Hey Oblivion, who do you think is best male from new generation ?
And who are top females ?
I know many may say Frank, but Zach has proven to be the best overall so far. As for the top females, Evelyn, Rachel R, Laurel, Holly S, Emilly B, Veronica, Ruthie, Jodi, Emily S and Holly P.
so lets say duel3, both frank and zach are in finale, you think zach wins?
I lost all my respect towards Zach in exes 2. How you explain him losing to Jordan?
You guys can't just base it mainly on finals, you have to look at overall mission performance. But to answer your question, I think Frank would pull out a win over Zach (unless Zach has his head screwed on straight). Frank just hasn't shown enough to be ranked over Zach as far as individual stats goes. And Zach lost to Jordan because he was outsmarted, Zach's main weakness is his lack of mental focus and smarts when approaching missions/elimination rounds. Evan is another strong competitor that had mental breakdowns in elimination rounds.
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
His awful personality has nothing to do him losing to Jordan in that hammer challenge, where he had clear advance.
That event was about strategy, not brute strength (which is what Zach resorted to using only). Zach would beat Jordan without a problem in a pure strength match, but Jordan mostly likely wins when it comes to strategy.
Hey Oblivion, who do you think is best male from new generation ?
And who are top females ?
I know many may say Frank, but Zach has proven to be the best overall so far. As for the top females, Evelyn, Rachel R, Laurel, Holly S, Emilly B, Veronica, Ruthie, Jodi, Emily S and Holly P.
so lets say duel3, both frank and zach are in finale, you think zach wins?
I lost all my respect towards Zach in exes 2. How you explain him losing to Jordan?
You guys can't just base it mainly on finals, you have to look at overall mission performance. But to answer your question, I think Frank would pull out a win over Zach (unless Zach has his head screwed on straight). Frank just hasn't shown enough to be ranked over Zach as far as individual stats goes. And Zach lost to Jordan because he was outsmarted, Zach's main weakness is his lack of mental focus and smarts when approaching missions/elimination rounds. Evan is another strong competitor that had mental breakdowns in elimination rounds.
Has not shown enough ? Yet you ranked high / said he is underrated that dude who only did one challenge....
Lot of people hate Frank here but they all say he is good. And Zach is just a big idiot.
What do you think of CJ, Cara Maria and Jordan?
Oh and rank Theresa, Cara Maria, Nia and Nany. (epic battle in every thead)
I may not agree with you but you clearly know your stuff
Exactly, its about overall performance. For example, Wes and Evan won the Duel seasons, but CT and Landon were still the best competitors on those seasons. There are so many factors that determine the outcome of a challenge victory, the best simply don't always win.
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
His awful personality has nothing to do him losing to Jordan in that hammer challenge, where he had clear advance.
That event was about strategy, not brute strength (which is what Zach resorted to using only). Zach would beat Jordan without a problem in a pure strength match, but Jordan mostly likely wins when it comes to strategy.
Obviously he would, who would not lose to Zach in a pure strenght match? But still I would pick Jordan over Zach anyday.
Hey Oblivion, who do you think is best male from new generation ?
And who are top females ?
I know many may say Frank, but Zach has proven to be the best overall so far. As for the top females, Evelyn, Rachel R, Laurel, Holly S, Emilly B, Veronica, Ruthie, Jodi, Emily S and Holly P.
so lets say duel3, both frank and zach are in finale, you think zach wins?
I lost all my respect towards Zach in exes 2. How you explain him losing to Jordan?
You guys can't just base it mainly on finals, you have to look at overall mission performance. But to answer your question, I think Frank would pull out a win over Zach (unless Zach has his head screwed on straight). Frank just hasn't shown enough to be ranked over Zach as far as individual stats goes. And Zach lost to Jordan because he was outsmarted, Zach's main weakness is his lack of mental focus and smarts when approaching missions/elimination rounds. Evan is another strong competitor that had mental breakdowns in elimination rounds.
Has not shown enough ? Yet you ranked high / said he is underrated that dude who only did one challenge....
Lot of people hate Frank here but they all say he is good. And Zach is just a big idiot.
What do you think of CJ, Cara Maria and Jordan?
Oh and rank Theresa, Cara Maria, Nia and Nany. (epic battle in every thead)
I may not agree with you but you clearly know your stuff
Are you referring to Christian (he displayed the best skill ever on the Extreme Challenge)? And Frank doesn't have the individual stats/performances to be ranked above Zach as the best of the newer generation, simple as that.
CJ-Impressed me on Battle of the Seasons, quite an improvement from Fresh Meat 2, but need to see more of him.
Cara Maria-Probably the second most improved female competitor all time after Coral.
Jordan-Good on Exes 2 but sucked on Free Agents. He's got one mediocre season (Rivals 2), one crappy season (Free Agents) and one good season (Exes 2). Apparently he's retired, so he doesn't crack the top twenty five all time as of right now.
