I'm not a fan of people playing 3 or 4 times, particularly the latter. Is there anyone you guys wouldn't mind seeing for the 3rd or 4th time? 3rd - Corinne & Rob C 4th - Maneater Manthey
3rd: Corrine, Rob C., Yau-man, Richard, FairPlay, Shii Ann
One thing I don't like about it tho is unlike cagyayan and worlds apart, it does limit casting because what about people who are just dating?
With the other themes you can't be limited because you can fit those no matter what especially for worlds apart.
With Cagayan & Worlds Apart, the theme was decided after the cast was assembled and they realized there was a division. They same thing could have happened here, the Cambodia cast is very likely in the final stages of casting, with the core cast and alternates already being determined. Filming starts this time next month.
Right? The goal of Survivor is to put yourself in a poasition to get the jury votes and win. Playing to make ftc doesn't get you points because the point isn't to make the end, but WIN. Like that's not even arguable, he has one of the worst social games and I hate the excuse that the jury was bitter, uh what? Every jury is bitter because they just lost a million dollars, how bitter they are towards you all comes down to you and how you handle them in the game and FTC. He wasn't even in contention to win Samoa and yeah I pointed out those players to show how making it far doesn't equate to good gameplay.
I that regard everyone who has never been to FTC or lost a FTC is not a good player. Again, Russell may not been one of the best players, but to think that he's one of the worst is imo false and basically just looking at Survivor as:" Only the winner is a good player". That would actually means that Sandra is the best Survivor player ever!! Everybody that was considered a jury threat and got voted out befor the final, played not a good game, because they played way too good for the others so that became a bad game. (which means people like Cirie or Rob C are not good players or Boston Rob in 3/4 of his tries). Russell made enough moves that would qualify him as a good player.
I think Russell was the first person that showed people that there's however different types of bitter jury. One bitter jury that knows that the person who acted and played aggresively knew that they are playing a game (kind of like Tony) or a jury that is just is an anti-xxx jury. Everbody, but XXX. That happened to Russell Hantz. Twice.
No, where did I say only winners are good players? Cirie, Rob C, Fairplay, Malcolm, Brett, Stephen, Ciera, Trish are all good to great players who have not won. Sandra is definitely up there, but I wouldn't have her as my #1. Yeah the jury was bitter towards Tony but still voted for him and know why? He didn't treat people who were voting for the winner like shit, **** the reason Tasha voted against him was because they butted heads and Tony even owns up that he was rude to her. That's people buying the edit, because Tony himself even says he spent a majority of the time socializing and they just showed his strategic aspect. Comparing Tony to Russell is an insult to Tony and his great game.
Whoever doesn't get to the goal line and win, pretty much failed thus didn't played good/ others played better/adapted to a situation better. To me that means only winners are good players or better players than all of his fellow contestants.
In both seasons, it was almost everbody against Russell and his solid small alliance and he still made it to the end. Two times. They could've voted him out on numerious occasions, but he didn't let it happen whether it was him or his alliance doing it for him. Again, I'm definitely not thinking that Russell Hantz is one of the best, but to think that he's one of the worst it's just that you're either don't like his person in general (only a few), are based of the interviews where everybody pretty much bashed Russell after the game and didn't give a neutral opinion on him, because he played them/screwed them to get further or retrospective looking at his game play. To me, you forget that he made some good moves that bad players wouldn't be able to pull off. Especially him finding multiple HII without clues and use them as a tool for you/your alliance to get further. In that regard, he changed the game.
I absolutely hate seasons though where everybody is a returnee, because then Survivor just become even more a popularity contest and it isn't that much about game anymore imo. Alliances are formed preshow and it takes people like Russell/Parvati/Malcolm/Ozzy/Cirie to make the season a bit unpredictable. People can deny it, but I think that's the way it is when most/half the cast is a returnee (you can see that with Sandra and Rupert where you knew how this will end in the jury) and why CBS/Jeff Probst/Mark Burnett are not that much of fans to do a full returnee season.
