Tori played the little "sweet Southern belle" card so much, but she really deep down was a *****. She was *****y towards Frank and Jillian all through the Gauntlet 3 and we all know how she acted on Cutthroat. The only time I tolerated her was on Viewers Revenge.
Speaking of the Gauntlet 3, I think Coral was the best person to ever quit a challenge. She left so unbothered and her whole team got pissed because they had to nominate someone else to go in against Ev (which was weird because they wanted all their girls besides Ev to go anyways).
All of this. The veterans were a bunch of hypocrites and I'm glad karma came back to bite them in the final challenge. They used Coral to get rid of Beth so I don't blame her for walking out on them. Casey "stepping up" to go against Evelyn did not deserve a round of applause. I will never understand why the veterans wanted to sacrifice Coral into the gauntlet over Casey and Robin.
Because they were intimated by Coral. They knew Coral wouldn't listen to them, she had no problem getting in CT's face so they knew she would have no problem standing up to any of them. Casey/Robin would listen to anything they said and I'm sure they weren't planning on keeping Casey to the end...They just got rid of Coral first.
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
Aneesa did. that was a good elimination. also i loved it how Zach beasted on CT in the Bunce Out mission. hehehe proves Zach is a beast.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
It wasn't Zach who didn't use his size properly against CJ. CJ just managed to get lower than Zach, which is pretty easy. but than Zach jumped over CJ and CJ realized that he couldn't rely on his speed anymore. and im gonna PM you a picutre that shows Zach wasn't beaten by Jordan as much as prdocution made it look like.
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
Aneesa did. that was a good elimination. also i loved it how Zach beasted on CT in the Bunce Out mission. hehehe proves Zach is a beast.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
Roylee was going against Jordan and Preston just so happened to sneek in and bump him. and remember Zach was going againt CT and Swift at the same time. So anyone knocking CT over in a physical bout isn't impressive. hmm.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
Aneesa did. that was a good elimination. also i loved it how Zach beasted on CT in the Bunce Out mission. hehehe proves Zach is a beast.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
Roylee was going against Jordan and Preston just so happened to sneek in and bump him. and remember Zach was going againt CT and Swift at the same time. So anyone knocking CT over in a physical bout isn't impressive. hmm.
This! People seem to always forget about Jordan when they say" Preston knocked Leroy over"
From a alpha male's perspective, it would be difficult to tolerate someone like Coral, who as headstrong as she is, from physical standpoint she is a beta level competitor which dictates for her to follow instead of going off on teammates and opponents as if she can lead, if she was physically alpha like laurel, emily etc. it might have been tolerable for some of the guys.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
Aneesa did. that was a good elimination. also i loved it how Zach beasted on CT in the Bunce Out mission. hehehe proves Zach is a beast.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
Roylee was going against Jordan and Preston just so happened to sneek in and bump him. and remember Zach was going againt CT and Swift at the same time. So anyone knocking CT over in a physical bout isn't impressive. hmm.
But Preston still knocked Leroy down, didn't he? If he didn't, he at least caused him to lose his balance.
Like I said, it was mainly the balls that knocked CT and everybody else down. It doesn't show how much of a beast anybody is. Maybe if they didn't have the balls and just ran into each other than maybe.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
It wasn't Zach who didn't use his size properly against CJ. CJ just managed to get lower than Zach, which is pretty easy. but than Zach jumped over CJ and CJ realized that he couldn't rely on his speed anymore. and im gonna PM you a picutre that shows Zach wasn't beaten by Jordan as much as prdocution made it look like.
Dude lost enough rounds to guy who is smaller than him in eliminiation game what is designed for bigger / stronger people. Like you can not deny Hall Bawl is something where he should win easily being biggest dude.
And he lost to guy, who is 1/3 of his size, guy who has 1 hand in game where you have to hold big *** hammer and hit metal. That game was also designed to him. Even if Jordan won by 5 seconds, it is still very embarr***ing. Dude has one hand jfc.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
Aneesa did. that was a good elimination. also i loved it how Zach beasted on CT in the Bunce Out mission. hehehe proves Zach is a beast.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
Roylee was going against Jordan and Preston just so happened to sneek in and bump him. and remember Zach was going againt CT and Swift at the same time. So anyone knocking CT over in a physical bout isn't impressive. hmm.
But Preston still knocked Leroy down, didn't he? If he didn't, he at least caused him to lose his balance.
