All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
JEKfan is a Zach hater. smh.
I've always thought he was overrated since Day 1. I don't think he sucks AT ALL but he has not lived up to his and everyone else's expectations.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
his performance on free agents.
He did well in challenges but what else did he do besides win trivia and make it to the end of piggy back (I think) to standout? Him and CT won dug out against 4 guys half their size. He beat Brandon a guy 1/3 of his size. That and his **** poor final performance is all I remember him doing on Free Agents.
A guy with Zach's skillset should be the best guy on every single season. He's taller, heavier and stronger than everyone else. He's also extremely fast for his size and it's not like he's just a roided out freak...he's actually athletic. Based on all of that I think it's pretty fair to say he's been disappointing overall. He's not bad by any means, he's probably going to be one of the best 3 or 4 guys to go on any season...but he should be wrecking shop all the time and he isn't.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
It wasn't Zach who didn't use his size properly against CJ. CJ just managed to get lower than Zach, which is pretty easy. but than Zach jumped over CJ and CJ realized that he couldn't rely on his speed anymore. and im gonna PM you a picutre that shows Zach wasn't beaten by Jordan as much as prdocution made it look like.
Dude lost enough rounds to guy who is smaller than him in eliminiation game what is designed for bigger / stronger people. Like you can not deny Hall Bawl is something where he should win easily being biggest dude. And he lost to guy, who is 1/3 of his size, guy who has 1 hand in game where you have to hold big *** hammer and hit metal. That game was also designed to him. Even if Jordan won by 5 seconds, it is still very embarr***ing. Dude has one hand jfc.
okay ill give you Jordan but not CJ. the way y'all speak on how Zach performed against CJ you would have thought he almost lost to JD. and to the bolded how the heck is Zach suppose to get lower than CJ? CJ used physics and used a lower center of gravity against his larger opponent.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I liked the Fresh Meat seasons and some of the Fresh Meat cast are still my favorites.
FM1 was dynamic and elusive. FM2 was more like an apology season. like c'mon. throw in some bananas and your set for the challenge. WHOS WITH ME!?!?!?! LET THE BIRDS FLY. you have to let people be themselves.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
I would take CT any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Zach, and I'm not even a CT fan. CT doesn't have the final wins the Johnny does but his track record of making it to finals and performing well in them (barring Exes, which didn't happen until the very end) is way better than Zach's. CT, before he got older and mellowed out, used to be viewed by the other castmembers as a force of nature and they were TERRIFIED of him, and typically rightfully so. And, realisitically, CT should probably have 4 wins now if it weren't for his own stupidity (Inferno 3), the stupidity of the rules (Duel), and Big Easy (Gauntlet 3). Zach, on the other hand, has his win from going against a subpar team, a half team, and being able to walk at Sam's pace for half of that race. I doubt he could've kept up with Frank and Ashley if forced to run the whole time.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
zach is not even close to CT level, when has zach prove to be physically and athletically better? CT has showed plenty of times what he can do, and has dominate daily challenges that other guys failed to complete. Zach on the other hand has done nothing but the average performance on the challenge, I still don't see anything that u could say "wow that was crazy", or haven't see him dominate a full season yet.
tbh I'm more impressed with frank than zach, I don't think no one saw frank coming and to be really good, I was more impressed for the way frank compete on BOTS than zach. I still think that had frank made it to the finals on free agents the guy would have won the whole thing.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
tbh I'm more impressed with frank than zach, I don't think no one saw frank coming and to be really good, I was more impressed for the way frank compete on BOTS than zach. I still think that had frank made it to the finals on free agents the guy would have won the whole thing.
I agree. I think Frank is the best overall competitor (physical/social/political) to come on the show since Bananas...which pains me to say because I could not stand him his first three shows. I do think, however, that after Johnny losing on Rivals 2 he came on Free Agents in way better shape. He probably couldn't run long distance the way Frank does, but I think it would've come down to who got Devyn where.
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
tbh I'm more impressed with frank than zach, I don't think no one saw frank coming and to be really good, I was more impressed for the way frank compete on BOTS than zach. I still think that had frank made it to the finals on free agents the guy would have won the whole thing.
I agree. I think Frank is the best overall competitor (physical/social/political) to come on the show since Bananas...which pains me to say because I could not stand him his first three shows. I do think, however, that after Johnny losing on Rivals 2 he came on Free Agents in way better shape. He probably couldn't run long distance the way Frank does, but I think it would've come down to who got Devyn where.
I agree. I never expected Frank to be as good as he was but he was definitely the best guy from the new generation. I think he would have been the next Bananas in the sense he is well rounded/smart/good at politics and would have probably have 5 wins under his belt easily if he kept doing the challenges.