Well yeah in most cases the bets player won except for maybe Micronesia/Cook Islands, but a majority of the times, the best player won. As I mentioned players like Cirie and Ozzy were screwed by format changes, Fairplay by Lil dominating the FIC, etc. These were things completely out of their hands.
But thing is he was in the majority early on with the Villains (Courney confirms this in an interview) and he got into it with Rob and put himself in the minority with Parv/Danielle and then decided to go looking for an idol when everyone said whoever would, would be ******. ****, he evn tried to play UTR in HvV, but couldn't at all. I don't give credit for people unscrewing their own game. I definitely hate him, but I can still see that he's a top-tier villain, just not a good player/human being. I mean, I guess EVERYBODY has something against him then right? We're gonna believe Russell and the edit instead of ya know 18 other opinions from people who were there and witnessed everything firsthand. Tony outplayed people, they still gave him credit in exit interviews, same with Tyson, and the list goes on and on. Finding idols is probably the only thing he's good at, so kudos.
Well every season is a popularity contest and who is more well liked, but I agree that players like Tom were screwed from the get go. Even then I will give credit that, Sandra, Amber, Parvati, Jerri are some of the people who have done much better a second time around.
Follow him? Lol sounds like you believe the Samoa edit because not everything was a Russell move. People didn't like Marissa as she was overstrategizing, Betsy was seen as a weak link with little social skills, Liz was duped for not being likable. Of course everything seems like Russell called the shots when EVERYTHING SCENE IS ONLY GIVING WHAT RUSSELL THINKS. Like I don't get how people just blindly buy the Samoa edit. They brought Russell back for HvV and decided to screw making Samoa a decent season with a proper edit, but instead let's just make it the Russell show. Not really, in fact a lot of luck and situations where people have no control is frequent in returnees seasons. Even then, 99/100 Russell goes home at f15 and lucked out with the Tyson move. But even so he did so much wrong like looking for the idol, breaking his early, not shown alliance with Rob, putting himself in the minority, booting/making his ally in Danielle at f7 break down IN FRONT OF THE JURY, making false promises, wanting Sandra in f3, like HvV Russell is a textbook way on how NOT to play. Yeah just about everyone who has lost the game has done something wrong except for a case of Fairplay, Cirie, or Ozzy where format changes or an unlikely person winning immunity screws them. Yeah they would have which is just a testament to how bad they played, thanks for proving my point that Russell sucks at survivor even more (really though by merge he had no shot to win the game while Parv could have won in a Parv/Danielle/Russell f3). And like I said just goes to show how awful Russell is, but I do think you're underestimating how much Natalie was liked. Apparently her unaired answer to Laura M moved the jury to tears (listing info about their family, complimenting them, showing how much she really got to know them). Better as in placement? Yes, better as a player? Absolutely not. There are an overwhelming amount of players better.
Kicking knowledge as if I don't already know anything that you've said, lol. But I'll just drop it.
Your hate for Russell is comparable to the people who hate Kanye West. It's laughable.
Kinda hard not to hate that piece of garbage when he ruined Survivor and is a pretty awful person/player, but I can still hate someone and credit them as a good player. See Brian Hedik, Russell just isn't at all and the fact that this still needs to be said more than 5 years after Samoa is just sad.
Follow him? Lol sounds like you believe the Samoa edit because not everything was a Russell move. People didn't like Marissa as she was overstrategizing, Betsy was seen as a weak link with little social skills, Liz was duped for not being likable. Of course everything seems like Russell called the shots when EVERYTHING SCENE IS ONLY GIVING WHAT RUSSELL THINKS. Like I don't get how people just blindly buy the Samoa edit. They brought Russell back for HvV and decided to screw making Samoa a decent season with a proper edit, but instead let's just make it the Russell show. Not really, in fact a lot of luck and situations where people have no control is frequent in returnees seasons. Even then, 99/100 Russell goes home at f15 and lucked out with the Tyson move. But even so he did so much wrong like looking for the idol, breaking his early, not shown alliance with Rob, putting himself in the minority, booting/making his ally in Danielle at f7 break down IN FRONT OF THE JURY, making false promises, wanting Sandra in f3, like HvV Russell is a textbook way on how NOT to play. Yeah just about everyone who has lost the game has done something wrong except for a case of Fairplay, Cirie, or Ozzy where format changes or an unlikely person winning immunity screws them. Yeah they would have which is just a testament to how bad they played, thanks for proving my point that Russell sucks at survivor even more (really though by merge he had no shot to win the game while Parv could have won in a Parv/Danielle/Russell f3). And like I said just goes to show how awful Russell is, but I do think you're underestimating how much Natalie was liked. Apparently her unaired answer to Laura M moved the jury to tears (listing info about their family, complimenting them, showing how much she really got to know them). Better as in placement? Yes, better as a player? Absolutely not. There are an overwhelming amount of players better.
