own fault and survived purely off of challenges.
I personally would have preferred seeing Carolyn win, or at least not tie with dead fish Will.
Y'all havin huge fights about Jefra meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out who she was.... Was she the blonde or black haired girl? Morgan the only one that matters out of the beauties in my opinion...
Y'all havin huge fights about Jefra meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out who she was.... Was she the blonde or black haired girl? Morgan the only one that matters out of the beauties in my opinion...
To be honest Mike's game on WA was pretty bad. He went from being on a good position (wouldn't say great since he would probably ended up targetted by his alliance at some point) to being the number #1 target for the majority of the merge, and he had no one to blame but himself. Yeah, he did made some moves at the end that probably helped him win at the end, but that's only because he was safe and had nothing to lose. As long as he lost another immunity he was toast.
Agreed, he still deserved his win and isn't a bad player, but definitely one of the worst winners. He was a target from final 9 and it was all his own fault and survived purely off of challenges.
I personally would have preferred seeing Carolyn win, or at least not tie with dead fish Will.
The season as a whole sucked. Out of everyone Mike deserved the win the most by far. He was a target (which he made himself), won out, and made moves. Mama C would be a close second, but no one else even comes close. Will? Dan? Rodney? Siera? Shirin? Nah
Kinda like this kid in Cagayan, but now he is awful.
Agreed. There's really not anyone I'm rooting for this season now that K***, Kelly, and Ciera are gone. I like Abi, but she ain't winning. Same with Joe, his *** is gone soon unfortunately. I hate Jeremy. To the point that he makes Wentworth tolerable. Spencer and Tasha are awful this season. Keith and Kimmi. Who?
I think this is a great season and Spencer, Jeremy, Wentworth and Tasah are all a part of it.
I think this is a great season and Spencer, Jeremy, Wentworth and Tasah are all a part of it.
By no means is it a bad season at all. I'm really enjoying it. I just don't particularly want anyone that's left to win.
True true, I gotcha. I'm the opposite. Spencer is one of my favorites ever, and I think him, Jeremy, Wentworth and Tasha are all likeable and playing good enogh games to win. I also like Joe and wouldn't mind if he made it somehow.
I'm not basing it off just Tony, but what they've said as a whole on how Jefra played. The edit constantly ignores people who don't fit the narrative but are good players (Natalie White, Jenn Lyon, Artis, the list goes on and on). To just buy what the edit sells isn't something I'll ever do honestly. Yeah but that's more points for Tony, I mean it's not like they had an awful relationship between Tasha and Tony and I'm sure he would clue her in and talk to her about it. That latter part never happenef, Tony always planned to turn on Jefra because he knew she didn't trust him and only trusted Trish/Kass after the LJ vote. That's not taking away from Spencer lol, just making note that he could have literally gone when Tasha did. Neither was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around. Mike is a pretty bad winner though, he deserved his win but would have been long gone if not for immunities and an idol. A better player is able to not need these things to make ftc. Nah, Tony was well covered by flipping but also having his alliance stuck in that if they flipped there were still Jeremiah/Spencer/Tasha left who were beats in the challenges and have a good shot in ftc. Tony never even had to use those idols and his game is still very similar without it.
I know you aren't just basing it off of Tony but that example is pretty much what you are basing it off. You do know the players are also biased and don't see everything that happens right? If they aren't around another player they don't know what they are doing/what game they are playing.
Also, I don't just buy what the edit sells but if someone did enough to win or were to make game changing moves/decisions it wouldn't be left on the cutting room floor. I know for a fact everyone has games that aren't shown, that's just obvious. But I can't root for someone based on moves that aren't shown, that just doesn't make any sense. That's like saying Jermiah found an idol and tried to blindside Tony but it wasn't shown so he should be in the top 5 players of the season. Doesn't work that way.
Spencer/Tasha played off of Tony's paranoia and used it to their advantage. You can't just say everything was Tony's idea. Because if Spencer and Tasha weren't there to put it in his head and do it, it wouldn't have happened. And yes again, Spencer may have gone instead but he didn't because he won immunity which is part of the game. A lot of good players would have gone home earlier if they didn't have immunity or idols. Mike was definitely a bad winner, but was the best of the season with Mama C as a close second. The whole season sucked. But again, idols and immunity ARE part of the game lol.