Like I said, it was mainly the balls that knocked CT and everybody else down. It doesn't show how much of a beast anybody is. Maybe if they didn't have the balls and just ran into each other than maybe.
Preston got way to much credit, he came in at the last second after Jordan & Leroy were at a stalemate .
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
I strongly disagree!
Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
I personally wish there were more Emily's, zach and ct's on the challenges. I'm not saying everyone has to be some cross fit monster, but I enjoy watching the physical competition aspect of the game.
I agree like look at free agents was there anyone who wouldve even come close to beating Laurel in an elimination ?
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
Okay lets not make every excuse in the book to justify Zach not living up to his full capabilities. First off, Trey does not suck. He has never shown to suck whatsoever. On Seasons, he didn't DQ and it was not his fault that they came in last, actually it was everyone's fault but his, Robb/Marie came in last on the egg toss which put them in the losers round, Trey beat Chet in the losers round, and Laura lost against Sarah which put them in the Arena. And on Rivals II he 2 two challenges with Zach and did poorly on Frog Smash. So because he did poor on 1 out of 11 challenges he has done, that means he sucks?
Jonna a poor teammate? I realize Jonna is no Laurel or Emily, but Jonna is nowhere near a poor competitor. She in between good and middle of the road. And having a shitty partner is no excuse for doing poorly. If you disagree watch Wes on Fresh Meat and/or Landon on Fresh Meat II. Those were poor partners. Jonna is no slouche. I do not like her whatsoever, but she is not a "poor teammate" by any stretch.
I can level with you on the high altitude part which was a disadvantage for Zach on the Free Agents final and I would agree with you 100% if that is what he was complaining about. If he were saying, "The elevation change is so drastic that I feel like crap" I could see where your coming from, but all he was saying the whole time was "I'm cramping up, I'm gonna die".
I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
Okay lets not make every excuse in the book to justify Zach not living up to his full capabilities. First off, Trey does not suck. He has never shown to suck whatsoever. On Seasons, he didn't DQ and it was not his fault that they came in last, actually it was everyone's fault but his, Robb/Marie came in last on the egg toss which put them in the losers round, Trey beat Chet in the losers round, and Laura lost against Sarah which put them in the Arena. And on Rivals II he 2 two challenges with Zach and did poorly on Frog Smash. So because he did poor on 1 out of 11 challenges he has done, that means he sucks?
Jonna a poor teammate? I realize Jonna is no Laurel or Emily, but Jonna is nowhere near a poor competitor. She in between good and middle of the road. And having a shitty partner is no excuse for doing poorly. If you disagree watch Wes on Fresh Meat and/or Landon on Fresh Meat II. Those were poor partners. Jonna is no slouche. I do not like her whatsoever, but she is not a "poor teammate" by any stretch.
I can level with you on the high altitude part which was a disadvantage for Zach on the Free Agents final and I would agree with you 100% if that is what he was complaining about. If he were saying, "The elevation change is so drastic that I feel like crap" I could see where your coming from, but all he was saying the whole time was "I'm cramping up, I'm gonna die".
I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever.
"I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever." -----> this is what i'm saying and agree with, although as we can see by this argument it's very difficult to measure somebodies potential. The cramping is the effects i was talking about from high altitudes, your muscles need blood to function which requires oxygen and the bigger your muscles the more oxygen you need for your muscles to function therefore when the air is thinner there is less oxygen. ( I am like 75% sure about this I very well may be wrong)
On another not, Trey is very average/sucks. He is an average physical competitor and on Seasons he proved he is one of the worst political/likeable players like it pains me to watch and listen to his bullshit ego on seasons and even on his RW season.
As I said in another post Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
Sorry some of my wording may have been poor hopefully this clears things up ?
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
Okay lets not make every excuse in the book to justify Zach not living up to his full capabilities. First off, Trey does not suck. He has never shown to suck whatsoever. On Seasons, he didn't DQ and it was not his fault that they came in last, actually it was everyone's fault but his, Robb/Marie came in last on the egg toss which put them in the losers round, Trey beat Chet in the losers round, and Laura lost against Sarah which put them in the Arena. And on Rivals II he 2 two challenges with Zach and did poorly on Frog Smash. So because he did poor on 1 out of 11 challenges he has done, that means he sucks?