Kicking knowledge as if I don't already know anything that you've said, lol. But I'll just drop it.
Your hate for Russell is comparable to the people who hate Kanye West. It's laughable.
Kinda hard not to hate that piece of garbage when he ruined Survivor and is a pretty awful person/player, but I can still hate someone and credit them as a good player. See Brian Hedik, Russell just isn't at all and the fact that this still needs to be said more than 5 years after Samoa is just sad.
"ruined Survivor" - I wonder what you mean by this
"pretty awful person/player" - Russell doesn't come off in real life the way he does on Survivor, so.... I'd have to disagree.
"hates Brian and gives him credit" so that justifies giving Russell minimal credit. - Only in your mind and anyone who validates your confirmation bias.
And I'm curious as to who you thought the "best player" was on Cook Islands. Because that was a close match-up. And ultimately Ozzy would have won if Adam didn't honor his promise.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
So I guess I'll address this step by step:
1. All Stars set the precedence for a bitter jury. Mind you, Amber deserved the win as every winner does BUT that was the first showcase of a jury being deliberately bitter about being outplayed (even though lowkey Rob totally disrespected Lex). But none the less, this is Season 8, not 19.
2. I agree and disagree with the edit point. Some seasons with lackluster casts on paper shined pre-Samoa due to the edit (ie. Gabon, Vanuata [boo], etc., but I also think it's inevitable that some people will not be good at Survivor and it's not worth the viewers time to ever see them.
3. Perhaps because I've met him? But of course, I don't live with him or care about his life at all. Morality is subjective. And none of what you mentioned infringes on anyone else's rights. But I'll give you Shannon. He's a ****** and I'm unsure why he gave Russell spoilers for Nicaragua which was an awful season anyways.
4. I'll never concede that Russell has "no social game" because that's just silly. He's just as disposable as anyone else there, there must be an incentive to keep him around.
5. The Ozzy not winning thing is a cop-out. It does take luck to win Survivor, and unlike Micronesia and Nicaragua, there weren't any exorbitant effects on the game due to format changes.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
So I guess I'll address this step by step: 1. All Stars set the precedence for a bitter jury. Mind you, Amber deserved the win as every winner does BUT that was the first showcase of a jury being deliberately bitter about being outplayed (even though lowkey Rob totally disrespected Lex). But none the less, this is Season 8, not 19. 2. I agree and disagree with the edit point. Some seasons with lackluster casts on paper shined pre-Samoa due to the edit (ie. Gabon, Vanuata [boo], etc., but I also think it's inevitable that some people will not be good at Survivor and it's not worth the viewers time to ever see them. 3. Perhaps because I've met him? But of course, I don't live with him or care about his life at all. Morality is subjective. And none of what you mentioned infringes on anyone else's rights. But I'll give you Shannon. He's a ****** and I'm unsure why he gave Russell spoilers for Nicaragua which was an awful season anyways. 4. I'll never concede that Russell has "no social game" because that's just silly. He's just as disposable as anyone else there, there must be an incentive to keep him around. 5. The Ozzy not winning thing is a cop-out. It does take luck to win Survivor, and unlike Micronesia and Nicaragua, there weren't any exorbitant effects on the game due to format changes.