"No one was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around" You do realize this is a game where you get rid of the threats and people who are playing good games/have a chance to win right? People don't usualy keep the best players around as it doesn't benefit them...
I'm not basing it off just Tony, but what they've said as a whole on how Jefra played. The edit constantly ignores people who don't fit the narrative but are good players (Natalie White, Jenn Lyon, Artis, the list goes on and on). To just buy what the edit sells isn't something I'll ever do honestly. Yeah but that's more points for Tony, I mean it's not like they had an awful relationship between Tasha and Tony and I'm sure he would clue her in and talk to her about it. That latter part never happenef, Tony always planned to turn on Jefra because he knew she didn't trust him and only trusted Trish/Kass after the LJ vote. That's not taking away from Spencer lol, just making note that he could have literally gone when Tasha did. Neither was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around. Mike is a pretty bad winner though, he deserved his win but would have been long gone if not for immunities and an idol. A better player is able to not need these things to make ftc. Nah, Tony was well covered by flipping but also having his alliance stuck in that if they flipped there were still Jeremiah/Spencer/Tasha left who were beats in the challenges and have a good shot in ftc. Tony never even had to use those idols and his game is still very similar without it.
I know you aren't just basing it off of Tony but that example is pretty much what you are basing it off. You do know the players are also biased and don't see everything that happens right? If they aren't around another player they don't know what they are doing/what game they are playing.
Also, I don't just buy what the edit sells but if someone did enough to win or were to make game changing moves/decisions it wouldn't be left on the cutting room floor. I know for a fact everyone has games that aren't shown, that's just obvious. But I can't root for someone based on moves that aren't shown, that just doesn't make any sense. That's like saying Jermiah found an idol and tried to blindside Tony but it wasn't shown so he should be in the top 5 players of the season. Doesn't work that way.
Spencer/Tasha played off of Tony's paranoia and used it to their advantage. You can't just say everything was Tony's idea. Because if Spencer and Tasha weren't there to put it in his head and do it, it wouldn't have happened. And yes again, Spencer may have gone instead but he didn't because he won immunity which is part of the game. A lot of good players would have gone home earlier if they didn't have immunity or idols. Mike was definitely a bad winner, but was the best of the season with Mama C as a close second. The whole season sucked. But again, idols and immunity ARE part of the game lol.
"No one was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around" You do realize this is a game where you get rid of the threats and people who are playing good games/have a chance to win right? People don't usualy keep the best players around as it doesn't benefit them...
Yeah which is why you get a grasp on what the cast as a whole thinks. I would definitely trust their opinions as a whole over an edited 42 minute tv show that can often be deceiving for the sake of a specific narrative they want to spin.
They didn't, Tony has had no problem calling himself out in interviews about things like his moves coming back to bite him potentially and who was playing strong games, etc and has no reason to lie since he and Spencer are good friends, but has said he planned to turn on Jefra regardless which is easy to believe for reasons already stated. To say if not for those two, Jefra doesn't go is wrong though even if we're beliving it to be true. We have no idea how things go. By all accounts, Rodney actually played a very good game behind the scenes and was running his alliance and even was extremely well liked and had a shot at ftc and fell short at the last tc. There were a few decent players top in Sierra, Carolyn, and then Mike. I have no problem with a player needing immunity for a vote or so, but when you need it like Mike did for like 5-6 votes then yeah it shows a serious flaw in your game. I'm not bashing Spencer for it since he didn't always need immunity like Mike, just noting he and Tasha were interchangeable with who won immunity.
Pretty obviously but a better player is able to make themselves not seem like a threat despite being one. An example is Natalie A who was great, but never made herself come off that way to the others and hid it very well. A better player doesn't need immunity or an idol multiple votes, because they're doing so well socially and alliance wise that it's not needed. I definitely am willing to give people slack when it's just like one challenge or something or they're in a position through no fault of their own, but when you come off as a threat and people want you out so early yeah....you're doing something wrong.