Jonna a poor teammate? I realize Jonna is no Laurel or Emily, but Jonna is nowhere near a poor competitor. She in between good and middle of the road. And having a shitty partner is no excuse for doing poorly. If you disagree watch Wes on Fresh Meat and/or Landon on Fresh Meat II. Those were poor partners. Jonna is no slouche. I do not like her whatsoever, but she is not a "poor teammate" by any stretch.
I can level with you on the high altitude part which was a disadvantage for Zach on the Free Agents final and I would agree with you 100% if that is what he was complaining about. If he were saying, "The elevation change is so drastic that I feel like crap" I could see where your coming from, but all he was saying the whole time was "I'm cramping up, I'm gonna die".
I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever.
"I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever." -----> this is what i'm saying and agree with, although as we can see by this argument it's very difficult to measure somebodies potential. The cramping is the effects i was talking about from high altitudes, your muscles need blood to function which requires oxygen and the bigger your muscles the more oxygen you need for your muscles to function therefore when the air is thinner there is less oxygen. ( I am like 75% sure about this I very well may be wrong)
On another not, Trey is very average/sucks. He is an average physical competitor and on Seasons he proved he is one of the worst political/likeable players like it pains me to watch and listen to his bullshit ego on seasons and even on his RW season.
As I said in another post Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
Sorry some of my wording may have been poor hopefully this clears things up ?
Well, what you said about bigger dudes in higher altitudes and cramps makes sense so I'll take your word for it. Sounds like it holds water to me.
I will disagree about Trey though. I don't think he sucks at all. Like I said, he has never done anything (other than falling off the plank on Frog Smash after 3 feet) to show that he is a bad competitor. And I'm leaving politics aside because you can be awful at politics and still be a good/decent competitor; CT, Landon, and Derrick are some examples of that. On Seasons, his team did fine on Don't Cross Me, he held off against Danny who is more experience and bigger than him on the oil wrestling challenge, St. Thomas finished the Hook/Line/Sinker challenge and didn't come in last, Don't Weigh Me Down was all politics so they weren't getting last anyway, Chairman of the Board was trivia so that doesn't prove he is strong or weak, and Insane Games I already explained. On Rivals II, he won 2 challenges, whether XXX Games was completely stupid, he still beat 12 other guys, Mind Over Splatter him and Zach did fine, I don't remember Stumped, and Frog Smash he ****** up. His only **** up. I actually like Trey. I don't get why people give him shit for his "ego" which wasn't even that bad, when people praise Wes for it. I don't blame Trey at all for the way he acted on Seasons. Sure maybe it was bad politically, but he wasn't going to let Frank and Zach boss him around to only screw him over later anway. I applaud him for that.
And I replied to your comment before I saw your clarification on the Jonna comment.
I love discussing the challange and have so many more opinions I just want to put out there
1) I really dont like Alton (really just on BOTS but it was enough for me to really dislike him)
2) Even tho we have seen too many of them lately i think pairs challenges are just better politics and competition-wise
3) I respect Cara Maria for her physical accomplishments through the show, but I just cant help but scream at the TV every season she shows up and STILL CANT SWIM like you know swimming is a hugggggge part of the challenge (same goes for Leroy but nobody can hate Leroy he's americas favorite garbage man)
4) I think Theresa may be one of the worst politcal players in the show
5) I wish wish wish It could've just been Chet and Sarah in the BOTS final than all of brooklyn like what a better competition that wouldve been. and as much as I hated San diego for being ***** they were pretty athletically impressive in a very difficult final.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
Okay lets not make every excuse in the book to justify Zach not living up to his full capabilities. First off, Trey does not suck. He has never shown to suck whatsoever. On Seasons, he didn't DQ and it was not his fault that they came in last, actually it was everyone's fault but his, Robb/Marie came in last on the egg toss which put them in the losers round, Trey beat Chet in the losers round, and Laura lost against Sarah which put them in the Arena. And on Rivals II he 2 two challenges with Zach and did poorly on Frog Smash. So because he did poor on 1 out of 11 challenges he has done, that means he sucks?
Jonna a poor teammate? I realize Jonna is no Laurel or Emily, but Jonna is nowhere near a poor competitor. She in between good and middle of the road. And having a shitty partner is no excuse for doing poorly. If you disagree watch Wes on Fresh Meat and/or Landon on Fresh Meat II. Those were poor partners. Jonna is no slouche. I do not like her whatsoever, but she is not a "poor teammate" by any stretch.