Of course All Stars saw the bitter jury and was the origins for it, but after Samoa, we literally got so much press/blogs, etc. about how Natalie didn't deserve her win, how the game is wrong, etc. **** even in earlier posts here users were saying the game is flawed with Sandra/Natalie winning back to back.
Idk, I personally thought Gabon had a phoenimal cast and found Vanutau to be a beautifully slow-burn season and a majortiy of the great characters made it far (the last 3-5 episodes are some of the best imo). That's of course true, but to just make the seasona round one person, to the point where going by the edit, we are supposed to think that the Samoa cast was a dud and nobody was interesting thus, their edit?
I mean, would he necessarily be a ****** to a stranger? That'd be strange and yeah pretty much everything I listed makes hima horrific human being.
It's the truth, I mean why not keep around this deluisonal little troll who will be oblierated at ftc and who THINKS he's in control?
Wait, what? How is it a cop-out when Ozzy was rightfully preparing for a f2 like any other castaway at that point would and they decide to do a f3? Yul is a decent player, but he was given vast amount of luck. Luck is a part of the game, but when you see amounts of luck like the amount Parvati (Micro) and Yul got, it makes their win much less valid.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
So I guess I'll address this step by step: 1. All Stars set the precedence for a bitter jury. Mind you, Amber deserved the win as every winner does BUT that was the first showcase of a jury being deliberately bitter about being outplayed (even though lowkey Rob totally disrespected Lex). But none the less, this is Season 8, not 19. 2. I agree and disagree with the edit point. Some seasons with lackluster casts on paper shined pre-Samoa due to the edit (ie. Gabon, Vanuata [boo], etc., but I also think it's inevitable that some people will not be good at Survivor and it's not worth the viewers time to ever see them. 3. Perhaps because I've met him? But of course, I don't live with him or care about his life at all. Morality is subjective. And none of what you mentioned infringes on anyone else's rights. But I'll give you Shannon. He's a ****** and I'm unsure why he gave Russell spoilers for Nicaragua which was an awful season anyways. 4. I'll never concede that Russell has "no social game" because that's just silly. He's just as disposable as anyone else there, there must be an incentive to keep him around. 5. The Ozzy not winning thing is a cop-out. It does take luck to win Survivor, and unlike Micronesia and Nicaragua, there weren't any exorbitant effects on the game due to format changes.
Of course All Stars saw the bitter jury and was the origins for it, but after Samoa, we literally got so much press/blogs, etc. about how Natalie didn't deserve her win, how the game is wrong, etc. **** even in earlier posts here users were saying the game is flawed with Sandra/Natalie winning back to back.
Idk, I personally thought Gabon had a phoenimal cast and found Vanutau to be a beautifully slow-burn season and a majortiy of the great characters made it far (the last 3-5 episodes are some of the best imo). That's of course true, but to just make the seasona round one person, to the point where going by the edit, we are supposed to think that the Samoa cast was a dud and nobody was interesting thus, their edit?
I mean, would he necessarily be a ****** to a stranger? That'd be strange and yeah pretty much everything I listed makes hima horrific human being.
It's the truth, I mean why not keep around this deluisonal little troll who will be oblierated at ftc and who THINKS he's in control?
Wait, what? How is it a cop-out when Ozzy was rightfully preparing for a f2 like any other castaway at that point would and they decide to do a f3? Yul is a decent player, but he was given vast amount of luck. Luck is a part of the game, but when you see amounts of luck like the amount Parvati (Micro) and Yul got, it makes their win much less valid.
Fair enough. I'll leave the Russell thing alone simply because we have different opinions of him and that effects how much merit we give (or don't give) to him.
Is Tony's win less valid because production (well this isn't confirmed and I never saw anything about it, but it sure as **** wasn't shown on TV) deliberately didn't say that it was the last time to use the Hidden immunity idol at 5, when that is the complete norm?
Is Tom's win less valid because Ian's brain ceased to function?