As for the rankings:
1. Theresa
2. Cara Maria
3. Nia
4. Nany
Theresa was never nearly as bad as Cara Maria was in the past, so she is overall better all time.
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
He did complete the Battle of the Seasons final without breaking down, don't know what happened to him on Free Agents.
There are two big reasons for that IMO.
1. They had to slow down for Sam anyway so he wasn't as gassed
2. The attitude wasn't as high and his huge body made it a lot harder to breath than anyone else in the final.
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
His awful personality has nothing to do him losing to Jordan in that hammer challenge, where he had clear advance.
That event was about strategy, not brute strength (which is what Zach resorted to using only). Zach would beat Jordan without a problem in a pure strength match, but Jordan mostly likely wins when it comes to strategy.
Obviously he would, who would not lose to Zach in a pure strenght match? But still I would pick Jordan over Zach anyday.
Right now, I agree that Zach would beat any challenger strength wise, since Mark and CT are past their physical peaks. And to take Jordan over Zach is your perference, but not accurate as far as ranking goes. Zach as of now has the better overall resume, he's superior to Jordan in individual based performances (mainly based on Free Agents).
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
He did complete the Battle of the Seasons final without breaking down, don't know what happened to him on Free Agents.
There are two big reasons for that IMO. 1. They had to slow down for Sam anyway so he wasn't as gassed 2. The attitude wasn't as high and his huge body made it a lot harder to breath than anyone else in the final.
Okay, but I wouldn't knock his overall stamina and endurance based off one final (especially when he completed one). Its the same for CT in the Exes final and Abram on Cutthroat (both completed a final without breaking down).
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
He did complete the Battle of the Seasons final without breaking down, don't know what happened to him on Free Agents.
There are two big reasons for that IMO. 1. They had to slow down for Sam anyway so he wasn't as gassed 2. The attitude wasn't as high and his huge body made it a lot harder to breath than anyone else in the final.
Okay, but I wouldn't knock his overall stamina and endurance based off one final (especially when he completed one). Its the same for CT in the Exes final and Abram on Cutthroat (both completed a final without breaking down).
Abe was sick, CT and Zach just gassed out bc big dudes like them are not great for finale.
Like if finale was with Jordan, Frank, Kenny, CT, Landon, Zach... these big dudes would be last.
Are you referring to Christian (he displayed the best skill ever on the Extreme Challenge)? And Frank doesn't have the individual stats/performances to be ranked above Zach as the best of the newer generation, simple as that.
CJ-Impressed me on Battle of the Seasons, quite an improvement from Fresh Meat 2, but need to see more of him.
Cara Maria-Probably the second most improved female competitor all time after Coral.
Jordan-Good on Exes 2 but sucked on Free Agents. He's got one mediocre season (Rivals 2), one crappy season (Free Agents) and one good season (Exes 2). Apparently he's retired, so he doesn't crack the top twenty five all time as of right now.
As for the rankings:
1. Theresa
2. Cara Maria
3. Nia
4. Nany
Theresa was never nearly as bad as Cara Maria was in the past, so she is overall better all time.
Zach sucks as a person and has awful endurance but he did very well on free agents and has won at least one mission every season he's been on.
He did complete the Battle of the Seasons final without breaking down, don't know what happened to him on Free Agents.
There are two big reasons for that IMO. 1. They had to slow down for Sam anyway so he wasn't as gassed 2. The attitude wasn't as high and his huge body made it a lot harder to breath than anyone else in the final.
Okay, but I wouldn't knock his overall stamina and endurance based off one final (especially when he completed one). Its the same for CT in the Exes final and Abram on Cutthroat (both completed a final without breaking down).
Abe was sick, CT and Zach just gassed out bc big dudes like them are not great for finale.
Like if finale was with Jordan, Frank, Kenny, CT, Landon, Zach... these big dudes would be last.
CT didn't pace himself, he got too carried away (because he never won a final at that point). I think CT is one of the best in finals actually, when he paces himself his stamina is pretty good.
Oblivion is a paid professional to analyze challenge stats, guys. Listen to him.
No, I'm a fan who's logical enough to analyze the challenge before I make a claim like "Johnny Bananas is the greatest competitor all time".
I remember you, this is not your first vevmo account.
Who am I?
Either the least original person here, and that says alot or someone with multiple names. All the points you are making were made by someone else a while back.
Oblivion is a paid professional to analyze challenge stats, guys. Listen to him.
No, I'm a fan who's logical enough to analyze the challenge before I make a claim like "Johnny Bananas is the greatest competitor all time".
I remember you, this is not your first vevmo account.
Who am I?
Either the least original person here, and that says alot or someone with multiple names. All the points you are making were made by someone else a while back.
Who here thinks the newer generation challengers are better competitors than the older challengers? I've seen new school challenge fans state that some of the older challengers wouldn't cut it in todays challenges because they're more physically demanding, which is laughable.