I can level with you on the high altitude part which was a disadvantage for Zach on the Free Agents final and I would agree with you 100% if that is what he was complaining about. If he were saying, "The elevation change is so drastic that I feel like crap" I could see where your coming from, but all he was saying the whole time was "I'm cramping up, I'm gonna die".
I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever.
"I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever." -----> this is what i'm saying and agree with, although as we can see by this argument it's very difficult to measure somebodies potential. The cramping is the effects i was talking about from high altitudes, your muscles need blood to function which requires oxygen and the bigger your muscles the more oxygen you need for your muscles to function therefore when the air is thinner there is less oxygen. ( I am like 75% sure about this I very well may be wrong)
On another not, Trey is very average/sucks. He is an average physical competitor and on Seasons he proved he is one of the worst political/likeable players like it pains me to watch and listen to his bullshit ego on seasons and even on his RW season.
As I said in another post Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
Sorry some of my wording may have been poor hopefully this clears things up ?
Well, what you said about bigger dudes in higher altitudes and cramps makes sense so I'll take your word for it. Sounds like it holds water to me.
I will disagree about Trey though. I don't think he sucks at all. Like I said, he has never done anything (other than falling off the plank on Frog Smash after 3 feet) to show that he is a bad competitor. And I'm leaving politics aside because you can be awful at politics and still be a good/decent competitor; CT, Landon, and Derrick are some examples of that. On Seasons, his team did fine on Don't Cross Me, he held off against Danny who is more experience and bigger than him on the oil wrestling challenge, St. Thomas finished the Hook/Line/Sinker challenge and didn't come in last, Don't Weigh Me Down was all politics so they weren't getting last anyway, Chairman of the Board was trivia so that doesn't prove he is strong or weak, and Insane Games I already explained. On Rivals II, he won 2 challenges, whether XXX Games was completely stupid, he still beat 12 other guys, Mind Over Splatter him and Zach did fine, I don't remember Stumped, and Frog Smash he ****** up. His only **** up. I actually like Trey. I don't get why people give him shit for his "ego" which wasn't even that bad, when people praise Wes for it. I don't blame Trey at all for the way he acted on Seasons. Sure maybe it was bad politically, but he wasn't going to let Frank and Zach boss him around to only screw him over later anway. I applaud him for that.
And I replied to your comment before I saw your clarification on the Jonna comment.
idk i just really dislike Trey and rewatching BOTS St. Thomas would have been so much better if they alligned with the rookie alliance from the start and it was trey's choice they didn't and everything he says in that season is just shit and he really gave off such a bullshit arrogance like in the first episode his conversation with wes and then in the later episode ( i cant remeber which one exactly like 2 or 3 ) his conversation with Team San Diego he just sucked politcally making me dislike him even more than in his real world season (which was a boring *** season) where he had a relationship at home where he got a girl pregnant and shouldve probably left the show to be with her but didnt (**** move #1) then continued to hook up and lead on Laura ( **** move #2) then would get mad at Laura when she flirted with other guys (**** move #3). Trey sucks.
idk i just really dislike Trey and rewatching BOTS St. Thomas would have been so much better if they alligned with the rookie alliance from the start and it was trey's choice they didn't and everything he says in that season is just shit and he really gave off such a bullshit arrogance like in the first episode his conversation with wes and then in the later episode ( i cant remeber which one exactly like 2 or 3 ) his conversation with Team San Diego he just sucked politcally making me dislike him even more than in his real world season (which was a boring *** season) where he had a relationship at home where he got a girl pregnant and shouldve probably left the show to be with her but didnt (**** move #1) then continued to hook up and lead on Laura ( **** move #2) then would get mad at Laura when she flirted with other guys (**** move #3). Trey sucks.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
It wasn't Zach who didn't use his size properly against CJ. CJ just managed to get lower than Zach, which is pretty easy. but than Zach jumped over CJ and CJ realized that he couldn't rely on his speed anymore. and im gonna PM you a picutre that shows Zach wasn't beaten by Jordan as much as prdocution made it look like.