Not to say the outcomes would have been different, but some things did increase their odds tremendously. Very lucky from their perspective.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
So I guess I'll address this step by step: 1. All Stars set the precedence for a bitter jury. Mind you, Amber deserved the win as every winner does BUT that was the first showcase of a jury being deliberately bitter about being outplayed (even though lowkey Rob totally disrespected Lex). But none the less, this is Season 8, not 19. 2. I agree and disagree with the edit point. Some seasons with lackluster casts on paper shined pre-Samoa due to the edit (ie. Gabon, Vanuata [boo], etc., but I also think it's inevitable that some people will not be good at Survivor and it's not worth the viewers time to ever see them. 3. Perhaps because I've met him? But of course, I don't live with him or care about his life at all. Morality is subjective. And none of what you mentioned infringes on anyone else's rights. But I'll give you Shannon. He's a ****** and I'm unsure why he gave Russell spoilers for Nicaragua which was an awful season anyways. 4. I'll never concede that Russell has "no social game" because that's just silly. He's just as disposable as anyone else there, there must be an incentive to keep him around. 5. The Ozzy not winning thing is a cop-out. It does take luck to win Survivor, and unlike Micronesia and Nicaragua, there weren't any exorbitant effects on the game due to format changes.
Of course All Stars saw the bitter jury and was the origins for it, but after Samoa, we literally got so much press/blogs, etc. about how Natalie didn't deserve her win, how the game is wrong, etc. **** even in earlier posts here users were saying the game is flawed with Sandra/Natalie winning back to back.
Idk, I personally thought Gabon had a phoenimal cast and found Vanutau to be a beautifully slow-burn season and a majortiy of the great characters made it far (the last 3-5 episodes are some of the best imo). That's of course true, but to just make the seasona round one person, to the point where going by the edit, we are supposed to think that the Samoa cast was a dud and nobody was interesting thus, their edit?
I mean, would he necessarily be a ****** to a stranger? That'd be strange and yeah pretty much everything I listed makes hima horrific human being.
It's the truth, I mean why not keep around this deluisonal little troll who will be oblierated at ftc and who THINKS he's in control?
Wait, what? How is it a cop-out when Ozzy was rightfully preparing for a f2 like any other castaway at that point would and they decide to do a f3? Yul is a decent player, but he was given vast amount of luck. Luck is a part of the game, but when you see amounts of luck like the amount Parvati (Micro) and Yul got, it makes their win much less valid.
Sandra shouldn't have won IMO she does nothing but not step on people's toes, name one person she decided to get rid of.
Parvati should have won, not Russell and especially not Sandra.
Tony did receieve some help in the form of the god idol, but even then he didn't get as much luck/production help as Yul did and even used it in a complex way. The Tom arguement is a strange one because Ian completely knew what he was doing (brain was definitely functioning) and Tom was also aware of the type of person Ian was and manipulated it. Luck is a part of the game, but as I said when you receieve an overwhelming amount of luck like the other two I mentioned did, your win loses credibility.
Tony did receieve some help in the form of the god idol, but even then he didn't get as much luck/production help as Yul did and even used it in a complex way. The Tom arguement is a strange one because Ian completely knew what he was doing (brain was definitely functioning) and Tom was also aware of the type of person Ian was and manipulated it. Luck is a part of the game, but as I said when you receieve an overwhelming amount of luck like the other two I mentioned did, your win loses credibility.
Tony would have been out, had they known. And it's different from Russell's situation because production is the one who assisted and not an idiotic mistake from another cast member. Spencer agrees with me.
The Tom thing was more sarcasm than anything, though I don't see how he gets credit for the Ian thing. Tom would've most likely won anyway because of his domination of the season.
Tony did receieve some help in the form of the god idol, but even then he didn't get as much luck/production help as Yul did and even used it in a complex way. The Tom arguement is a strange one because Ian completely knew what he was doing (brain was definitely functioning) and Tom was also aware of the type of person Ian was and manipulated it. Luck is a part of the game, but as I said when you receieve an overwhelming amount of luck like the other two I mentioned did, your win loses credibility.