The FA final would have been close between the 2 of them, I'm not sure who would have won.
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
totally agree about your description of cara. cara isnt a real athlete or beast instead shes a strong but highly domesticated, beverly hills gym rat that throws around metal in sexually suggestive yoga pants at an air conditioned, industrialized, man made building with vanity mirrors, electronic TVs, justin bieber playing in the background and a basic ***** pinkberry smoothie bar downstairs. a true "beast" or what they call athlete is all instinctual, with an animalistic and blood lusted hard wiring in the brain, like a cat or a dog despite being domesticated for thousands of years still retains its coordindation, reflexes, savagery, etc. Its something you really cant train for especially if you didnt grow up doing sports or learning in "that way" or it just flat out isnt in your DNA script. i respect the effort that cara puts into the gym but theres a clear limitation to her abilities but thankfully for her it will never be tested in this environment since none of the girls except maybe emily, ashley K prepares as much as she does and shell always be able to compensate for what she naturally lacks with al her gym hours
Fresh Meat 1 was a decent season in retrospect. Most of the alumni that appared were tired and played out by the time of that season so despite me not liking the Fresh Meat concept I was glad to see new faces and The Austin cast too.
And on another Note: I didn't like Wes on this season but he had a **** good showing here.
Fresh Meat 2 was boring, shitty, and pointless. Of all the Fresh Meat to come from that season only Laurel and Cara Maria went on to really make a dent in these shows. Kinda sad when you think about it.
I also think Frank is the best guy out of the new school competitors. I never rooted for him on any of his challenges but I have to give him credit. I despised him so much on Seasons 2 and Rivals 2 but I thought he was tolerable on Free Agents. Too bad Frank didn't stay longer on that season, he could've shown everyone a whole different side to him. The whole game could've turned out different if Frank never got disqualified.
I for one believe that if Frank had stayed longer in Free Agents, we would see the same edit of him we've had in previous challenges. He's easily the most villanous character of the new generation.
i cant stand frank but i have to give credit when credit is due. hes a strong competitor. i wouldnt mind seeing him back cause i like having someone to root against.
i cant stand frank but i have to give credit when credit is due. hes a strong competitor. i wouldnt mind seeing him back cause i like having someone to root against.
What CT did right was stick around long enough to go through his "redemption" arc.
Frank could have been at the precipice of something like that, not a good time to retire. Now people just have to take his word that he's "changed."
I mean... if he doesn't GAF than it hardly matters in the actual world - but from a television perspective, he missed out on his story.
Interesting point. I remember when a lot of fans HATED CT during The Inferno III-The Duel II seasons but when he came back on Rivals, he gained a lot of fans and was the star of that season.
that was me. i disliked him when he debuted but rooted for him during rivals. i wanted him so bad to beat bananas, kenny and wes. i actually liked him on inferno 3.
I liked FM 1 but the FM 2 cast was awful. I can't believe some of those people made it on a reality show.
I agree 1000% with you. Fresh Meat was still to this day one of the best challenges to ever hit our screens. It is my No. 2 season behind The Inferno II and mot by much at all. There were absolutely no weak points in either season. The only reason Inferno II is my No. 1 is more of bias opinion of mine because that was my challenge that I watched in full and it was the season that got me hooked. But Fresh Meat was easily the most unpredictable challenge ever. After 3 challenges, everyone was thinking final would have been Coral/Evan, Theo/Chanda, Derrick/Diem, and Darrell/Aviv and in episode 16, only one of those 4 remained. Coral going home for the first time ever, Theo being eliminated for the first time ever, all the power house teams got eliminated and at the end we had 3 teams that were not considered power houses by anymeans at the beginning of the game.
Fresh Meat II was pathetic in my opinion. The alumni guys cast was okay, but the alumni girls sucked and most of the Fresh Meat kids were very lackluster and boring. The FM2 guys were horribly cast. The four girls that appeared on challenges after FM2 were good, everyone else was awful. However, an unpopular opinion of mine is despite Fresh Meat II as a whole being an awful season, it had some of my favorite political drama. Never have we seen a mega alliace literally be completely and utterly dismantled at the seems as we saw on that challenge. That was its only strength as a season. Other than that, Fresh Meat II was absolutely horrid to watch.
I for one believe that if Frank had stayed longer in Free Agents, we would see the same edit of him we've had in previous challenges. He's easily the most villanous character of the new generation.
I think from just his showing on Seasons, he is the most villanous person ever. He put Johnny from The Island, Wes from Fresh Meat/Fresh Meat II, Kenny from The Island and The Ruins, CT from The Gauntlet III to absolute shame with the way he came off on Battle of the Seasons.