Dude lost enough rounds to guy who is smaller than him in eliminiation game what is designed for bigger / stronger people. Like you can not deny Hall Bawl is something where he should win easily being biggest dude. And he lost to guy, who is 1/3 of his size, guy who has 1 hand in game where you have to hold big *** hammer and hit metal. That game was also designed to him. Even if Jordan won by 5 seconds, it is still very embarr***ing. Dude has one hand jfc.
okay ill give you Jordan but not CJ. the way y'all speak on how Zach performed against CJ you would have thought he almost lost to JD. and to the bolded how the heck is Zach suppose to get lower than CJ? CJ used physics and used a lower center of gravity against his larger opponent.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
Because they were intimated by Coral. They knew Coral wouldn't listen to them, she had no problem getting in CT's face so they knew she would have no problem standing up to any of them. Casey/Robin would listen to anything they said and I'm sure they weren't planning on keeping Casey to the end...They just got rid of Coral first.
I don't see how that proves he's a beast. All he did was run into someone with a ball and they fell over. That's just like saying Preston is a beast for knocking Leroy over.
All what Zach has is his size/strenght but he is sooooo stupid and do not know how even use that. (See Jordan and CJ)
WORD.
The only reason Zach has even won a challenge is because of Frank Sweeney. Even Frank wanted to get rid of him and Sam on Seasons because he knew Zach was dumb and overrated.
I'm not saying Zach sucks because he doesn't but he is/was extremely overrated.
It wasn't Zach who didn't use his size properly against CJ. CJ just managed to get lower than Zach, which is pretty easy. but than Zach jumped over CJ and CJ realized that he couldn't rely on his speed anymore. and im gonna PM you a picutre that shows Zach wasn't beaten by Jordan as much as prdocution made it look like.
Roylee was going against Jordan and Preston just so happened to sneek in and bump him. and remember Zach was going againt CT and Swift at the same time. So anyone knocking CT over in a physical bout isn't impressive. hmm.
and he made it to the finals in Free Agents soooo.....
So... he didn't win and got beat by 2 girls
This! People seem to always forget about Jordan when they say" Preston knocked Leroy over"
From a alpha male's perspective, it would be difficult to tolerate someone like Coral, who as headstrong as she is, from physical standpoint she is a beta level competitor which dictates for her to follow instead of going off on teammates and opponents as if she can lead, if she was physically alpha like laurel, emily etc. it might have been tolerable for some of the guys.
Okay so to clear things up here Zach is overrated, but he doesnt suck balls. He isn't on like a CT, Bananas or wes level but he definitley doesnt suck. He has proven to be a top physical competitor and has shown some smarts. Also him and trey(who sucks) did pretty well in Rivals 2 apart from getting a technicality in their one elimination that they dominated and then he was given a poor team mate in Jonna for Exes 2, and i've said this before and will say it again Bigger guys competing in higher altitudes will have a more difficult time than smaller guys (I.E. CT in Exes final and Zach in FA) so looking at zach outside of that he's proven to be pretty good.
But Preston still knocked Leroy down, didn't he? If he didn't, he at least caused him to lose his balance.
Like I said, it was mainly the balls that knocked CT and everybody else down. It doesn't show how much of a beast anybody is. Maybe if they didn't have the balls and just ran into each other than maybe.
Dude lost enough rounds to guy who is smaller than him in eliminiation game what is designed for bigger / stronger people. Like you can not deny Hall Bawl is something where he should win easily being biggest dude.
And he lost to guy, who is 1/3 of his size, guy who has 1 hand in game where you have to hold big *** hammer and hit metal. That game was also designed to him. Even if Jordan won by 5 seconds, it is still very embarr***ing. Dude has one hand jfc.
I strongly disagree!
Preston got way to much credit, he came in at the last second after Jordan & Leroy were at a stalemate .
Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
Depending on which elimination it was, Theresa.
What is your hard on for Zach?
Okay lets not make every excuse in the book to justify Zach not living up to his full capabilities. First off, Trey does not suck. He has never shown to suck whatsoever. On Seasons, he didn't DQ and it was not his fault that they came in last, actually it was everyone's fault but his, Robb/Marie came in last on the egg toss which put them in the losers round, Trey beat Chet in the losers round, and Laura lost against Sarah which put them in the Arena. And on Rivals II he 2 two challenges with Zach and did poorly on Frog Smash. So because he did poor on 1 out of 11 challenges he has done, that means he sucks?