Tony would have been out, had they known. And it's different from Russell's situation because production is the one who assisted and not an idiotic mistake from another cast member. Spencer agrees with me. The Tom thing was more sarcasm than anything, though I don't see how he gets credit for the Ian thing. Tom would've most likely won anyway because of his domination of the season.
But they didn't because Tony manipulated it perfectly. Even then, Tony likely still isn't out since he ahd Trish/Woo 100% and there was no way those girls were coming together. Cool that Spencer agrees I guess?
Because he certainly played his role there and I don't know about that. Tom was often in trouble in the endgame and if Jenn wins the fire challenge, Tom's in even worse trouble. Still a fantastic winner though
So the pregame story about JTia that went around was apparently in Ponderosa pregame, it was very hot and whnever JTia entered a room, she would point all the fans towards herself (after theyw ere positioned to everyone else). Since you can't say a thing pregame to anyone, Tony/Alexis just positioned the fans abck towards everyone and this process went on constantly. I just love the mental image of the Cagayan cast fighting over a fan before they even knew each other.
I was busy all day yesterday and didn't get everything lined up for today.
I can see that you're busy because the last days looks like it was a little unorganised...
Teams shuffeled, two people quit and now another "drop your buff" moment...
I can see that you're busy because the last days looks like it was a little unorganised...
Teams shuffeled, two people quit and now another "drop your buff" moment...
Well the final 16 tribe dissolve was planned from the start, as was the immunity challenge that immediately follows.
It's more so personal matters (nothing of concern, just time-consuming) that were unforeseen. This upcoming week should be much better for the game.
I can see that you're busy because the last days looks like it was a little unorganised... Teams shuffeled, two people quit and now another "drop your buff" moment...
Well the final 16 tribe dissolve was planned from the start, as was the immunity challenge that immediately follows. It's more so personal matters (nothing of concern, just time-consuming) that were unforeseen. This upcoming week should be much better for the game.
I think the game has been really good right now in terms of drama and competition, just needs some blindside in the near future
Survivor: Cambodia cast will be en route to their destination today.
Is that rumored to be dating theme? Like singles vs married vs divorce ?
That was the rumor, but I believe it has since been debunked. It's 3 tribes though.
Really? Man they must love doing the 3 tribe thing.
Can't remember exactly what the reason was, but Jeff explained in his reddit AMA from way back when why they prefer 18 person cast as opposed to 20. And subsequently, having three tribes of 6 allows for a balanced male/female split in the tribes unlike if it were 2 tribes of 9.
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Is that rumored to be dating theme? Like singles vs married vs divorce ?
That was the rumor, but I believe it has since been debunked. It's 3 tribes though.
Really? Man they must love doing the 3 tribe thing.
Can't remember exactly what the reason was, but Jeff explained in his reddit AMA from way back when why they prefer 18 person cast as opposed to 20. And subsequently, having three tribes of 6 allows for a balanced male/female split in the tribes unlike if it were 2 tribes of 9.
I think it was because it stops huge alliances from forming early on and controlling the game.
Redmond said that he wasn't that sure anymore about the theme being anything having to do with relationships/dating.
3rd: Corrine, Rob C., Yau-man, Richard, FairPlay, Shii Ann
4th: Stephenie LaGrossa
That is true, I forgot about that lol.
Well yeah in most cases the bets player won except for maybe Micronesia/Cook Islands, but a majority of the times, the best player won. As I mentioned players like Cirie and Ozzy were screwed by format changes, Fairplay by Lil dominating the FIC, etc. These were things completely out of their hands.
But thing is he was in the majority early on with the Villains (Courney confirms this in an interview) and he got into it with Rob and put himself in the minority with Parv/Danielle and then decided to go looking for an idol when everyone said whoever would, would be ******. ****, he evn tried to play UTR in HvV, but couldn't at all. I don't give credit for people unscrewing their own game. I definitely hate him, but I can still see that he's a top-tier villain, just not a good player/human being. I mean, I guess EVERYBODY has something against him then right? We're gonna believe Russell and the edit instead of ya know 18 other opinions from people who were there and witnessed everything firsthand. Tony outplayed people, they still gave him credit in exit interviews, same with Tyson, and the list goes on and on. Finding idols is probably the only thing he's good at, so kudos.