This season was so good for the first 4 episodes and the last 2 as well, but it got too game centric for me recently. Some of the storytelling has been awful though like us getting nothing from Abi as she finally votes Woo out concluding that story or the entire edit of Wigglesworth and how suddenly in her boot episode she's a social threat and close with Joe and surprise....gets booted. Kimmi and Keith have been given such shit edits and some edits have been ridiculous and forced to me. Still not a bad season, but can't see it being top 10.
This season was so good for the first 4 episodes and the last 2 as well, but it got too game centric for me recently. Some of the storytelling has been awful though like us getting nothing from Abi as she finally votes Woo out concluding that story or the entire edit of Wigglesworth and how suddenly in her boot episode she's a social threat and close with Joe and surprise....gets booted. Kimmi and Keith have been given such shit edits and some edits have been ridiculous and forced to me. Still not a bad season, but can't see it being top 10.
I hate that "voting bloc" story line that was imposed on Stephen (or he imposed on himself). It was so stupid since people jump alliances all the time, nothing new. And he was part of a tight alliance anyways.
In a season specifically about redemption, characters deserved to be more indepth. I watched an interview with Wiggles where she said she really didn't want the whole edit anyways. Jeff pushed to make Wiggles the golden child, since this season theme basically derrived from her. The first runner-up, the one who lost by one point. And I also don't like Joe's edit. The whole he's a threat, when he's really not a threat. Idk, excuse my rant.
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True but they obviously didn't do anything important enough that would effect the storyline of the show causing it to be important enough for them to show.
I agree about Woo. He wasn't a good player at all and I was pissed he was invited there. But it's a second chance season and he's the one person from that season who made a million dollar mistake. So obviously he was going to be invited back even if he didn't actually receive the votes. You can't argue with me on that one haha.
I also kinda agree about Tasha. Her advancing throughout the game mostly relied on Spencer (besides her winning a bunch of challenges). She definitely had the underdog story though which workedout for her. As for this season she's definitely in my top 4 of who's left. Spencer, Jeremy, Kelley and Tasha (in that order). Joe has no chance and is only good for challenges. Kimmi, Keith and Abi have no shot (as of right now) as well.
Cagayan was my favorite season and I loved most of the cast on that season. Tony is definitely first without question. He was extremely paranoid and made crazy/rash decisions but it was smart, worked for him, and was fun to wash. Trish I would put in the top 5 but definitely not second.
Tony, Spencer, LJ, Trish, Tasha, Kass, Woo, Jeremiah, Sarah, Jefra, Morgan, Alexis, Brice, Garret, Cliff, Lindsay, David, Jtia, (Woo maybe could be higher but I mostly remember him just being good at challenges, and not having much of a game besides doing whatever Tony wanted.) There's a lot of interchangeable people in that order. I cold easily switch LJ, Trish and Tasha around. Maybe even move up Kass etc. I would have to re-watch the season to get a more accurate order, but I would definitely have Tony and Spencer as first and second and then LJ, Trish and Tasha as the other 3 in the top 5.
Vomit at Jeremy having fans.
I'm not a fan of Jeremy personally but he has a lot of pull in the game, is good at challenges, had two idols, used one to save someone else and saved a blindside but caused another one, and had a good alliance (not so much anymore). I'm sure as hell gonna be a fan of his over Kimmi, Keith and Abi's games.
As for him personally, when he keeps finding the idols I get annoyed.
Is it true that they asked Morgan to be on the poll for second chances?
Yes, I believe so. However she got engaged around the same time and had other schedule conflicts.
Speaking of the Goddess herself, Morgan was the true star of Cagayan.
Vomit at Spencer having fans.
Kinda like this kid in Cagayan, but now he is awful.
J'tia and Cliff were asked too for second chances, but they already had too many Cagayans members.
They definitely pulled off some impressive stuff, it just didn't fit the narrative the season wanted to sell or show. This will happen a lot and I would say Trish did have those two moves of booting Cliff and swinging Kass to their side the latter being the biggest move of the game.