Jonna a poor teammate? I realize Jonna is no Laurel or Emily, but Jonna is nowhere near a poor competitor. She in between good and middle of the road. And having a shitty partner is no excuse for doing poorly. If you disagree watch Wes on Fresh Meat and/or Landon on Fresh Meat II. Those were poor partners. Jonna is no slouche. I do not like her whatsoever, but she is not a "poor teammate" by any stretch.
I can level with you on the high altitude part which was a disadvantage for Zach on the Free Agents final and I would agree with you 100% if that is what he was complaining about. If he were saying, "The elevation change is so drastic that I feel like crap" I could see where your coming from, but all he was saying the whole time was "I'm cramping up, I'm gonna die".
I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever.
"I don't think Zach is awful. I think he is one of the better male competitors that we have seen as of late, however, he has not lived up to what people expected of him whatsoever." -----> this is what i'm saying and agree with, although as we can see by this argument it's very difficult to measure somebodies potential. The cramping is the effects i was talking about from high altitudes, your muscles need blood to function which requires oxygen and the bigger your muscles the more oxygen you need for your muscles to function therefore when the air is thinner there is less oxygen. ( I am like 75% sure about this I very well may be wrong)
On another not, Trey is very average/sucks. He is an average physical competitor and on Seasons he proved he is one of the worst political/likeable players like it pains me to watch and listen to his bullshit ego on seasons and even on his RW season.
As I said in another post Let me explain my remarks about Jonna, I do think Jonna is a strong competitor and people underestimate her..But she has flaws that specifically effected her and zach in Exes2 making her a bad patner. Such as, Jonna is not the best swimmer and for some weird reason there were a lot of swimming challenges in Exes2 , also her and Zach are an AWFUL team (which isnt particularly her fault but it was a disadvantage for both her and zach), also she has a boy problem which has come up every season for her since Rivals. Besides that tho I do like her as a competitor and wished she had done better in Free Agents and I want to see her in a final.
Sorry some of my wording may have been poor hopefully this clears things up ?
I love discussing the challange and have so many more opinions I just want to put out there
1) I really dont like Alton (really just on BOTS but it was enough for me to really dislike him)
2) Even tho we have seen too many of them lately i think pairs challenges are just better politics and competition-wise
3) I respect Cara Maria for her physical accomplishments through the show, but I just cant help but scream at the TV every season she shows up and STILL CANT SWIM like you know swimming is a hugggggge part of the challenge (same goes for Leroy but nobody can hate Leroy he's americas favorite garbage man)
4) I think Theresa may be one of the worst politcal players in the show
5) I wish wish wish It could've just been Chet and Sarah in the BOTS final than all of brooklyn like what a better competition that wouldve been. and as much as I hated San diego for being ***** they were pretty athletically impressive in a very difficult final.
idk i just really dislike Trey and rewatching BOTS St. Thomas would have been so much better if they alligned with the rookie alliance from the start and it was trey's choice they didn't and everything he says in that season is just shit and he really gave off such a bullshit arrogance like in the first episode his conversation with wes and then in the later episode ( i cant remeber which one exactly like 2 or 3 ) his conversation with Team San Diego he just sucked politcally making me dislike him even more than in his real world season (which was a boring *** season) where he had a relationship at home where he got a girl pregnant and shouldve probably left the show to be with her but didnt (**** move #1) then continued to hook up and lead on Laura ( **** move #2) then would get mad at Laura when she flirted with other guys (**** move #3). Trey sucks.
in a final where your size and weight can and will affect you. and CT got bea by Diem. you fail to see what i was pointing out. you can't discredit Zach, for the reason why he even made the final. he dominated a majority of the missions on Free Agents.
The Island was their first stab at hijacking Survivor... thank the lord they realized they could be more subtle with what they actually take lol.
okay ill give you Jordan but not CJ. the way y'all speak on how Zach performed against CJ you would have thought he almost lost to JD. and to the bolded how the heck is Zach suppose to get lower than CJ? CJ used physics and used a lower center of gravity against his larger opponent.
CT gassed out because he didn't pace himself and even then he wasn't that far behind her. Diem is one of the better runners in the whole show so it's no suprise she was able to not only keep up with him but have more gas in the tank. Zach getting beat by Laurel and Nany by a huge margin is pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be one of the best guys still doing challenges. Zach has yet to do anything impressive on the challenge in my opinion and for a guy his size and ripped like him that doesn't make sense.
his performance on free agents.
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