Well every season is a popularity contest and who is more well liked, but I agree that players like Tom were screwed from the get go. Even then I will give credit that, Sandra, Amber, Parvati, Jerri are some of the people who have done much better a second time around.
Kinda hard not to hate that piece of garbage when he ruined Survivor and is a pretty awful person/player, but I can still hate someone and credit them as a good player. See Brian Hedik, Russell just isn't at all and the fact that this still needs to be said more than 5 years after Samoa is just sad.
"ruined Survivor" - I wonder what you mean by this
"pretty awful person/player" - Russell doesn't come off in real life the way he does on Survivor, so.... I'd have to disagree.
"hates Brian and gives him credit" so that justifies giving Russell minimal credit. - Only in your mind and anyone who validates your confirmation bias.
And I'm curious as to who you thought the "best player" was on Cook Islands. Because that was a close match-up. And ultimately Ozzy would have won if Adam didn't honor his promise.
Russell ruined Survivor because of him, we get the "jury was bitter, xyz was robbed, abc doesn't desevre to win!!!!". We also saw a shift from getting to know and enjoying the castaways and the entire cast to a shift in invisible edits for more of the cast. Samoa could have been a great season, evil Laura M taken out at f10 by Shambo flipping, Brett as our fallen beloved hero at f4, Dave as this whacky, strange as **** guy, Moicna as this spunky, charismatic female, Natalie as this sweet southern belle who beat the biggest ****** ever at ftc. But we don't see get anything like this, because they sacrifice Samoa being a good season to just hype Russell up and hype HvV up even more.
I'm cruious how you think Russell doesn't come off this way irl? He claimed Brandon sucked **** at a CHARITY event, cheated on his wife multiple times, still bashes Sandra like 5 years later and claims he was robbed, constantly argues with fans, and the fact that some of his few friends from these shows are ******* Shannon who he didn't even do the show with.
Yeah because Brian is GOOD at survivor and Russell is not. Russell has no social game and he could play survivor a million times and never win.
Defintiely Ozzy because he was playing for a f2 and before this, no season had a f3 and he also didn't need countless twists to help him as Yul did. Not saying Yul is a bad player at all, but his win has so many asteriks against it.
So I guess I'll address this step by step:
1. All Stars set the precedence for a bitter jury. Mind you, Amber deserved the win as every winner does BUT that was the first showcase of a jury being deliberately bitter about being outplayed (even though lowkey Rob totally disrespected Lex). But none the less, this is Season 8, not 19.
2. I agree and disagree with the edit point. Some seasons with lackluster casts on paper shined pre-Samoa due to the edit (ie. Gabon, Vanuata [boo], etc., but I also think it's inevitable that some people will not be good at Survivor and it's not worth the viewers time to ever see them.
3. Perhaps because I've met him? But of course, I don't live with him or care about his life at all. Morality is subjective. And none of what you mentioned infringes on anyone else's rights. But I'll give you Shannon. He's a ****** and I'm unsure why he gave Russell spoilers for Nicaragua which was an awful season anyways.
4. I'll never concede that Russell has "no social game" because that's just silly. He's just as disposable as anyone else there, there must be an incentive to keep him around.
5. The Ozzy not winning thing is a cop-out. It does take luck to win Survivor, and unlike Micronesia and Nicaragua, there weren't any exorbitant effects on the game due to format changes.
Of course All Stars saw the bitter jury and was the origins for it, but after Samoa, we literally got so much press/blogs, etc. about how Natalie didn't deserve her win, how the game is wrong, etc. **** even in earlier posts here users were saying the game is flawed with Sandra/Natalie winning back to back.
Idk, I personally thought Gabon had a phoenimal cast and found Vanutau to be a beautifully slow-burn season and a majortiy of the great characters made it far (the last 3-5 episodes are some of the best imo). That's of course true, but to just make the seasona round one person, to the point where going by the edit, we are supposed to think that the Samoa cast was a dud and nobody was interesting thus, their edit?