Tasha didn't really rely on Spencer though, they were both pretty much kept around because Tony wanted them to and if Spencer didn't win immunity at 6, he goes instead of her. There was nothing he did particularly better than him besides have a slightly better social game.
Hmmm yeah I think Spencer is maybe #5 for me just because I need someone to put there, but a significant gap in 4 and 5 as Tony, Trish, LJ, and Jefra were the only ones I'd label as good players from Cagayan with everyone else have critical flaws.
I'm in the minority that likes Jefra better than Morgan, I loved Morgan and her ***** but i wish she was a better player.
Sorry I can't put Jefra in my top 5 when she was completely irrelevant on the season and I'm not basing MY opinion based on what other people from her season say lmao. If i didn't get to see her have a good game based on things that weren't shown on the season, then I can't say she had a good game. It just doesn't make sense to me to say "Oh Tony said she had a great game so she's in my top 5". I have to base my opinions off of the things I see for myself.
Tasha didn't necessarily rely on Spencer but Spencer is the one who worked with Tony on both of the flips and keyed Tasha in on what was happening. Tasha didn't really work on that herself. She helped by making it seem like there was a girls aliance so her and Spencer can manipulate Tony and is paranoia even more. Which worked. "If Spencer didn't win immunity at 6 he goes instead of her" ok? what does that mean? If Mike didn't win the last several immunity challenges last season he would have went too. That doesn't take away from his game. Winning challenges is part of the game lol. If Tony didn't have his idol, special powers, and wins he could have gone too lmao
To be honest Mike's game on WA was pretty bad. He went from being on a good position (wouldn't say great since he would probably ended up targetted by his alliance at some point) to being the number #1 target for the majority of the merge, and he had no one to blame but himself. Yeah, he did made some moves at the end that probably helped him win at the end, but that's only because he was safe and had nothing to lose. As long as he lost another immunity he was toast.
I'm not basing it off just Tony, but what they've said as a whole on how Jefra played. The edit constantly ignores people who don't fit the narrative but are good players (Natalie White, Jenn Lyon, Artis, the list goes on and on). To just buy what the edit sells isn't something I'll ever do honestly.
Yeah but that's more points for Tony, I mean it's not like they had an awful relationship between Tasha and Tony and I'm sure he would clue her in and talk to her about it. That latter part never happenef, Tony always planned to turn on Jefra because he knew she didn't trust him and only trusted Trish/Kass after the LJ vote.
That's not taking away from Spencer lol, just making note that he could have literally gone when Tasha did. Neither was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around. Mike is a pretty bad winner though, he deserved his win but would have been long gone if not for immunities and an idol. A better player is able to not need these things to make ftc. Nah, Tony was well covered by flipping but also having his alliance stuck in that if they flipped there were still Jeremiah/Spencer/Tasha left who were beats in the challenges and have a good shot in ftc. Tony never even had to use those idols and his game is still very similar without it.
Agreed, he still deserved his win and isn't a bad player, but definitely one of the worst winners. He was a target from final 9 and it was all his own fault and survived purely off of challenges.
Agreed. There's really not anyone I'm rooting for this season now that K***, Kelly, and Ciera are gone.
I like Abi, but she ain't winning. Same with Joe, his *** is gone soon unfortunately.
I hate Jeremy. To the point that he makes Wentworth tolerable.
Spencer and Tasha are awful this season.
Keith and Kimmi. Who?
I personally would have preferred seeing Carolyn win, or at least not tie with dead fish Will.
I agree, but I don't think anything could have saved Worlds Apart from being absolute shit. Except maybe Lindsey making the merge.
Y'all havin huge fights about Jefra meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out who she was.... Was she the blonde or black haired girl? Morgan the only one that matters out of the beauties in my opinion...
LOL
I was thinking about this too.
The season as a whole sucked. Out of everyone Mike deserved the win the most by far. He was a target (which he made himself), won out, and made moves. Mama C would be a close second, but no one else even comes close. Will? Dan? Rodney? Siera? Shirin? Nah
I think this is a great season and Spencer, Jeremy, Wentworth and Tasah are all a part of it.
By no means is it a bad season at all. I'm really enjoying it. I just don't particularly want anyone that's left to win.