The alumni female cast wasn't so bad. It seemed bad cause Sarah and Paula got eliminated early. Katelyn sucked and was a waste, but everyone else was good: Jenn, Ev and Jillian. I don't mind the concept of fresh meat but I hate the exile. I found it stupid.
JEKfan is a Zach hater. smh.
I've always thought he was overrated since Day 1. I don't think he sucks AT ALL but he has not lived up to his and everyone else's expectations.
He did well in challenges but what else did he do besides win trivia and make it to the end of piggy back (I think) to standout? Him and CT won dug out against 4 guys half their size. He beat Brandon a guy 1/3 of his size. That and his **** poor final performance is all I remember him doing on Free Agents.
A guy with Zach's skillset should be the best guy on every single season. He's taller, heavier and stronger than everyone else. He's also extremely fast for his size and it's not like he's just a roided out freak...he's actually athletic. Based on all of that I think it's pretty fair to say he's been disappointing overall. He's not bad by any means, he's probably going to be one of the best 3 or 4 guys to go on any season...but he should be wrecking shop all the time and he isn't.
^^zach is very much like EMILY SCHROMM imo
both put in about 500x the work of everyone else and get about only a 0.05% conversion that turns into actual success ,athletic endeavors in the challenges
All I am saying is Zach is stupid af.
I think that's underrating Emily a little bit. Emily only started to become a fitness nut pre-Exes, and didn't appear on the challenge as a cross-fit-er until Rivals 2. While there were some areas that she struggled on Cutthroat and Exes but she was well above average on both of them...once she started putting in 500X effort she pretty much cleaned house (Rivals 2). She's also still 7-0 in elimination rounds and won a final as the best member of the team (which Zach cannot say).
I think the main difference between Emily and Zach is that Zach, naturally, is one of the best athletes among the guys, while I don't think Emily's natural athleticism compares to Laurel, Evelyn, Theresa, maybe Camila. I find Emily impressive because she isn't the athlete that any of those girls are, but worked hard to get on their level. Zach is already a top tier athlete, AND trains his *** off, and STILL isn't elite. I think the best comparison for Emily, as much as she'd likely hate it, is Cara Maria. Neither of them are naturally as athletic as some of the other girls (Emily has more of it than Cara, but still) and they just train really hard. Emily's edge is just that she had a bigger body and killer instinct that Cara doesn't. If Cara were two inches taller, 20 pounds of muscle heavier, and wasn't whiney, she'd be Emily to a T.
Unpopular Opinion:
I liked the Fresh Meat seasons and some of the Fresh Meat cast are still my favorites.
FM1 was dynamic and elusive. FM2 was more like an apology season. like c'mon. throw in some bananas and your set for the challenge. WHOS WITH ME!?!?!?! LET THE BIRDS FLY. you have to let people be themselves.
I liked FM 1 but the FM 2 cast was awful. I can't believe some of those people made it on a reality show.
I woudl compare Zach to CT if we are really comparing him to anyone, I mean they both prove to be physically and athletically better than the rest of their cast but still lack that dominance that guys like Bananas(or really just bananas) has had.
I would take CT any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Zach, and I'm not even a CT fan. CT doesn't have the final wins the Johnny does but his track record of making it to finals and performing well in them (barring Exes, which didn't happen until the very end) is way better than Zach's. CT, before he got older and mellowed out, used to be viewed by the other castmembers as a force of nature and they were TERRIFIED of him, and typically rightfully so. And, realisitically, CT should probably have 4 wins now if it weren't for his own stupidity (Inferno 3), the stupidity of the rules (Duel), and Big Easy (Gauntlet 3). Zach, on the other hand, has his win from going against a subpar team, a half team, and being able to walk at Sam's pace for half of that race. I doubt he could've kept up with Frank and Ashley if forced to run the whole time.
zach is not even close to CT level, when has zach prove to be physically and athletically better? CT has showed plenty of times what he can do, and has dominate daily challenges that other guys failed to complete. Zach on the other hand has done nothing but the average performance on the challenge, I still don't see anything that u could say "wow that was crazy", or haven't see him dominate a full season yet.
tbh I'm more impressed with frank than zach, I don't think no one saw frank coming and to be really good, I was more impressed for the way frank compete on BOTS than zach. I still think that had frank made it to the finals on free agents the guy would have won the whole thing.
I agree. I think Frank is the best overall competitor (physical/social/political) to come on the show since Bananas...which pains me to say because I could not stand him his first three shows. I do think, however, that after Johnny losing on Rivals 2 he came on Free Agents in way better shape. He probably couldn't run long distance the way Frank does, but I think it would've come down to who got Devyn where.
I agree. I never expected Frank to be as good as he was but he was definitely the best guy from the new generation. I think he would have been the next Bananas in the sense he is well rounded/smart/good at politics and would have probably have 5 wins under his belt easily if he kept doing the challenges.