I mean, would he necessarily be a ****** to a stranger? That'd be strange and yeah pretty much everything I listed makes hima horrific human being.
It's the truth, I mean why not keep around this deluisonal little troll who will be oblierated at ftc and who THINKS he's in control?
Wait, what? How is it a cop-out when Ozzy was rightfully preparing for a f2 like any other castaway at that point would and they decide to do a f3? Yul is a decent player, but he was given vast amount of luck. Luck is a part of the game, but when you see amounts of luck like the amount Parvati (Micro) and Yul got, it makes their win much less valid.
Fair enough. I'll leave the Russell thing alone simply because we have different opinions of him and that effects how much merit we give (or don't give) to him.
Is Tony's win less valid because production (well this isn't confirmed and I never saw anything about it, but it sure as **** wasn't shown on TV) deliberately didn't say that it was the last time to use the Hidden immunity idol at 5, when that is the complete norm?
Is Tom's win less valid because Ian's brain ceased to function?
Not to say the outcomes would have been different, but some things did increase their odds tremendously. Very lucky from their perspective.
Sandra shouldn't have won IMO she does nothing but not step on people's toes, name one person she decided to get rid of.
Parvati should have won, not Russell and especially not Sandra.
Tony did receieve some help in the form of the god idol, but even then he didn't get as much luck/production help as Yul did and even used it in a complex way. The Tom arguement is a strange one because Ian completely knew what he was doing (brain was definitely functioning) and Tom was also aware of the type of person Ian was and manipulated it. Luck is a part of the game, but as I said when you receieve an overwhelming amount of luck like the other two I mentioned did, your win loses credibility.
Tony would have been out, had they known. And it's different from Russell's situation because production is the one who assisted and not an idiotic mistake from another cast member. Spencer agrees with me.
The Tom thing was more sarcasm than anything, though I don't see how he gets credit for the Ian thing. Tom would've most likely won anyway because of his domination of the season.
But they didn't because Tony manipulated it perfectly. Even then, Tony likely still isn't out since he ahd Trish/Woo 100% and there was no way those girls were coming together. Cool that Spencer agrees I guess?
Because he certainly played his role there and I don't know about that. Tom was often in trouble in the endgame and if Jenn wins the fire challenge, Tom's in even worse trouble. Still a fantastic winner though
So the pregame story about JTia that went around was apparently in Ponderosa pregame, it was very hot and whnever JTia entered a room, she would point all the fans towards herself (after theyw ere positioned to everyone else). Since you can't say a thing pregame to anyone, Tony/Alexis just positioned the fans abck towards everyone and this process went on constantly. I just love the mental image of the Cagayan cast fighting over a fan before they even knew each other.
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Is that rumored to be dating theme? Like singles vs married vs divorce ?
That was the rumor, but I believe it has since been debunked.
It's 3 tribes though.
post dem SurVevmo tribes tho.
People can go to Sucks if they want info.
SurVevmo is on indefinite hiatus.
What? What are the reasons for that?
Any word on the new theme?
It's not ****.
I was busy all day yesterday and didn't get everything lined up for today.
I don't think so.
I can see that you're busy because the last days looks like it was a little unorganised...
Teams shuffeled, two people quit and now another "drop your buff" moment...
Well the final 16 tribe dissolve was planned from the start, as was the immunity challenge that immediately follows.
It's more so personal matters (nothing of concern, just time-consuming) that were unforeseen. This upcoming week should be much better for the game.
I think the game has been really good right now in terms of drama and competition, just needs some blindside in the near future
Really? Man they must love doing the 3 tribe thing.
Can't remember exactly what the reason was, but Jeff explained in his reddit AMA from way back when why they prefer 18 person cast as opposed to 20. And subsequently, having three tribes of 6 allows for a balanced male/female split in the tribes unlike if it were 2 tribes of 9.
I think it was because it stops huge alliances from forming early on and controlling the game.
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