True true, I gotcha. I'm the opposite. Spencer is one of my favorites ever, and I think him, Jeremy, Wentworth and Tasha are all likeable and playing good enogh games to win. I also like Joe and wouldn't mind if he made it somehow.
I know you aren't just basing it off of Tony but that example is pretty much what you are basing it off. You do know the players are also biased and don't see everything that happens right? If they aren't around another player they don't know what they are doing/what game they are playing.
Also, I don't just buy what the edit sells but if someone did enough to win or were to make game changing moves/decisions it wouldn't be left on the cutting room floor. I know for a fact everyone has games that aren't shown, that's just obvious. But I can't root for someone based on moves that aren't shown, that just doesn't make any sense. That's like saying Jermiah found an idol and tried to blindside Tony but it wasn't shown so he should be in the top 5 players of the season. Doesn't work that way.
Spencer/Tasha played off of Tony's paranoia and used it to their advantage. You can't just say everything was Tony's idea. Because if Spencer and Tasha weren't there to put it in his head and do it, it wouldn't have happened. And yes again, Spencer may have gone instead but he didn't because he won immunity which is part of the game. A lot of good players would have gone home earlier if they didn't have immunity or idols. Mike was definitely a bad winner, but was the best of the season with Mama C as a close second. The whole season sucked. But again, idols and immunity ARE part of the game lol.
"No one was playing very better than the other as no one wanted them around" You do realize this is a game where you get rid of the threats and people who are playing good games/have a chance to win right? People don't usualy keep the best players around as it doesn't benefit them...
Yeah which is why you get a grasp on what the cast as a whole thinks. I would definitely trust their opinions as a whole over an edited 42 minute tv show that can often be deceiving for the sake of a specific narrative they want to spin.
They didn't, Tony has had no problem calling himself out in interviews about things like his moves coming back to bite him potentially and who was playing strong games, etc and has no reason to lie since he and Spencer are good friends, but has said he planned to turn on Jefra regardless which is easy to believe for reasons already stated. To say if not for those two, Jefra doesn't go is wrong though even if we're beliving it to be true. We have no idea how things go. By all accounts, Rodney actually played a very good game behind the scenes and was running his alliance and even was extremely well liked and had a shot at ftc and fell short at the last tc. There were a few decent players top in Sierra, Carolyn, and then Mike. I have no problem with a player needing immunity for a vote or so, but when you need it like Mike did for like 5-6 votes then yeah it shows a serious flaw in your game. I'm not bashing Spencer for it since he didn't always need immunity like Mike, just noting he and Tasha were interchangeable with who won immunity.
Pretty obviously but a better player is able to make themselves not seem like a threat despite being one. An example is Natalie A who was great, but never made herself come off that way to the others and hid it very well. A better player doesn't need immunity or an idol multiple votes, because they're doing so well socially and alliance wise that it's not needed. I definitely am willing to give people slack when it's just like one challenge or something or they're in a position through no fault of their own, but when you come off as a threat and people want you out so early yeah....you're doing something wrong.
With Yasmin being voted out that early I'm done with Somoa. Bye. And Betsy had so much potential.
This season was so good for the first 4 episodes and the last 2 as well, but it got too game centric for me recently. Some of the storytelling has been awful though like us getting nothing from Abi as she finally votes Woo out concluding that story or the entire edit of Wigglesworth and how suddenly in her boot episode she's a social threat and close with Joe and surprise....gets booted. Kimmi and Keith have been given such shit edits and some edits have been ridiculous and forced to me. Still not a bad season, but can't see it being top 10.
I hate that "voting bloc" story line that was imposed on Stephen (or he imposed on himself). It was so stupid since people jump alliances all the time, nothing new. And he was part of a tight alliance anyways.
In a season specifically about redemption, characters deserved to be more indepth. I watched an interview with Wiggles where she said she really didn't want the whole edit anyways. Jeff pushed to make Wiggles the golden child, since this season theme basically derrived from her. The first runner-up, the one who lost by one point. And I also don't like Joe's edit. The whole he's a threat, when he's really not a threat. Idk, excuse my rant.
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