Who here thinks the newer generation challengers are better competitors than the older challengers? I've seen new school challenge fans state that some of the older challengers wouldn't cut it in todays challenges because they're more physically demanding, which is laughable.
They are a lot more physically demanding than older missions but I don't agree.
Who here thinks the newer generation challengers are better competitors than the older challengers? I've seen new school challenge fans state that some of the older challengers wouldn't cut it in todays challenges because they're more physically demanding, which is laughable.
They are a lot more physically demanding than older missions but I don't agree.
Right! Though the older challenges had physically demanding missions too, the Extreme Challenge for example had several of them.
I'm still waiting for that one amateur new school fan to come along and state that they're not.
His awful personality has nothing to do him losing to Jordan in that hammer challenge, where he had clear advance.
You guys can't just base it mainly on finals, you have to look at overall mission performance. But to answer your question, I think Frank would pull out a win over Zach (unless Zach has his head screwed on straight). Frank just hasn't shown enough to be ranked over Zach as far as individual stats goes. And Zach lost to Jordan because he was outsmarted, Zach's main weakness is his lack of mental focus and smarts when approaching missions/elimination rounds. Evan is another strong competitor that had mental breakdowns in elimination rounds.
I never said it did, I mentioned free agents not exes 2.
He did complete the Battle of the Seasons final without breaking down, don't know what happened to him on Free Agents.
That event was about strategy, not brute strength (which is what Zach resorted to using only). Zach would beat Jordan without a problem in a pure strength match, but Jordan mostly likely wins when it comes to strategy.
People make funny lists because if it is so definitive, what is the point in discussing it?
Has not shown enough ? Yet you ranked high / said he is underrated that dude who only did one challenge....
Lot of people hate Frank here but they all say he is good. And Zach is just a big idiot.
What do you think of CJ, Cara Maria and Jordan?
Oh and rank Theresa, Cara Maria, Nia and Nany. (epic battle in every thead)
I may not agree with you but you clearly know your stuff
Exactly, its about overall performance. For example, Wes and Evan won the Duel seasons, but CT and Landon were still the best competitors on those seasons. There are so many factors that determine the outcome of a challenge victory, the best simply don't always win.
Obviously he would, who would not lose to Zach in a pure strenght match? But still I would pick Jordan over Zach anyday.
Are you referring to Christian (he displayed the best skill ever on the Extreme Challenge)? And Frank doesn't have the individual stats/performances to be ranked above Zach as the best of the newer generation, simple as that.
CJ-Impressed me on Battle of the Seasons, quite an improvement from Fresh Meat 2, but need to see more of him.
Cara Maria-Probably the second most improved female competitor all time after Coral.
Jordan-Good on Exes 2 but sucked on Free Agents. He's got one mediocre season (Rivals 2), one crappy season (Free Agents) and one good season (Exes 2). Apparently he's retired, so he doesn't crack the top twenty five all time as of right now.
As for the rankings:
1. Theresa
2. Cara Maria
3. Nia
4. Nany
Theresa was never nearly as bad as Cara Maria was in the past, so she is overall better all time.
There are two big reasons for that IMO.
1. They had to slow down for Sam anyway so he wasn't as gassed
2. The attitude wasn't as high and his huge body made it a lot harder to breath than anyone else in the final.
Right now, I agree that Zach would beat any challenger strength wise, since Mark and CT are past their physical peaks. And to take Jordan over Zach is your perference, but not accurate as far as ranking goes. Zach as of now has the better overall resume, he's superior to Jordan in individual based performances (mainly based on Free Agents).
Riot act was amazing. I loved gimme a hand and bottleneck stampede too
Okay, but I wouldn't knock his overall stamina and endurance based off one final (especially when he completed one). Its the same for CT in the Exes final and Abram on Cutthroat (both completed a final without breaking down).
Abe was sick, CT and Zach just gassed out bc big dudes like them are not great for finale.
Like if finale was with Jordan, Frank, Kenny, CT, Landon, Zach... these big dudes would be last.
love those rankings
I remember you, this is not your first vevmo account.
Who am I?
CT didn't pace himself, he got too carried away (because he never won a final at that point). I think CT is one of the best in finals actually, when he paces himself his stamina is pretty good.
Either the least original person here, and that says alot or someone with multiple names. All the points you are making were made by someone else a while back.
Hmmm
Who here thinks the newer generation challengers are better competitors than the older challengers? I've seen new school challenge fans state that some of the older challengers wouldn't cut it in todays challenges because they're more physically demanding, which is laughable.
They are a lot more physically demanding than older missions but I don't agree.
Not my true name, but what's up!
Right! Though the older challenges had physically demanding missions too, the Extreme Challenge for example had several of them.
I'm still waiting for that one amateur new school fan to come along and state that they're not.
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Yeah. You're also what's his **** from EntertainingReality.
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