The FA final would have been close between the 2 of them, I'm not sure who would have won.
totally agree about your description of cara. cara isnt a real athlete or beast instead shes a strong but highly domesticated, beverly hills gym rat that throws around metal in sexually suggestive yoga pants at an air conditioned, industrialized, man made building with vanity mirrors, electronic TVs, justin bieber playing in the background and a basic ***** pinkberry smoothie bar downstairs. a true "beast" or what they call athlete is all instinctual, with an animalistic and blood lusted hard wiring in the brain, like a cat or a dog despite being domesticated for thousands of years still retains its coordindation, reflexes, savagery, etc. Its something you really cant train for especially if you didnt grow up doing sports or learning in "that way" or it just flat out isnt in your DNA script. i respect the effort that cara puts into the gym but theres a clear limitation to her abilities but thankfully for her it will never be tested in this environment since none of the girls except maybe emily, ashley K prepares as much as she does and shell always be able to compensate for what she naturally lacks with al her gym hours
Love this Frank love.
Fresh Meat 1 was a decent season in retrospect. Most of the alumni that appared were tired and played out by the time of that season so despite me not liking the Fresh Meat concept I was glad to see new faces and The Austin cast too.
And on another Note: I didn't like Wes on this season but he had a **** good showing here.
Fresh Meat 2 was boring, shitty, and pointless. Of all the Fresh Meat to come from that season only Laurel and Cara Maria went on to really make a dent in these shows. Kinda sad when you think about it.
And I do agree that Frank is one of if not THE best competitor from the new generation. I do wish he were more rootable though.
I also think Frank is the best guy out of the new school competitors. I never rooted for him on any of his challenges but I have to give him credit. I despised him so much on Seasons 2 and Rivals 2 but I thought he was tolerable on Free Agents. Too bad Frank didn't stay longer on that season, he could've shown everyone a whole different side to him. The whole game could've turned out different if Frank never got disqualified.
I for one believe that if Frank had stayed longer in Free Agents, we would see the same edit of him we've had in previous challenges. He's easily the most villanous character of the new generation.
i cant stand frank but i have to give credit when credit is due. hes a strong competitor. i wouldnt mind seeing him back cause i like having someone to root against.
What CT did right was stick around long enough to go through his "redemption" arc.
Frank could have been at the precipice of something like that, not a good time to retire. Now people just have to take his word that he's "changed."
I mean... if he doesn't GAF than it hardly matters in the actual world - but from a television perspective, he missed out on his story.
Interesting point. I remember when a lot of fans HATED CT during The Inferno III-The Duel II seasons but when he came back on Rivals, he gained a lot of fans and was the star of that season.
that was me. i disliked him when he debuted but rooted for him during rivals. i wanted him so bad to beat bananas, kenny and wes. i actually liked him on inferno 3.
I agree 1000% with you. Fresh Meat was still to this day one of the best challenges to ever hit our screens. It is my No. 2 season behind The Inferno II and mot by much at all. There were absolutely no weak points in either season. The only reason Inferno II is my No. 1 is more of bias opinion of mine because that was my challenge that I watched in full and it was the season that got me hooked. But Fresh Meat was easily the most unpredictable challenge ever. After 3 challenges, everyone was thinking final would have been Coral/Evan, Theo/Chanda, Derrick/Diem, and Darrell/Aviv and in episode 16, only one of those 4 remained. Coral going home for the first time ever, Theo being eliminated for the first time ever, all the power house teams got eliminated and at the end we had 3 teams that were not considered power houses by anymeans at the beginning of the game.
Fresh Meat II was pathetic in my opinion. The alumni guys cast was okay, but the alumni girls sucked and most of the Fresh Meat kids were very lackluster and boring. The FM2 guys were horribly cast. The four girls that appeared on challenges after FM2 were good, everyone else was awful. However, an unpopular opinion of mine is despite Fresh Meat II as a whole being an awful season, it had some of my favorite political drama. Never have we seen a mega alliace literally be completely and utterly dismantled at the seems as we saw on that challenge. That was its only strength as a season. Other than that, Fresh Meat II was absolutely horrid to watch.
I think from just his showing on Seasons, he is the most villanous person ever. He put Johnny from The Island, Wes from Fresh Meat/Fresh Meat II, Kenny from The Island and The Ruins, CT from The Gauntlet III to absolute shame with the way he came off on Battle of the Seasons.
The alumni female cast wasn't so bad. It seemed bad cause Sarah and Paula got eliminated early. Katelyn sucked and was a waste, but everyone else was good: Jenn, Ev and Jillian. I don't mind the concept of fresh meat but I hate the exile. I found it stupid.
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